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Thursday, June 25, 2020

Blue Jays, MLB ask Canadian government for permission to play in Toronto

“The resumption of activities in Canada must be undertaken in adherence to Canada’s plan to mitigate the importation and spread of COVID-19,” Canada Public Health Agency spokeswoman Anna Maddison told Rob Gillies of The Associated Press. “The Public Health Agency of Canada has received, and is currently assessing, a restart plan from Major League Baseball.”

Maddison added that the province of Ontario’s health authorities must also approve the restart plan, according to Gillies.

The MLB players’ association informed agents that the team expects a response in the next day or two, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports.

If allowed to play in Canada, the Blue Jays will then request to move their spring training from Dunedin, Florida, to the Rogers Centre, according to Rosenthal.

Should the request not be approved, the Blue Jays are planning to stage camp at their Dunedin complex, with Buffalo’s Sahlen Field, home of the Triple-A Bisons, as an alternative location, according to Rosenthal.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 25, 2020 at 04:56 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. winnipegwhip Posted: June 25, 2020 at 09:03 PM (#5959553)
If it is not safe for students to cross the borders for school in the fall then it sure the hell shouldn't be safe for athletes now.

Students should be able to cross and they would have to self quarantine when they come home.
   2. never forget: the pee tape is 57i66135 Posted: June 25, 2020 at 11:16 PM (#5959570)
this is a horrible idea.

clearly the raptors should permanently relocate to san juan.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: June 26, 2020 at 03:51 AM (#5959584)
#1 Cross in which direction? Restrictions are on incoming passengers to keep infesctious people out or make them quarantine. If you can get a flight (or whatever) to wherever you want to go (and they will give you a visa), a country may warn its residents not to go there but I'm not aware of any that prevent you from leaving. Anyway, yes, the Jays obviously won't be quarantining every time they return.

Anyway, this does seem a terrible idea. It would be one thing to let the Jays come in once and then stay there but of course that doesn't work here. So it's the Jays crossing back and forth 5 times and up to 6 other teams that have to cross in and out a total of 10 times. I suppose you could push the Jays into playing 2 15 game homestands (or 2 12 and a 6) but you've still got opponents coming over and spreading whatever they might have.

For the NRL season, the NZ Warriors came over and holed up somewhere in NSW for the season. However the Qld teams were given permission to cross despite the Qld border being closed (still scheduled to open July 10). Qld are also allowing 2,000 fans.

But speaking of students, I'm sure Aus unis would be very happy to have somebody paying international fees (still generally cheap by US standards) and we barely have any covid. The gummint is figuring out a schedule for the return of international students as we speak -- so, y'know, safe as it gets, sun, surf, avoid Canberra and c'mon over.
   4. Ron J Posted: June 26, 2020 at 08:35 AM (#5959590)
The only thing that makes this possible is that MLB will be doing lots of testing.

The Premier of Ontario has made it clear he wants the US/Canada border to stay closed to non-essential traffic. "[...] You see what’s happening down in the states; you look at Florida, you look at Texas, Arizona, California. I don’t want to be those states. I want to protect the people here in Ontario.”

On the other hand Justin Trudeau has been receptive to the idea of allowing NHL hubs to operate in Canada. So I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the Jays getting approval.
   5. Paul d mobile Posted: June 26, 2020 at 09:08 AM (#5959593)
Isn't the point of the NHL hub that half of the teams would finish the season and playoffs there though? So you're not flying back and forth from Edmonton to wherever on a regular basis?
   6. PreservedFish Posted: June 26, 2020 at 09:52 AM (#5959597)
If they're not selling tickets, what's the upside for allowing it?
   7. Ron J Posted: June 26, 2020 at 10:08 AM (#5959600)
#6 In terms of the NHL hub, it's the money from the players. Occupancy in high end hotels and all that goes along with it. Edmonton just finished a bunch of new stuff related to this and would like to get some value for the investment.
   8. winnipegwhip Posted: June 26, 2020 at 11:08 AM (#5959619)
To follow up - this is from my perspective - and it is shared by many other families in the same boat I am sure. I have two kids who are student-athletes. (One who intends to return to school for ball, the other going down for his first season). They would be going for several months at a time and would understandably self quarantine if they returned to Canada if that is required at Christmas. I fail to see the risk of students out of the country for a length of time and willing to self quarantine upon return being a greater risk than pro athletes crossing the border repeatedly.

Of course events in October or November may require pulling the plug on school (or a pro season) and than we will have to pull the kids home. It would be a repeat of what we did in March with my daughter. She was heading home when the season was cancelled. It made the difficult decision we had made 24 hours before the right one. She completed her term online.
   9. Ron J Posted: June 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM (#5959627)
#8 I see the issue from your point of view as a responsible person.

And I see the issue in assuming everybody's responsible. The recent issues in New Zealand that flowed from the assumption that people would do the right thing. And there's an ongoing situation in Manitoba right now where somebody refused to self-isolate after returning from abroad.

All that to say that I wouldn't be surprised to see a system that requires high level sign-offs to any exceptions to the default rules.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: June 26, 2020 at 08:27 PM (#5959774)
#8 ... I'm still not getting what your situation is. Your kids aren't allowed to leave Canada? Your kids would be put in mandatory quarantine upon return? Or their schools in the US aren't open for athletics?

The recent issues in New Zealand that flowed from the assumption that people would do the right thing.

To be clear, the recent issues in NZ were embarrassing but fortunately not dangerous. Two overseas arrivals were let out of quarantine early for compassionate reasons (dying parent) but somehow the folks running the quarantine f'd up and had never tested them and they later turned up positive. Those folks did then act irresponsibly. They interacted with some folks but those folks have been tested and, as far as I know, none of them were infected. NZ hasn't had a case of local transmission in a couple of months I believe.

That hasn't kept folks from over-reacting of course. They had a record number of tests the other day with people lining up.
   11. Ron J Posted: June 26, 2020 at 10:07 PM (#5959781)
#10 Another group of people were let out of quarantine early on compassionate grounds (to attend a funeral) and they decided to go to a birthday party.

Which basically was the last straw in terms of trusting people to behave responsibly.
   12. winnipegwhip Posted: June 26, 2020 at 11:08 PM (#5959792)
What I would like to know is a stated government policy to address the beginning of the school year. There are many schools which are planning to open. Thousands of Canadians head to the states for school (and not just for sports but also for academic reasons). Nobody has considered this or stated that they are looking into this matter. There are are also students who come to Canada and like US schools charge pay a premium in tuition rates which helps schools bottom line.

My son's teammate is supposed to go to school and the school has a plan to quarantine the kid for 14 days upon arrival. They are taking things into consideration. If my kids are allowed into Minnesota we understand the risks involved. If events change like they rapidly did in the spring they make the six hour drive home and sit in the house for 14 days like my daughter did in March.

In summation I feel if the situation is critical I don't care about professional athletes getting preferential treatment while regular joes have to take extra precautions.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 28, 2020 at 04:33 PM (#5960030)
@ShiDavidi
#BlueJays players have been told to travel to Toronto. There’s a charter scheduled to leave from Dunedin on Wednesday. No comment from team at this point.

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