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Friday, March 24, 2006

Boston Globe: Timlin relaxes away from camp by going on hunt

Nothing like spending some quality kill-time with that bow hunting born-again Christian…Mike Timlin.

’‘The only thing I’m thinking . . . I’m concentrating because when you shoot from the elevated position, you don’t shoot exactly where you want to go. You shoot a little lower than where you actually want to go,” Timlin would say later.

‘‘A good shot. She finally moved away a little bit and I drilled her. See the arrow down there. Still stuck in the sand. It’s good blood. It goes right through them. Probably right above the heart. She ran about 40 yards over there. There’s two pine trees. It broke her left front leg. I shot her on the right side, it went through and broke her left shoulder. She screamed for a little bit but she’s probably done now. She gave a serious death squeal. She’s kicking and then all of a sudden, wheeeh, and then stop.”

Repoz Posted: March 24, 2006 at 04:34 PM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. rr Posted: March 24, 2006 at 04:56 PM (#1916048)
As one who enjoys a good burger or a good BLT now and again and as one who knows more than I wish I did about slaughterhouses and the meat industry, I am not really in a position to make any moral judgments about hunting.

That said, I once watched about ten minutes of a guy killing a deer on that outdoor channel once, and he sounded a lot like Timlin. It made me physically ill, and this does, too.
   2. Squash Posted: March 24, 2006 at 05:09 PM (#1916064)
Right now Timlin's agent is screaming, "Noooo! Noooo! Noooo!"


All right, he's probably not, but it would be funny if he were.
   3. jeff angus Posted: March 24, 2006 at 05:09 PM (#1916065)
I think Clemens would have narrated something that sounded a lot like this if the broken bat had skewered Piazza...
   4. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: March 24, 2006 at 05:15 PM (#1916073)
he just shot Jonny Paps in the face!!
   5. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: March 24, 2006 at 05:16 PM (#1916075)
I haven't much to add to robinred's comment, but I'll try anyway.

I don't object to hunting. I do object to taking pleasure in causing an animal pain - and I'm not sure how easy it is to separate that from the "natural exhilaration of the hunt". I know some people who can, some who can't...
   6. CraigK Posted: March 24, 2006 at 05:36 PM (#1916120)
Well, at least he ain't shooting at caged, tamed quail...
   7. Sexy Lizard Posted: March 24, 2006 at 05:50 PM (#1916171)
Hunting is weird. I'm for it, generally. Our ecosystem lacks big predators and we need people to shoot deer so they don't overrun us all. Also I think that, historically, in large part the idea of conservation in America came from and was sustained by hunters. I think of Teddy Roosevelt shooting everything and then creating the National Parks system, or a group like Ducks Unlimited that was for years one of the most effective proponents of saving wetlands, so they could have more ducks to shoot at. A good hunter should like being out in the woods as much as he likes killing things; if he's at all thoughtful this makes him a conservationist, if not necessarily an environmentalist.

On the other hand, there is the automatic revulsion to the idea of enjoying killing something, and I'm a strict vegetarian. I guess what I'm saying is I'm glad hunting is out there, I just don't want to hear about it. Someone shut Timlin up!
   8. Honkie Kong Posted: March 24, 2006 at 06:01 PM (#1916198)
natural exhilaration of the hunt
big game/deer hunting generally tends to be hide in a machan somewhere and shoot the animal when it wanders by for a drink or food. That idea somehow revolts me ( me being vegetarian has doesn't affect it! ). This might not be how most hunters hunt ( I am influenced by reading too much Jim Corbett when young ), but if this is the modus operandi, I don't know what the natural exhilaration is..
This is the equivalent of "camping" in a Quake 3 kinda game, and somehow that doesn't strike me as fun
   9. Furious George Posted: March 24, 2006 at 06:32 PM (#1916252)
Albert Pujols is My Homeboy (Craig3410) Posted: March 24, 2006 at 12:36 PM (#1916120)
Well, at least he ain't shooting at caged, tamed quail...


Or a 79-year-old Texas lawyer.

I'm ambivalent on hunting. I can't get into it or really read in detail about how much someone enjoys the "sport" (how come deer don't get guns as well?). But I am a meat-eater.

I grew up in Upstate NY, where almost everyone in my town hunts. My family did not, but I remember hunting season as being a time when a)we had to keep our dog indoors at all times so she wouldn't get shot accidentally while tromping through the woods and b) one of our neighbors would have too much venison to store and we'd be the lucky recipients of it(it's so good, IMO).

Also, on the 2nd day of hunting season, our newspaper almost always carried the headline "1ST FATALITY OF HUNTING SEASON REPORTED." Almost always a drunk NYCer who drove up to the country and is illegally hunting on someone else's land. So for those who think hunting is barbaric and we've evolved past it, maybe there's some Darwinian proof to support the view.
   10. TomH Posted: March 24, 2006 at 06:33 PM (#1916255)
and the point of posting this article on a baseball discussion site is...?
   11. RichRifkin Posted: March 24, 2006 at 06:36 PM (#1916259)
If you eat meat, and you wouldn't kill an animal, then you are a hypocrite. Count me in as a confirmed hypocrite.
   12. Hubie Brooks (Not Really) Posted: March 24, 2006 at 06:42 PM (#1916266)
It would be cool to see if anyone could swing a bat fast enough to hit an arrow.
   13. BFFB Posted: March 24, 2006 at 06:48 PM (#1916278)
I eat meat (though not very much - maybe once a week) and would be prepared to kill an animal, and have. However, I can't grasp taking any pleasure in or glorifying it in the way the article portrays.
   14. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 24, 2006 at 07:00 PM (#1916296)
He drives each pitcher to a separate blind, each one located near a feeder.

nice.

He quotes a passage from the Book of James about the joy of the encounter. He says sometimes the prayers don't work. ''It happened a lot when I was blowing a lot of saves while I was playing for Baltimore."

But he thinks there is a lesson in that.

''Maybe the guy hitting was a Christian, too, and God knew he needed a lift," Timlin says. ''God knew I could handle it. God doesn't care what my ERA is."


Wait, sports prayers do work, or does he not care about ERA? There is conflicting "evidence".

Timlin says hunting has some similarities to baseball.

''It is a one-on-one thing," he explained. ''So is baseball. But then again, not really, 'cause in baseball everybody else can help you out."


That is the only difference.
   15. bob gee Posted: March 24, 2006 at 07:01 PM (#1916298)
robinred - there's a book called fast food nation which came out a few years ago which is interesting reading. sort of like _the jungle_ for the 21st century...

i eat meat, but have cut back in my 30s. it is healthier not to eat as much meat - but i enjoy the taste of a real good steak. or venison.

my father-in-law hunts, eats what he kills, but believes in care with hunting, one-shot kills, scouting before the hunt...and NOT that everyone should own an uzi. seems entirely logical to me.
   16. bunyon Posted: March 24, 2006 at 07:19 PM (#1916327)
Right now Timlin's agent is screaming, "Noooo! Noooo! Noooo!"


Timlin's agent is a deer?




FWIW, the bow hunters I know really do "hunt". That is they are much less protected (i.e they don't sit in pickups) than the gun hunters and making a kill is significantly tougher. Of course, that also means that there is a much greater chance of them wounding the animal and causing more suffering.

I wouldn't enjoy killing an animal but the fact is that a lot of animals eat other animals and that process involves suffering and isn't pretty. I didn't RTFA, but the quote above doesn't sound so much to me as if he enjoys inflicting pain as he acknowledges that to kill his prey and get his food will involve the animal suffering. Interpreted that way (and I may well be wrong in his POV) that is a much more mature view than most of us have, which is to eat heartily of meats and ignore the fact that somewhere some animal died a lousy death or lived a lousy live so that I could have a burger.

Also, if you like hunting but don't like killing, take up photography. I have a lot of good friends who, once they left their teens, lost the desire to kill but still liked to hunt. Wildlife photography combines most of the skill sets without the blood.
   17. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: March 24, 2006 at 07:20 PM (#1916330)
Jim Corbett was one ugly mother.
   18. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: March 24, 2006 at 07:51 PM (#1916392)
and the point of posting this article on a baseball discussion site is...?


So I can post this!

Perfect is it not?

Best Regards

John
   19. RobertMachemer Posted: March 24, 2006 at 08:01 PM (#1916409)
we need people to shoot deer so they don't overrun us all.
Offhand, I'd guess that the deer would become overcrowded and starve significant numbers of themselves to death long before they overran us (assuming you mean 'humans' by "us").

There are some people who would argue that this is a reason why humans should hunt -- culling the herd with relatively quick deaths is suggested to be preferable overall to allowing a large number of deers to starve to death. Personally, if I were a deer, I'd rather take my chances on outcompeting my fellow deer for food in an overcrowded habitat than the near-certainty of dying if I'm shot.
   20. tfbg9 Posted: March 24, 2006 at 08:08 PM (#1916424)
My brother-in-law got lyme disease from a deer tick in suburban NJ that paralyzed half his face for about two years, and my family has had about 4-5 auto accidents involving deer that run across their driving paths. I'm not a big deer fan. Let's introduce some wolves into suburbia, and see how the deer like it the way it used to be. Personally, if I were a deer, I'd take the quick death by car or rifle over being slowly nibbled to death by 12 wolves. That would kinda suck. Nature's not very nice.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 24, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#1916429)
I'm not a big deer fan. Let's introduce some wolves into suburbia, and see how the deer like it the way it used to be.

If wolves were brought into suburbia, humans as well as the deer would have problems. Let's see how the suburbanites like the way it used to be, when they were prey.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: March 24, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#1916445)
I agree with with introducing wolves into suburbia, even parts of suburbia that have zero deer.
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: March 24, 2006 at 08:21 PM (#1916448)
Post #21 hadnt appeared when I wrote #22
   24. Sexy Lizard Posted: March 24, 2006 at 08:22 PM (#1916449)
Personally, if I were a deer, I'd rather take my chances on outcompeting my fellow deer for food in an overcrowded habitat than the near-certainty of dying if I'm shot.

Me too, but there's more than just deer out there. A big herbivore without anything killing it can wreck an ecosystem. The new classic of this sort of thing is Yellowstone in the period without wolves (~1920-1996). There were way too many elk and they browsed down all of the new trees, so in the valley of the Lamar River there are basically no willow trees that started growing in that period. Since the reintroduction of elk-eating wolves you've got a huge increase in tree growth in certain areas, leading to greater plant and animals diversity. Beavers there for the first time in a century, for example.

Hunting is a clumsy (and IMHO unpleasant) replacement for predation, but until people are comfortable with wolves and mountain lions in the suburbs...
   25. Sexy Lizard Posted: March 24, 2006 at 08:26 PM (#1916464)
If wolves were brought into suburbia, humans as well as the deer would have problems. Let's see how the suburbanites like the way it used to be, when they were prey.

Before Joe Suburb gets eaten it will be Fido's turn. The book Monster of God has a bit on Siberian tigers that live on guard dogs (chained up, bred to stand their ground -- perfect tiger snacks). There are coyotes outside of San Diego that specialize in eating house cats.
   26. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: March 24, 2006 at 08:28 PM (#1916469)
I'm not a big deer fan. Let's introduce some wolves into suburbia, and see how the deer like it the way it used to be

Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're
overrun by lizards?
Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese
needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous
type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
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Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around,
the gorillas simply freeze to death.
   27. tfbg9 Posted: March 24, 2006 at 09:23 PM (#1916609)
Stupid deer!
   28. Mister High Standards Posted: March 24, 2006 at 09:30 PM (#1916627)
Primer and (forget)'in Hippies.
   29. RichRifkin Posted: March 24, 2006 at 09:38 PM (#1916648)
#26 -- very funny. Had me laughing out loud.
   30. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: March 24, 2006 at 10:47 PM (#1916807)
He drives each pitcher to a separate blind, each one located near a feeder.


Really not at all distinguishable from shooting tame, flightless quails. Timlin is not a hunter, he's a ####### pansy.
   31. Walt Davis Posted: March 25, 2006 at 09:07 AM (#1917593)
Too many deer in suburbia?

Ummm....the deer were there first. And before we started cutting down all that forest for developments, they had plenty of room to roam.

Wolves? You want wolves going through your garbage every night? You want to wake up to wolves in your front yard?
   32. Punky Brusstar (orw) Posted: March 25, 2006 at 02:37 PM (#1917687)
Oh, deer. Here's a little story with One True Outcome!

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