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Thursday, July 15, 2021

Boston Red Sox vs. New York Yankees game postponed after multiple Yankees test positive for COVID-19

he Yankees’ post-All-Star break opener against the Boston Red Sox on Thursday night was postponed because of positive COVID-19 tests among New York pitchers Jonathan Loaisiga, Nestor Cortes Jr. and Wandy Peralta.

Aaron Judge, Kyle Higashioka and Gio Urshela are also in COVID-19 protocols, sources told ESPN’s Buster Olney.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said earlier Thursday that tests for three players were still pending, but he did not name them. He said he assumes the tests will come back positive.

All the Red Sox All-Stars who were in Denver have been asked to undergo additional testing on Thursday because they were told a Yankees All-Star had tested positive, sources told ESPN’s Marly Rivera.

Judge, Gerrit Cole and Aroldis Chapman all participated in the All-Star festivities this week.

“It’s a fluid situation that could spread. It has spread to some degree,” Cashman said. “We have three positives and we have three pending that we’ve had rapid tests on. ... We’ll wait now for the lab tests to come back, which I’m assuming is going to be positive, as well. So that would increase our number to six, but we’re not at six yet. We’re at three confirmed.’‘

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   1. Rough Carrigan Posted: July 16, 2021 at 07:51 AM (#6029240)
Are they assymptomatic and how many cycles did the run the pcr tests?
   2. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 16, 2021 at 09:22 AM (#6029243)
The only fair response is to end the Yankees' season now and ban them from participating in future All-Star Games.
   3. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 16, 2021 at 09:55 AM (#6029245)
From an NY Times article:
Cashman did not know the status of the Yankees’ remaining weekend games with the Red Sox, who are scheduled to be in New York through Sunday. Given the two outbreaks the team has now experienced, he said the Yankees would consider a change in protocols.

“We certainly will re-evaluate everything we have done and if there’s anything we can be better at as we move forward, those are fair questions to ask,” Cashman said. “I don’t have an answer for that right now. I know that we rely on a lot of guidance from medical experts and try to implement to the best of our abilities. We have a population of personnel that most are vaccinated, some have chosen not to get vaccinated, they have their reasons for that. We’re certainly trying to create — Major League Baseball is, as well as the New York Yankees — a safe environment to come work and travel in.”

The Yankees sent three players to the All-Star Game in Denver on Tuesday — Aroldis Chapman, Gerrit Cole and Aaron Judge — but Cashman would not say if they were among the other three players who had positive results via rapid tests.

He did say that not all of the players who could end up positive were vaccinated. And Boston’s Rafael Devers, who was also at the All-Star Game, told ESPN’s Marly Rivera that he was getting tested for the virus because a Yankee All-Star had tested positive. Cora confirmed to reporters that his team’s five All-Stars — Devers, Xander Bogaerts, Matt Barnes, Nathan Eovaldi and J.D. Martinez — were all getting tested, and that not all of those players had been vaccinated. ...

Tony Clark, the executive director of the players’ union, said at the All-Star Game that while he had gotten the vaccine, he was not pushing all the players to do the same.

“Push? No,” Clark said. “Encourage? We’ve encouraged since the beginning, and we continue to. So if guys ask, we’ll put players directly in touch with experts and make sure they have access to that information. Not push, but encourage.” ...

Of all the stupid things for the union to take a stand on, resistance to vaccination mandates has to be one of the most idiotic.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 16, 2021 at 09:57 AM (#6029246)
Of all the stupid things for the union to take a stand on, resistance to vaccination mandates has to be one of the most idiotic.

Why? Seems like a pretty basic worker and human right to decide what health care you accept.
   5. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: July 16, 2021 at 09:57 AM (#6029247)
The lack of information coming out is a bit concerning. I'd expect info to be getting leaked fast and furious with these two teams, that there is no detail makes me think there are a lot more positive tests and playing any games this weekend is in doubt.
   6. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:11 AM (#6029252)
Of all the stupid things for the union to take a stand on, resistance to vaccination mandates has to be one of the most idiotic.

Why? Seems like a pretty basic worker and human right to decide what health care you accept.


Not when it can affect the operation of an entire enterprise. But if baseball wants to wind up looking like Mississippi Lite, I guess that's their privilege.
   7. SandyRiver Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:37 AM (#6029255)
Why? Seems like a pretty basic worker and human right to decide what health care you accept.

Same is true if one gets bitten by a rattlesnake and refuses the antivenom. And also idiotic. (IMO)
   8. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:54 AM (#6029257)
Same is true if one gets bitten by a rattlesnake and refuses the antivenom.


Except, of course, in this case getting bitten by a rattlesnake is highly infectious, and with vaccines that are effective but not 100% effective, protecting yourself is a pre-condition of protecting the people around you.
   9. DCA Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:56 AM (#6029258)
Not when it can affect the operation of an entire enterprise.

Yes, it's pretty clear that management has an interest in getting the players vaccinated. But it's the union's job to represent its members, not to do management's work, and they are doing so (the vaccinated players are at minimal risk, and the unvaccinated are so by choice).

The obvious action is for the league to make concessions to the players in exchange for requiring or incentivizing vaccinations.
   10. bunyon Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:56 AM (#6029259)
Think about all the laws we have regulating personal behavior for, presumably, the public good. And then we don't require vaccines. It's bizarre.

   11. bunyon Posted: July 16, 2021 at 10:57 AM (#6029260)
(the vaccinated players are not at risk, and the unvaccinated are so by choice).

They're at lesser risk, not no risk. And the longer we go with a partially vaccinated population and an otherwise unchecked virus, the greater their risk will be.
   12. DCA Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:10 AM (#6029263)
They're at lesser risk, not no risk.

Vaccinated players have negligible incremental risk compared to endemic infectious disease and other hazards that are part of the game. The vaccine is basically 100% effective against severe illness (certainly medically vulnerable subpopulations excepted, but professional athletes are not one of those). I have a high risk kid (under 12), so we are basically still on lockdown, but the vaccinated are safe (for now, at least).
   13. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:23 AM (#6029265)
Vaccinated players have negligible incremental risk compared to endemic infectious disease and other hazards that are part of the game. The vaccine is basically 100% effective against severe illness (certainly medically vulnerable subpopulations excepted, but professional athletes are not one of those)


Rapidly increasing hospitalisation rates among the young at the moment suggest that 'negligible' may be an overbid for the newest variants of the virus, and of course the more infections that are out there, the greater the opportunities for further mutation. There are also players who will have weakened immune systems while still being able to play - some active players have Type 1 Diabetes, which is a condition of the immune system. Isn't Trey Mancini returning from cancer?

Plus, of course, players do not only interact with other players, but with coaching staff, clubhouse staff, medical practitioners, travel providers, and broadcasters. The union may not represent those people, but it may not want its members to be responsible for spreading infection to those groups either.
   14. DCA Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6029267)
I'm not arguing that the players shouldn't get vaccinated (they should). But it isn't the union's role to push this (and depending on how the membership feels, it may even be within their role to resist it). Education and encouragement, which is what according to Clark they are doing, is probably the appropriate middle ground.


Management has a clear interest in having as many players and other staff vaccinated as possible, and they can either impose it or negotiate it with the union. But it is not the union's job to do management's work for them.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 16, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6029269)
Same is true if one gets bitten by a rattlesnake and refuses the antivenom. And also idiotic. (IMO)

I got vaccinated as soon as I could. I'm not talking about what I think is advisable, merely about peoples' right to make their own decisions.

Except, of course, in this case getting bitten by a rattlesnake is highly infectious, and with vaccines that are effective but not 100% effective, protecting yourself is a pre-condition of protecting the people around you.

The people around you should protect themselves. Vaccine is freely available in the U.S. I'm vaccinated, and I have zero concern about being around un-vaccinated people, because I believe vaccines work. If they're concerned about catching it from me (despite the very small risk) they should get vaccinated.
   16. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: July 16, 2021 at 12:00 PM (#6029273)
The people around you should protect themselves. Vaccine is freely available in the U.S. I'm vaccinated, and I have zero concern about being around un-vaccinated people, because I believe vaccines work. If they're concerned about catching it from me (despite the very small risk) they should get vaccinated.


The whole point of a pandemic being an event of incredible import is that it is not possible to reliably protect oneself without the contribution of others - as is true for many other things in life. In the same way, some players may be very comfortable in their ability to drive around at night without their headlights on, and that other drivers on the road should keep their headlights on if they they're scared of crashing. Too bad. They should be expected to drive with headlights on at night anyway, for other people's protection as well as their own. Even if those other people have the best headlights around.

Rugged individualism is a child's fantasy.

But it isn't the union's role to push this (and depending on how the membership feels, it may even be within their role to resist it).


Protecting their own immuno-compromised members from irresponsible behaviour from others among their members, to the detriment of the whole profession, certainly should be their role, as it should be how the membership wants union leadership to behave. The MLB player's union gaining a reputation for reckless disregard of their own members' health and the health of those who have to work with them to make MLB games happening should be poisonous to the popularity of the sport. And a spate of MLB games having to be postponed or cancelled because of rising Covid infections among players, umpires, coaches, clubhouse staff, and others is also not in the interest of MLB players either.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 16, 2021 at 12:32 PM (#6029281)
Think about all the laws we have regulating personal behavior for, presumably, the public good. And then we don't require vaccines. It's bizarre.
The Covid vaccines have only been authorized for ‘emergency use’, so it would be legally difficult to make them mandatory for the general population before final approval. Encouraging players to get vaccinated is about as far as one should expect the MLBPA to go.
   18. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM (#6029284)
1) It is absolutely in the MLBPA's interest to get all players vaccinated, not only because of the opportunity to greatly lower the risk of players getting really sick from COVID-19, but also because the impact of postponing games and entire series risks the health of the players.

Consider this Yankees-Red Sox series, which already has one postponed game, and may have others postponed, as well. These games will have to be made up sometime. The REd Sox have a grand total of two days off between now and August 16th:

- On Monday, August 2nd, they have a day off between the end of a series at Tampa, and the beginning of a series at Detroit. The idea that the team would fly to to NY for a single game against the Yankees in the middle of that is clearly not in the players' interest.
- On Monday, August 9th, they have a day off between the end of a series in Buffalo against Toronto, and the beginning of a home stand. Yes, they could fly to NY for a game on the 10th,but they will have just finished a 3-city, 9-game road trip before that. Does anybody think that is helpful for the players?

By the way, this doesn't even matter: The Yankees have games on both of those days, anyway. This is so dumb.

Also, ask Eduardo Rodriguez about COVID - he had heart tissue inflammation because of it, and missed last year. In fact, the only two starts not made by the REd Sox starting rotation this year were two starts early in the season by Houck...replacing ERod, who was not yet ready in 2021 because of COVID!

And virtually all MLB players, if they have children, will have kids under the age of 12, who have not yet gotten the OK to take the vaccine. As soon as the players' union starts arguing that players should have the right to not wear a helmet when batting, because, hey, it is "their health, their choice", then I'll respect the intellectual consistency, if not the wisdom, of their COVID position.
   19. pikepredator Posted: July 16, 2021 at 01:28 PM (#6029288)
the impact of postponing games and entire series risks the health of the players.


It's one of the reasons I would prefer a more draconian solution of forcing teams to forfeit games they have to cancel due to COVID violations. Perhaps such a penalty would result in teams hiding positive diagnoses, so it might be a bad idea. And may well be against the CBA and thus not possible.

But if I was king, that's what I'd do. I'm not saying this is the case here, but if one team is being careful and the other is being irresponsible, it's not right to punish both teams with postponements. Seems like the Yanks are more well-vaxx'ed than the Sox so in this case there may well be some bad luck involved.

Or, how about the COVID-positive team is replaced by their AAA squad? That would be fun!
   20. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: July 16, 2021 at 01:34 PM (#6029290)
Or, how about the COVID-positive team is replaced by their AAA squad? That would be fun!


Honestly why not? Especially if it's unvaccinated players who get COVID. If guys choose not to have the vaccine that's fine, but there are consequences (plus it would be fun to get an idea how big a difference between AAA and MLB there is).
   21. pikepredator Posted: July 16, 2021 at 01:54 PM (#6029294)
The more I think about it . . . I expect the MLB team would have to pay 1-day MLB-scale wages (at least?) to the AAA players. All players would get one game of real MLB stats, which is fun if you're sniffing the majors. The team that didn't have positive tests has a chance to feast on AAA pitching - but imagine the excitement if that AAA team could actually stand up to an MLB team.
   22. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 16, 2021 at 02:27 PM (#6029302)
I have zero concern about being around un-vaccinated people, because I believe vaccines work.

I also believe vaccines work. But I was troubled to learn today that 50-year old Phil Nevin was part of the earlier Yankee outbreak, and despite him being vaccinated, he spent 3 weeks in the hospital and lost 22 pounds.

I don't walk around scared, but I also don't brag that I have zero concern.
   23. . . . . . . Posted: July 16, 2021 at 05:05 PM (#6029319)
My first cousin (in-law?), age 17, was killed by the vaccine. Bad #### happens. But the odds of being hospitalized after two doses of mRNA vaccine are very low - really talking flu level risk or lower.
   24. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: July 16, 2021 at 05:37 PM (#6029323)
The Covid vaccines have only been authorized for ‘emergency use’...


Emergency use is also why I wear a motorcycle helmet.
   25. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: July 17, 2021 at 08:01 AM (#6029376)
Emergency use is also why I wear a motorcycle helmet.


I hope you have a motorcycle.

but imagine the excitement if that AAA team could actually stand up to an MLB team.


LOL! AAA ball stinks. I've been watching the Worcester team the past few days. Very boring. Very few of those players, on either team, are ready to play in the majors. Imagine a team the Tigers or Pirates would crush regularly. That's AAA ball.
   26. BDC Posted: July 17, 2021 at 08:25 AM (#6029378)
Phil Nevin was part of the earlier Yankee outbreak, and despite him being vaccinated, he spent 3 weeks in the hospital and lost 22 pounds

Apparently Nevin was in hospital so long because of a bacterial kidney infection and then a staph infection. It could be that those are complications to be expected in COVID hospitalizations, or it could be that the positive COVID test along the way was fairly incidental. I truly don't know, and it's hard to tell from the way it's been reported.
   27. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: July 22, 2021 at 02:49 PM (#6030054)
It's one of the reasons I would prefer a more draconian solution of forcing teams to forfeit games they have to cancel due to COVID violations. Perhaps such a penalty would result in teams hiding positive diagnoses, so it might be a bad idea. And may well be against the CBA and thus not possible.

But if I was king, that's what I'd do. I'm not saying this is the case here, but if one team is being careful and the other is being irresponsible, it's not right to punish both teams with postponements. Seems like the Yanks are more well-vaxx'ed than the Sox so in this case there may well be some bad luck involved.


Just found this on the Twitterz...

@TomPelissero
The NFL just informed clubs that if a game cannot be rescheduled during the 18-week season in 2021 due to a COVID outbreak among unvaccinated players, the team with the outbreak will FORFEIT and be credited with a loss for playoff seeding, per sources.

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