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Braves, Dallas Keuchel agree to deal, per report | CBS Sports

 

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 06, 2019 at 10:02 PM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 06, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5849274)
Greater or less than $17.9M?
   2. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: June 06, 2019 at 10:15 PM (#5849278)
$13MM for the rest of the season. Works out to about the pro-rated portion of $20MM.
   3. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 07, 2019 at 01:23 AM (#5849298)
So less, but they get to pretend it's somehow more.
   4. Captain Supporter Posted: June 07, 2019 at 09:33 AM (#5849307)
I was glad the Braves got him rather than the Yankees. Starting in mid-season without spring training is not an experiment I was looking forward to. Plus the Astros know what they are doing and their lack of interest in resigning Keuchel is a red flag to me.

   5. The Duke Posted: June 07, 2019 at 09:41 AM (#5849309)
Really? 1/13 for keuchel and no one would/could beat that? Strange
   6. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 07, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5849310)
That sounds a bit like sour grapes. I don't think Keuchel is a Cy Young candidate anymore, but he is a solid starter. Maybe the Astros weren't interested in a long term deal with a 31 year old pitcher who has been good but not great. This is a one year deal.
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: June 07, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5849312)
Really? 1/13 for keuchel and no one would/could beat that? Strange
To be fair, it's probably something like .6/13
   8. BrianBrianson Posted: June 07, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5849313)
I don't think we really know the Astros weren't interested in resigning Keuchel. I think this has to be read as him realising he gambled and lost, so take a 2/3rds of a year deal to prove he still has it to land big money next year. I would have to think he's gunning for 1/13+(4/110 or 5/130), and wasn't open to something in between.
   9. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: June 07, 2019 at 10:07 AM (#5849318)
%@#!ING Wilpons...
   10. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 07, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5849323)

I was going to say, given the Mets gave three starts to Wilmer ####### Font last month you'd have thought they could have used Keuchel on a deal like this. It's not like they need Keuchel to be a CYA candidate, they just need someone who can eat innings and relieve some of the stress on the pen.
   11. bfan Posted: June 07, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5849326)
I wonder if he will pitch for the Atlanta Braves before the All-star break (1 month from today)?

I think this will be helpful for the Braves, although the (at least in some references) plan to use Keuchel to help keep the innings of Fried and Siroka down (both of whom are on pace to far surpass previous highs) doesn't help with getting the piles of suck that are Kevin Gausman and Mike F. off the mound.
   12. Lassus Posted: June 07, 2019 at 10:25 AM (#5849327)
Yeah, the Mets not on this is idiotic. He'd still be better than Vargas, random shut-out or no.
   13. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 07, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5849337)
Yankees had the prorated qualifying offer (11M-12M) for Keuchel on table for a week plus but never came off it.


If he truly could have signed a week ago, he could have made $820k from the Yankees just in that week, negating any difference in salaries.
   14. wjones Posted: June 07, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5849343)
Plus the Astros know what they are doing and their lack of interest in resigning Keuchel is a red flag to me.

I was under the impression that the Astros made him a qualifying offer.
   15. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 07, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5849345)
14 - they did. I think Heyman said they made also made him a 1 yr and 2 yr offer in March (though the 1 yr was less than the QO).
   16. rconn23 Posted: June 07, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5849351)
This signing would have made all the sense in the world for the Yankees. Now they will probably overpay in prospects for a declining Bumgarner.
   17. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: June 07, 2019 at 11:44 AM (#5849353)
For context, a $20 million salary comes out to a little over $123K per game. I know professional athletes are living in a different financial world from most of us, but still: The idea of sitting at home where every week is costing you about $800K in salary (6.5 games a week) is difficult to imagine. I mean, each game's income puts you in the top 20% of American household incomes (~$120K/yr, combined household income). That's pretty crazy.
   18. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 07, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5849354)
Yeah, the Mets not on this is idiotic. He'd still be better than Vargas, random shut-out or no.

Vargas has a 2.84 ERA in his 9 starts this season. He is averaging just under 5 innings but he's actually been very serviceable. Not sure how long it is going to last but he has been decent.
   19. Captain Supporter Posted: June 07, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5849361)
I was under the impression that the Astros made him a qualifying offer.


It was your classic offer to placate his fans that they already knew he would not accept because he wanted a multi-year contract. They then made him smaller one and two year offers later on, knowing he was looking for at least three years at a higher number. In short, they did not have a real interest in signing him.
   20. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: June 07, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5849372)
Basically a million bucks a start, more or less, with any playoffs as gravy. No idea whether that's worth it.
   21. Bote Man Posted: June 07, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5849394)
I saw a tweet last night that said he would start Saturday (tomorrow). That's insane since he has not appeared in a real MLB game for many months now. Even working out at a facility can't substitute for a live game situation, even in the minors.

EDIT: Cancel red alert. he'll take a physical on Friday and will start in Triple-A this weekend
   22. base ball chick Posted: June 07, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5849425)
Captain Supporter Posted: June 07, 2019 at 09:33 AM (#5849307)

... the Astros know what they are doing and their lack of interest in resigning Keuchel is a red flag to me


- they know what they are doing?

you seriously think that any one of jeff peacock, colin mchugh, framber effing valdez or wade miley is better than charlie morton? or forrest can't pitch worth a darn at AAA whitley?

they made zero effort to resign keuchel. he had every reason to believe that teams would want to sign him for more than 1 year - he's 31, not 41. he's not a cy young top 5 any more but he's still very good
   23. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: June 07, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5849435)
Have you seen Wade Miley his year? He’s been pitching very well for them. More generally given that they won the World Series two years ago, went to the ALCS last year and look like one of the two best teams in the AL at worst I think “the Astros know what they are doing” is a pretty solid default position.

All that is not to say he isn’t better than McHugh or the other guys but there is a financial piece to this. Where I think SUpporters argument falls down is that the Astros didn’t NOT want Keuchel, they just didn’t want to sign him to a long term deal. The fact that they offered him $17.9 for one year to stay suggests they think he would be just fine in 2019.
   24. Captain Supporter Posted: June 07, 2019 at 06:18 PM (#5849470)
Except that at that point his agent had made it very clear that he had no interest in a one year deal
   25. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: June 08, 2019 at 06:27 PM (#5849652)
Is there any concrete reporting that indicates he received a multi-year offer from another team (or, for that matter, from the Astros) which he rejected because he thought he could do better?

If so, and given that he gave up on about $5 million by rejecting the QO, how much would he have to get this coming off-season for the "gamble" of rejecting the QO to have paid off for him?
   26. base ball chick Posted: June 09, 2019 at 11:02 AM (#5849769)
jose

it is meaningle4ss to offer something to someone who you know for an absolute fact won't take it.

kind of like some old ugly smelly poor man offering some young beautirul (not ho) girl an, uh, adventure with him in bed.

NOT happening.

i know the stros DID get burned once on a QO (colby rasmus), but his agent wasn't boras and he wasn't a good pitcher who could obviously contribute to a whole LOT of clubs
   27. bobm Posted: June 09, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5849772)
it is meaningle4ss to offer something to someone who you know for an absolute fact won't take it.

But it seems that's exactly what he took, but with fewer dollars for fewer starts.
   28. BrianBrianson Posted: June 09, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5849775)
No, it doesn't read like that at all. It reads like he took a 1 year deal to prove himself/push 2016 further back so he could (hopefully) sign a big money deal next year.

If the reporting were true, and he was hoping for 150-200/6-7, and is probably hoping to re hit next year and still push for 5 or 6 years at 120-160, on the basis of this years performance. So, he probably couldn't be had for 4/80 or something like that at the moment. And now it's simply too late in the season to not take something, as sitting out the whole year makes signing for real money next year impossible.

Is there any concrete reporting that indicates he received a multi-year offer from another team (or, for that matter, from the Astros) which he rejected because he thought he could do better?


There's basically never concrete reporting of contract offers, but the press rumours included a 2 year offer from Houston, and that he was unwilling to discuss less than five years with the Phillies.
   29. bobm Posted: June 09, 2019 at 12:36 PM (#5849785)
It reads like he took a 1 year deal to prove himself/push 2016 further back so he could (hopefully) sign a big money deal next year.

He could have done that earlier by signing with the Astros for more money and with better odds for his next contract, all by pitching a full spring training and 2019 season. IMO he and his agent misjudged the market and the value put to forfeiting draft picks.
   30. BrianBrianson Posted: June 09, 2019 at 01:43 PM (#5849798)
Yes, I think it's a given they misjudged the market.

But all the people here criticising their preferred team for not signing him to contracts it seems exceedingly likely he was unwilling to take are being pretty foolish. Why he signed with Atlanta isn't clear to me (should you try to sign with the best defensive team to put up gaudy-numbers and trick a silly GM?)

But once he'd misjudged the market, he couldn't travel back in time to take the Astros' qualifying offer. So it's existence is largely beside the point.
   31. base ball chick Posted: June 09, 2019 at 10:07 PM (#5849864)
i heard rumors about supposedly houston offering him 2 years but have not heard any official confirmation or any conformation from a few people i know (and yall don't)

what i DID hear is that they weren't interested in keeping him and the QO was all about the draft pick

it is now obvious that keuchel/boras thought there would actually be a market for keuchel and there just wasn't ANY. which, given the past, is really very surprising

who knows what the yankees actually offered him to sign in june, but i would bet he only wnted a 1 year deal so he could go back to FA not attached to a draft pick. the yankees are a great defensive team???

he obviously isn't interested in a team that actually wants to win or he wouldn't have signed with the braves
   32. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 10, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5850116)

The Braves don't want to win?

They won the division last year and are a game out of first right now.
   33. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 10, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5850118)

And the Braves have the former #1 prospect in baseball in CF (Acuna), the former #3 at SS (Swanson), #11 at 2B (Albies), #22 in LF (Riley), #s 25 and 72 in the rotation (Siroka and Fried), all 25 or younger.

Not to mention a guy who finished #4 in MVP voting last year (Freeman).
   34. bfan Posted: June 10, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5850174)
he obviously isn't interested in a team that actually wants to win or he wouldn't have signed with the braves


Only a team which is interested in winning would spend this amount for a guy for 4 months.
   35. base ball chick Posted: June 10, 2019 at 07:59 PM (#5850276)
Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 10, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5850116)

The Braves don't want to win


- i should be more clear

in mah not so umble opinyin, the braves are a real estate money making company and if the baseball team in the middle of all their ill gotten gains just happens to win, well whaddaya know. but i don't believe they care at all

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