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Thursday, November 17, 2011

Bobby Valentine Emerges as Candidate for Red Sox’ Managerial Job

According to multiple reports, former Mets manager Bobby Valentine is now in the running for the open Red Sox job.

Fox Sports’ Ken Rosenthal, who first reported the news with Jon Paul Morosi, indicated that Valentine has already met with one member of the Red Sox ownership group, and he’s expected to meet with the others at some point.

The news seemed to come out of nowhere, especially given its proximity to the news that Sveum was headed to Chicago. However, the Boston Herald’s Michael Silverman reported on Thursday afternoon that the interest in Valentine isn’t exactly new.

“Valentine one was one of the first candidates [Boston general manager] Ben Cherington met with, early in the process,” Silverman tweeted. “[Larry] Lucchino has also already met w him.”

Thanks to Poole.

Repoz Posted: November 17, 2011 at 10:51 PM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Fat Al Posted: November 17, 2011 at 10:59 PM (#3996104)
This should be fun.
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:00 PM (#3996107)
who's making the popcorn?
   3. Davo Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:01 PM (#3996108)
If this comes true, BBTF will explode.
   4. Rafael Bellylard: The Grinch of Orlando. Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:13 PM (#3996116)
Pffft. Bobby Valentine is a candidate for any manager's job that comes up. I swear I saw him at the local Winn-Dixie.
   5. Gamingboy Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3996118)
Please, make this happen. This would be so awesome, just like 1 through 3 say.
   6. Hugh Jorgan Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:27 PM (#3996126)
At least we know the answer to the eternal question of...

What else could possibly go wrong?
   7. Due to the leadership of Zonk... Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:34 PM (#3996128)
Fun
   8. KJOK Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:52 PM (#3996132)
Does this indicate that Lucchino is the one making the decision? Seems more like someone he would hire than someone Cherington would be interested in?
   9. Lassus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3996147)
How do the more vocal Red Sox primates feel? Darren? MCoA? SoSHially? That guy from Australia who always seems a bad orange away from a stroke? (Yes, I know your name, Phil.)

As a non-member of the Nation, I think that baseball needs Valentine and I even think he'd be a good manager, but... I was hoping for like the Royals or something a little less... visible.
   10. Gotham Dave Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3996153)
As a Yankee fan, I would LOVE Bobby Valentine to be the manager of the Red Sox. Not that I think he's a terrible manager (though some may disagree) but I just think he would be a delightful adversary. I wouldn't quite say I love to hate him, but I like to be irritated by him.
   11. Dale H. Posted: November 18, 2011 at 01:01 AM (#3996178)
Pffft. Bobby Valentine is a candidate for any manager's job that comes up. I swear I saw him at the local Winn-Dixie.
When questioned, he said "Bobby Valentine, who's that? Oh yeah, that's me bay-bee!"
   12. Gamingboy Posted: November 18, 2011 at 01:12 AM (#3996180)
The idea of Buck Showalter and Bobby Valentine matching wits appeals to me nearly as much as the idea of having a "delightful adversary" appeals to Gotham Dave.
   13. Phil Coorey. Posted: November 18, 2011 at 02:08 AM (#3996201)
That guy from Australia who always seems a bad orange away from a stroke? (Yes, I know your name, Phil.)


Hi Lassus - that made me laugh heaps - even though it's true...

My opinion - I'll believe it when he signs the dotted line - I just can't see it happening. I'm glad we didn't get Sveum either.
   14. Darren Posted: November 18, 2011 at 02:12 AM (#3996203)
I think this is fantastic. The fact is, the Red Sox gain nothing PR-wise by this. In fact, it probably hurts in that department because people think he's a nut. But he's been a very good manager and has a quite unique resume. He's also a powerful/name manager. So I'm glad they are willing to risk the PR hit and willing to consider a non-yes man. Even if he's not the one who gets the job, it speaks well of the process.
   15. ray james Posted: November 18, 2011 at 02:28 AM (#3996211)
I think he will actually work out OK, at least in the shortterm. The Sox don't need a player's manager. They need someone to whip them into shape and restore order.
   16. just plain joe Posted: November 18, 2011 at 03:37 AM (#3996224)
I think its a great idea if it gets him off of Sunday Night Baseball.
   17. El Tigre Astride A Space Camel Posted: November 18, 2011 at 03:40 AM (#3996225)
I think he will actually work out OK, at least in the shortterm. The Sox don't need a player's manager. They need someone to whip them into shape and restore order.

They need early-90s Piniella. Get to work on the time machine. I want to see somebody wrestle Youkilis to the ground.
   18. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: November 18, 2011 at 03:41 AM (#3996226)
I don't like it. I am uncomfortable with how it is playing out (feels like Cherington is being cut off at the knees here) and I think he's too far from Francona. I don't get the sense he's a disciplinarian but more a Showalter like egomaniac.

On the flip side as I told a friend tonight it's probably worth remembering that Francona was allegedly hired primarily to keep Schilling happy and tha worked out well.
   19. Darren Posted: November 18, 2011 at 03:53 AM (#3996229)
and I think he's too far from Francona.


No such thing.
   20. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 18, 2011 at 03:59 AM (#3996234)
I think this is fantastic. The fact is, the Red Sox gain nothing PR-wise by this. In fact, it probably hurts in that department because people think he's a nut. But he's been a very good manager and has a quite unique resume. He's also a powerful/name manager. So I'm glad they are willing to risk the PR hit and willing to consider a non-yes man. Even if he's not the one who gets the job, it speaks well of the process.
I'm mostly on the same page as Darren. One thing that I've found a little disappointing about the Epstein era Red Sox has been the need for a company man in the manager's chair, the need for a manager who's there mostly to carry out the directives of his bosses. That's going to prevent you from ever having a truly great manager, because no truly great manager will accept that level of authority. Being open to Bobby Valentine means being open to giving somewhat more authority to the manager, which I would welcome given the right manager. Valentine's managerial record is very strong, and there's a case to be made that he's a manager of the requisite level of greatness that he deserves a different level of authority.

I think it could be very, very fun to root for a Bobby Valentine ballclub.

I'm not ready to say, with Darren, that this speaks well of the process. Valentine's been getting a lot of play in local media well before this report, and this could be read as the Red Sox following the lead of the media rather than making their own internal judgment and following that. It could be read as a Lucchino move, with all that entails. Obviously, it could also be the case that the Sox were in on Sveum and lost him, and are now moving on to a consideration set that includes Valentine, without this report suggesting anything about the relative authority of Lucchino and Cherington. I don't know.
   21. Avoid Running At All Times- S. Paige Posted: November 18, 2011 at 04:03 AM (#3996236)
I do wonder how hiring Valentine might influence the Sox's pursuit of Darvish. He's supposedly high on him, having seen him in person.

I agree with others who like this because he'd be a fun presence in the AL East.
   22. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:21 AM (#3996282)
I don't like it. I am uncomfortable with how it is playing out (feels like Cherington is being cut off at the knees here) and I think he's too far from Francona. I don't get the sense he's a disciplinarian but more a Showalter like egomaniac.


Same here. Sveum was my preferred choice. Martinez seems like he's earned a shot. Mackinan was worth a flier. Any of those guys would have worked for me. Not a Valentine fan.
   23. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: November 18, 2011 at 06:02 AM (#3996293)
One thing that I've found a little disappointing about the Epstein era Red Sox has been the need for a company man in the manager's chair, the need for a manager who's there mostly to carry out the directives of his bosses. That's going to prevent you from ever having a truly great manager, because no truly great manager will accept that level of authority.

Walter Alston disagrees - but he's just the exception that proves the rule.
   24. Tripon Posted: November 18, 2011 at 06:57 AM (#3996304)
If you're looking for a manager who clearly understands, and implements sabermetics on the field level (Whatever that entails), Bobby Valentine would be a good choice, don't you think?
   25. Textbook Editor Posted: November 18, 2011 at 07:18 AM (#3996309)
I'm... hell, I don't know what to think. I got used to never thinking about the manager position, and am somewhat flummoxed by having to do so now. I know I don't want Grady Little... and yet Little got us to a Game 7 of the ALCS. I didn't want Francona either, and it turned out well. I laughed at Charlie Manual getting hired too... In short, my opinion on who should ever be manager is pathetic at best and catastrophically awful at worst. I won't be upset, regardless of who they get, because I'll admit to knowing nothing about who would be any good in the job. Valentine would be... an interesting choice, I guess. They better start stocking the fake beards around Fenway, though...
   26. Srul Itza At Home Posted: November 18, 2011 at 07:24 AM (#3996312)
Well he is from New England, and he still has the Sports Bar/Restaurant in Stamford. I ate there when I worked out of my old NY Firm's Stamford office around 1984
   27. Ron J Posted: November 18, 2011 at 09:38 AM (#3996328)
#23 Alston's a weird case. He wasn't even allowed to select his own coaches.

And yet nobody doubted that he had the absolute backing of ownership if push came to shove. (at least after the late 50s)

You had Roth gathering data, but Alston was absolutely free to ignore Roth -- and pretty much did.

I dunno. Not every manager could have thrived in that kind of setup, but he made it work and he wasn't a puppet of the front office or anything like it.

EDIT: Alston's also the manager Ray can cite whenever the "lame duck if the manager is in the last year of his contract" comes up. Alston was always on a one year contract, and was supposedly due to be replaced every year for quite some time. Hell at one point Leo Durocher was one of his coaches (most definitely among the last people he'd have chosen if given any say in the matter) and everybody just assumed that he'd be fired and replaced by Durocher.
   28. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:17 PM (#3996336)
The fact is, the Red Sox gain nothing PR-wise by this. In fact, it probably hurts in that department because people think he's a nut.
Is Valentine really seen as a nut? He's obviously not seen as a Francona (or even Girardi) style company man (I mean, no kidding) but I've always thought he was pretty well-respected for his success if not always his style. I think his job on ESPN speak to that.

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