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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Friday, January 29, 2010Borges: Red Sox’ UZR + DRS = Wait till next yearRon + Borges = Murray Chass.
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Posted: January 29, 2010 at 12:12 PM | 85 comment(s)
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1. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: January 29, 2010 at 12:26 PM (#3449542)And so it was known throughout the land. We have entered a new era.
Fixed.
After years of searching, Repoz has finally located the Biggest Idiot Ever.
Did you see this quote from the article:
This result would be incredible. Theo and Company have very strong track record. They've added a solid #2/3 starter and have upgraded significantly at third and in the field. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that they win at least 90 games.
and it's not even a trap
karlmagnus started writing for the Boston Herald?
(I just typed that, thinking that the quote came from the article...then I realized it actually came from km himself. I swear, you can't make this stuff up.)
Has he really? Can anyone find a link? That seems too high.
The only person obsessed with Epstein's cleverness is you.
You know who uses "he thinks he's sooo smart" as a put-down? STUPID people. I believe you're better than that, though I'm getting the sense that I'm the only one.
Setting aside the silliness of the linked article, because I think we've beaten that horse just enough, based on the link in #12, the idea that the Red Sox are 9 wins better on defense seems almost equally silly. Dewan has Beltre adding 4 wins alone for his defense and Scutaro adding another 3, half of that from them being a combined +34 on defense in 2010. Beltre's good and Scutaro's a big improvement over what the Sox had last year, but I think +34 from the left side of the infield is probably a little bit too aggressive a projection if your infielders aren't named Brooks Robinson and Mark Belanger.
This also ignores the fact that Cameron is going to give back at least some of that defensive improvement on offense compared to Bay.
Not that this translates into an 82-win team or anything, of course.
He also got busted plagiarizing other writers' work and got fired from the Globe because of it. Naturally, he landed at the cesspool that is the Herald in the fullness of time.
Borges knows nothing about everything.
Yeah, that was one of those things that I don't think anyone (probably even Dewan) seriously believed from the moment it was said. It's not that they are 9 wins better on defense but that the net gain would be 9 wins and that's extremely unlikely.
Ahhh, that's why I know his name. Didn't Mike Barnicle have a similar career path?
that's because it was framed in terms of UZR and them other newfangled acronyms
if it had been said "that guy can really pick it", it woulda been OK with Borges
I agree, but the Sox' moves do make them look better this year than last, even without Bay (whom I had no quarrel with). Lackey being in the rotation instead of Penny/Smoltz/Tazawa is an enormous upgrade; Victor will be the primary catcher instead of Varitek's cooling carcass, and while I suppose it's possible it's very unlikely that Scutaro will be worse than the depressing parade of crappy shortstops the Sox rolled out last year. Bay's loss will be felt on offense, no doubt, but I really do the the vastly improved D at LF, CF, 3B, SS, and C should go a long way towards alleviating that loss.
I'm optimistic for 2010, perhaps overly so. So be it.
This may sound dumb but I don't think they are better than last year but I think they are better in 2010 than just bringing back the 2009 team would have been in 2010. Last year's team reminded me of 2005 a lot, a very good team but a team with some holes that needed patching and I think they've done that better than they did in the '05/'06 off-season.
They are so laughable you wouldn't believe me if I told you. This guy's a piece of work.
EDIT: his all time greatest column for wrongness appeared in the Globe on 11/22/2001, the day after Belichick announced Tom Brady was his starter for the rest of that season. The column is hilarious in how many things Borges got completely, utterly incorrect. I would encourage anyone with Westlaw or Lexis access to check it out.
"Some people learn from their mistakes. Others are doomed to repeat them."
Hey Ron, do you even read what you write?
There's another tremendous line in there:
For once he was right. They won three.
And:
Bledsoe played 5 more years, lost his starting QB job twice in two different cities and never led his teams to the playoffs again.
It's tough to get so many things completely incorrect in one article. Borges succeeded.
Of course I expected it. There are a significant number of people who don't understand that Rickey! is a stathead fave.
EDIT: Ozzie Smith would be a better example.
People are arguing against what they think is the stathead position.
Holy hell, did I ever hate the Bledsoe in Buffalo era.
I don't know if you remember this, but I thought it hilarious at the time. The Boston Globe gave the front page to Bledsoe when he set the record for pass attempts in a game with 70. What a ridiculous thing to celebrate. You know you don't have an HOF quarterback when one of his major records is pass attempts in a game.
That's spectacular.
To be fair to Borges, no one liked that pick. It was looked on as an odd pick at the time, and as far as I can remember, no one thought it was a steal. I think many people were confused because they thought there were better players on the board.
There is no more being fair to Borges, since he's never been "fair" to anyone he dislikes and couches things in such assholic, smarmy terms. Add to that fact that he rips the two players the Pats picked there (Seymour turned out to be an All Pro and Light has made the Pro Bowl) and wanted them to pick Terrell who was an enormous bust, and my contempt for this clown remains strong.
He was wrong, he is wrong, he will be forever wrong. Eff him.
I remember that; that was the comeback against Minnesota in Foxboro that the Pats won in OT.
Against Warren ####### Moon. And they barely won.
And you're right, #### Borges.
I tried it. They didn't post my comment. Keep trying though.
I can sort of see their frustration. I'll have to check to see what the reaction was when Ernie Lanigan introduced RBI back in the 1920s. Did Grantland Rice have a cow? Too bad this is a Sox thread. I'll bet Andy knows the answer to this.
Will you please shut the #### up? I usually try not to feed the trolls, but I'm sorry, I'm so sick of this ####. Go pretend some other wildly successful team has a terrible GM, and leave this one alone.
Hear, hear.
I think it's a little harsh.
? What was, my comment, or Voxter's?
I think karl is a huge Red Sox fan with an autographed picture of Theo Epstein on his nightstand.
Political comments were made for comparison only and not intended as a hijack.
But what was his NARWHAL?
A lot of old-school guys like Bobby Cox think that anything can happen in a short series, too. But that never stopped the MSMediots from roasting Billy Bean for saying that the playoffs are a crap shoot.
He looked around at a bunch of acronyms he didn't understand and in a fit of sentimentality for old time baseball he decided he had enough. What if HE wasn't a dinosaur whose baseball knowledge had become stale... what... if... all the new stats were just fruity and useless! Of course! Then he lashed out the only way he knew how (other than attacking Bill Belichick).
Writing a negative article about UZR or VORP is the baseball writer's equivalent of buying a sportscar and leaving your wife and kids for a 29 year old.
I think it's less personal than that. I think a guy like Borges looks at the state of baseball and thinks, "Eh, why bother learning all that crap. I know I'll never really understand it. And no one will fire me for not understanding it, so I'll just ##### about it. I'm on a deadline after all."
There's almost no incentive for a reporter to try to understand the new metrics, unless he wants to do story after story about them. Because for a reporter, it's probably a waste of time learning about something if you're not going to write about it. These guys have to crank out tons of pages a year, and so they remain pig-headed because it's easier to do that than to learn something new.
And really, between the end of the winter meetings and spring training, there's almost nothing to write about. He probably has a few ideas knocking about in his head like, "I'll write one article about new stats and how they're crap. That's one day. Tomorrow I'll write about the budget, how the Sox are becoming like the Yankees." I doubt he thinks about it more than that.
I've been tolerating karlmangus' one-note horseshit for years, and it wasn't until recently that I've said anything about it. But I'm done. He needs to find a new act or shut the hell up.
You really think Borges is planning things out 24 hours in advance? You give him more credit than I do. I think his thought process is mostly "ooh, shiny" and then 20 minutes before deadline it's "uh oh, better do something" then he consults his super-secret "BBWAA List o' Stuff That Annoys Statheads" and fires out a quick column that is about as interesting as what I fire out about 2 hours after lunch.
I would think it's the equivalent of yelling at your teenager to turn off that goddam noise.
/Borges
Then again, he was good at his job.
Yes, but your piece involved thought, research, and facts. If you weren't bothered by those, you could have churned out 800 idiotic words, and signed on with the Herald as a regular columnist.
If sports columnists have taught us anything, it's that they recycle the same goddamned ideas all the time. These guys may not have a calendar laying out the month in advance, but you can be sure they all know ahead of time they're going to write one article about how someone is in the best shape of his life, one on how the Yankees have improved much more than the Red Sox, etc.
From "Classless":
"Yet another unprofessional column by the plagiarist. I feel the same way about the Sox strategy, but at least educate yourself on the subject, Borges. You sound like the dumb kid in the back of class scoffing at the thought of homework while everyone else rolls their eyes at you."
I can send Yankee Redneck an email and see if he knows.
This is hilarious. Is this dude actually retarded, or is he just feigning it for sympathy?
by Joe Sportswriter
I've had a pretty good career. I get free admission to sports events all the time, and in return all I have to do is pound out eight hundred words or so. It can be about what I’ve witnessed at the game, or on tangentially related ideas I had while there. It can be based on hard facts and research, opinion and speculation, or a combination of those. It sounds like a great opportunity, doesn’t it?
Unfortunately, that’s not as easy as it sounds, and I now find myself in a line of work that I absolutely love except for the “work” part of it. I enjoy hanging out every night with Dan, Steve, and all the guys. We talk about the idiot ballplayers making lots more than we do, make side bets on postgame comments, and ponder aloud whether Amalie would put out. However, to keep those fun times going I need to keep writing. And that has become difficult.
I used to be able to cajole a player into giving a quote that feeds a column that would get people talking. But apparently the players talk and text and tweet, and now nobody trusts me before they’ve even had a chance to meet me.
I used to be able to get straightforward and useful stats pretty easily. But now people think those stats are useless, and I can’t understand the new stats, and I can’t ask anyone to explain them because they might say I’m dumb.
I used to be able to copy someone else’s good writings and pass it all off as my own. But people are wise to me now, and the last time I got caught I couldn’t hang out with the guys any more.
I want this job to be easy again. It was easy when the world was simpler, when RBIs were the mark of a good slugger and wins were the mark of a good pitcher, and my readers didn’t expect more than that. The world was simpler when readers trusted my opinion because so much of the game was hidden from them, before 24-hour sports coverage, regional networks, and the internet. The world was simpler when players weren’t wise to my ways, and didn’t blog their comments – in context – on their own.
Therefore I’ve decided – well, really it’s more a reflex than a decision – to belittle anything that makes my job harder. Rather than try to understand new statistics and what they claim to do, I’ll just claim they’re useless and mock the people who made them or use them. Instead of working with athletes to get their story out with proper context and without making them look foolish, I’ll claim every blogging ballplayer is a blowhard who wants attention. For any decision made that doesn’t fit with my narrow view of the world, I’ll call it the dumbest decision in the history of dumb rather than consider its merits.
The Red Sox are emphasizing OBP? I’ll point out that pitching and defense wins championships.
The Red Sox are emphasizing pitching and defense? I’ll point out that they’re headed for disaster.
It really doesn’t matter. If facts make the job hard, I’ll use opinion. If people make the job hard, screw ‘em. If stats make the job hard, I’ll toss them out for the simple ones I like. It’s not like those stats are bad.
Some might look at this and suggest I have a responsibility to my readers, that I should pursue a higher standard and give them the best information. That’s a steaming load of crap. If my readers are smart enough to demand that, then they don’t need me. I was never writing for them anyway. I’m writing for the people who will read my work and accept it blindly. Because of them, I get to hang out with the guys, and not have to do much in return. That’s my responsibility to me. Anyone standing in the way of my sweet, sweet life is a selfish bastard who has neither honor nor decency.
That includes Mark McGwire. How dare he take performance enhancing drugs and not be honest about it? He should have openly admitted his illegal activity while doing it, thus sparing folks like me from having to ask him about it (which I didn’t, because I would have had to remain sober before getting postgame comments). It’s unfair to expect sports journalists to pursue the truth, because nobody gets into sports journalism to be a journalist. Come on.
This job was always supposed to be very easy. Now there are too many smart people, the kind of people I used to make fun of because they weren’t smart enough to take an awesome job like this. They and their high standards make this job suck.
Hey, that’s eight hundred words; I’m done.
That's actually much better than what I read of columnists. The all-important question is: how long did it take?
Still, the concept was around now. Fierce opposition from Chadwick squelched most attempts to revive it. In 1891 it was officially designated a stat by the NL -- and was dropped within a month because the scorers refused to keep track.
It's interesting to note that in this general time frame runs/per game was also dying out as a popular stat. Chadwick had invented it and then switched to hits per game before settling on hits per at bat (with brief experiments with other metrics). Spalding continued to publish runs per game until 1882.
What do the Phillies and Yankees have in common? They have both won fewer World Series in the new millennium than the Red Sox. Do you think that ever occurred to whatever passes for Ron Borges' brain?
Okay, now do it three or four times a week every week for fifteen years, without regularly repeating yourself or saying something stupid. Do it when you're tired, when your kids keep you up all night, when you have writer's block, when nothing of any interest has happened in your area in weeks and all you have to write about is high school basketball or international lacrosse.
I'm not going to disagree that there are a certain number of sportswriters who are lazy and / or dumb. The article under discussion is both. But people here significantly underestimate the difficulty of writing for deadline in this manner.
Or as Woodrow Wilson once said: "If I am to speak ten minutes, I need a week for preparation; if fifteen minutes, three days; if half an hour, two days; if an hour, I am ready now."
-- MWE
It's like he waits for a Red Sox thread so he can't jump in with the same thing each time. We get it. You think the Red Sox are a 82-84 win team. You don't need to repeat it ad infinitum.
Ron 'The Cut Man' Borges?
Wow. Somebody who actually starts counting at "one." I should dust off my old letter to the editor about just what the hell everybody thought they were celebrating at midnight on December 31, 1999.
What's funny is that I try and do a blog post a day or so, but when I write a biography for SABR those take forever and those are only about 2000 words.
This was an underappreciated post.
Interestingly, though, he was pretty much dead-on about Jimmy Johnson . . . . (See # 31)
If so, he definitely would blame Bill Belichick for that fact.
don't get that approach
I don't underestimate it at all. There are many reasons I don't do that for a living. The chief reason is that I don't enjoy the core part of sports journalism - journalism - enough to endure whatever else the job provides. It's not clear that Borges enjoys that part of it, either.
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