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Monday, March 01, 2010

Bowman: Figuring the greatest pro: Fishing sabermetrics?

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Think of fishing by the numbers in the tradition of the 1977 Baseball Abstract, Bill James’ 68-page spark to the sabermetrics revolution in baseball.

A similar method should work to compare performances of competitive fishermen.

Numbers are the measuring stick of baseball across time. James just took it past the basics of wins and losses, strikeouts, batting average, ERA and homers.

We already have the basic statistics of fishing (equivalent of average, ERA) with tournament victories, career earnings and Classic titles. But we can dig deeper to compare fishermen.

So I devised a basic construct. The method should work at the club level as well as the professional. I am basing it on competitive bass fishing, because that is most common. But the method could be tweaked to also work for other forms of competitive fishing, probably even bank fishing events.

I started thinking about this last Sunday when Kevin VanDam won his third Bassmaster Classic title. That put him just one Classic title away from Rick Clunn’s record four Classic titles.

Repoz Posted: March 01, 2010 at 05:40 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 01, 2010 at 08:21 AM (#3470091)
But what is his CARP?
   2. Tuque Posted: March 01, 2010 at 09:02 AM (#3470094)
or his WARF?
   3. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 01, 2010 at 09:21 AM (#3470096)
These guys need to get out of their mothers' basements and sit around doing nothing for hours on end for a while.
   4. Mattbert Posted: March 01, 2010 at 10:01 AM (#3470098)
Competitive fishing: oxymoron.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 01, 2010 at 12:44 PM (#3470106)
"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day; TEACH a man to fish and he'll sit around in a boat drinking beer all day."
   6. 185/456(GGC) Posted: March 01, 2010 at 12:50 PM (#3470107)
Whatever they come up with, it better show Ted Williams as a great fisherman.
   7. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: March 01, 2010 at 03:58 PM (#3470161)
I can't believe Tim Salmon never made an all-fish squad.
   8. J. Bowman, upon reflection, does hate pants Posted: March 01, 2010 at 04:13 PM (#3470169)
Tournament victories is a terrible statistic to use; if your fish can't find the hook that day, or fail to be big, you're not going to win. Rick Clunn would say you "fished just well enough to lose," which misses the point, of course.
   9. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: March 01, 2010 at 04:20 PM (#3470178)
I once stumbled across a panel of fishing pros on TV at some obscure hour discussing the top 10 anglers. Not only could I not believe that such a thing could be determined, I couldn't believe anybody would care. Fishing = great. Watching fishing = the most boring thing I can imagine.
   10. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 01, 2010 at 04:41 PM (#3470196)
The only thing I like about fish is eating them raw.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: March 01, 2010 at 04:53 PM (#3470204)
The only thing I like about fish is eating them raw.


You are missing out an a world of fun fish activity. Visiting aquariums, going fishing, scuba diving, eating cooked or salted or pickled (ahem, preserved) fishes ... these are all wonderful pursuits!
   12. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 01, 2010 at 04:59 PM (#3470209)
I have been fishing many dozens of times. If I'm gonna hang out on a boat and drink beer, I prefer not to have to mess around with worms and hooks and such.

That other stuff . . . eh. I can take it or leave it. Cooked fish is mealy, pickled fish is gross. I suppose the occasional aquarium is okay.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: March 01, 2010 at 05:06 PM (#3470214)
Cooked fish is mealy


All of it? No it isn't.
   14. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 01, 2010 at 05:16 PM (#3470219)
I just don't like it. I've had lots of fish in my day, so I'm not just passing judgement based on a few experiences. I don't like the texture of cooked fish -- or the taste, really; there's something about the combination of heat and the taste of fish that combine to make me go "yuck". It's not an experience I enjoy.
   15. bunyon Posted: March 01, 2010 at 05:21 PM (#3470222)
Go diving. You get a new appreciation for fish when they size you up as a potential meal.
   16. jwb Posted: March 01, 2010 at 05:32 PM (#3470237)
Hmm. I was just thinking about whatever kind of steak the local market has, a soy reduction sauce, and a crab imperial topping.
   17. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: March 01, 2010 at 05:36 PM (#3470243)
Cooked fish is mealy

In that I have many meals consisting of fish, both raw and cooked, this is true.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: March 01, 2010 at 05:48 PM (#3470256)
In that I have many meals consisting of fish, both raw and cooked, this is true.


You have probably also had snacks consisting of fish.
   19. CrosbyBird Posted: March 01, 2010 at 06:19 PM (#3470290)
I like eating fish, but cooking it is a giant pain in the ass. There's about 15-30 seconds of time between not done enough and overcooked, and the whole apartment reeks for days. Eventually, I will get an electric grill for my terrace and eliminate the second factor.
   20. PreservedFish Posted: March 01, 2010 at 06:23 PM (#3470294)
That's why I like oily fish like mackerel and bluefish, which are difficult to overcook. Also like the strong flavor of them. They do make the apartment reek though.
   21. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 01, 2010 at 06:27 PM (#3470297)
I like eating fish, but cooking it is a giant pain in the ass. There's about 15-30 seconds of time between not done enough and overcooked, and the whole apartment reeks for days. Eventually, I will get an electric grill for my terrace and eliminate the second factor.


preparing fish in your oven via a broiler really helps mitigate the odor issue, not for all species, but many.

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