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Friday, October 11, 2019

Braves loss vs. Dodgers loss: which was worse?

The Braves got shellacked in the first inning last night and lost. The Dodgers took a lead late into the game only to see their manager’s choices and their relief pitchers woof it, sending them to defeat as well.

Which was worse?

Both modes of defeat bring with it a certain form of misery.

For my part I sat, as a Braves fan, and watched my team cough up ten runs in the first inning, secure in the dreadful knowledge that the game was already lost. Most people could just turn it off, I suppose, but I felt it necessary both out of professional obligation and out of a certain sense of, I dunno, mourning, that I had to keep the game on for the next three hours. Because I’m also perpetually online it led to a rather extreme sort of nastiness on Twitter and in comment sections with recriminations, complaining and all other manner of ugliness being hurled about. It was a pretty dreadful experience.

 

 

QLE Posted: October 11, 2019 at 12:24 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: braves, dodgers, the agony of defeat

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   1. filihok Posted: October 11, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5889397)
I'm surprised how many people would prefer to get blown out.

Don't people watch sports *for* the drama. How can there be a thrill of victory without a real potential for the agony of defeat?

As a Dodger fan, I couldn't have asked for much more, with an obvious exception, out of that game.

There's the tension of a winner-take-all game. The heir apparent to Kershaw on the mound.
Things start of well with a scoreless inning.

Then the thrill a lead off home run

Then the frustration of the home run really being a double

Then the thrill of a two-run home run

Then the hope and real-ization of a "shut down inning"

Then another home run, a three-run lead, Hernandez dancing. Things are going well, but a lot of game left.

Then the minor ups and downs of the next few innings - tension growing as the game moves forward.

Then the drama of seeing Buehler starting to lose it, but surviving, then coming back out for another inning.

Then seeing Kershaw warming, and knowing/feeling that this isn't the right move. Then the relief when he K's Eaton.

Then hoping for more runs. Not getting them.

Then wondering why Kershaw is still in the game.

Then devastation. But, still hope.

Then nothing for the offense

Then pins and needles for Kelly's inning. He dominates.

Then a chance to walk-off. They don't

Then trepidation for another Kelly inning.

Then watching it all, predictably with each non-move, melt down.

Then almost no hope, but...maybe. Remember that 2017 World Series game 5?

Then it was over.


That was everything a sports game should be. It only could have been better with a win.

I think sport is like art. It should make you feel something. And that thing doesn't have to be good to be worthwhile.




But, not everyone thinks like I do. Not everyone is wired the same way as i am. I'm experience seeking. Other are pain avoiding.
So, it makes sense we would see the same game in a different way.


   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 11, 2019 at 02:47 PM (#5889411)
I'm surprised how many people would prefer to get blown out.
Some may have misunderstood the question.
   3. jmurph Posted: October 11, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5889419)
Don't people watch sports *for* the drama.

Only dramatic wins for the team you care about, but definitely not dramatic losses.
   4. Itchy Row Posted: October 11, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5889424)
I was at Game 5 in LA. I don't care about the Dodgers or Nats either way, so it was a lot of fun. A ten-run top of the first would have been fun in a different way.

As long as the White Sox stay irrelevant, there will just be a vague ongoing sense of misery, without any particular point that hurts more than any other. Since it doesn't matter who wins, baseball is just fun. That's what I keep telling myself.
   5. Zonk Has Two Faces, Both Laughing Posted: October 11, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5889425)
Hard to see how the Dodgers loss isn't worse....

The Braves are still a young team and one might, perhaps, be disappointed because (true or not) I imagine the thinking was on paper they were better, but not tremendously better, than the Cards... but it's a close enough matchup that I think you can say it went 5 and the decider turned into a laugher.... sucks, but pretty bog standard baseball stuff.

The Dodgers, OTOH, were - I think - fairly clearly the best NL team... they got pushed to 5.... and choked away a late lead in rather dramatic fashion.

As the fan of a team that is an expert in disappointment (or at least remembers such)? I could tsk-tsk and comfort myself with Next Year on the former.... the latter would hurt more.
   6. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: October 11, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5889429)
What's up with the Plaschkesque one sentence per paragraph posting style going on in this thread?
   7. rconn23 Posted: October 11, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5889454)
For me, it's the Braves in a runaway. I get that the Braves are a young team, but they were non-competitive on their home field in a deciding game. I mean, after one inning, there was no hope. That's as bad of a performance as I can remember.

   8. bunyon Posted: October 11, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5889459)
In the immediacy of the game, I think the Dodgers loss was worse. Long term, the Braves because of what rconn says in 7. Win the next six world series and people will be like, remember when you got obliterated in that game 5?
   9. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: October 11, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5889460)
To me the answer hinges on what you mean by "worse." To me the Dodgers is infinitely more painful, you've got it, you've got it, you've got it, ohcrapnoyoudon'twaitthatdidn'tjusthappen. It's just an awful awful feeling.

But it's more temporary than what happened to the Braves. Getting completely vaporized really makes the off-season frustrating. That one lingers. The Dodger loss is more excrutiating in the moment but in the long run it's the Braves that is worse.
   10. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 11, 2019 at 05:00 PM (#5889471)
But it's more temporary than what happened to the Braves. Getting completely vaporized really makes the off-season frustrating. That one lingers. The Dodger loss is more excrutiating in the moment but in the long run it's the Braves that is worse.
The loss also reinforces the decades long phenomena of the Braves most successful regular season era coinciding with an equally long period of postseason underperformance. That it ended in such spectacularly awful fashion this year has got to sting a bit.
   11. Tony S Posted: October 11, 2019 at 05:49 PM (#5889491)

Well, as an Astros fan I've experienced both versions. The 1980 and 1986 NLCS losses were excruciating when they happened, as were a couple of those division-series losses to the Braves in the Dierker era, but over time they still feel like some of the most memorable seasons in Astros history. That 1980 LCS against the Phillies remains one of the most thrilling ever, whatever the outcome.

I rarely think about the 2005 World Series.

   12. stevegamer Posted: October 11, 2019 at 10:55 PM (#5889616)
Only dramatic wins for the team you care about, but definitely not dramatic losses.


I have a friend who really doesn't even like dramatic wins, he much prefers nice safe blowouts. He has often said that he's anxious if the Eagles aren't leading by 2 scores, and I've seen him complain that the lead isn't big enough after they score on their first possesion. He's also a St. Louis Cardinals fan, and he doesn't really feel good until they have at least a 5 run lead.

   13. Red Voodooin Posted: October 11, 2019 at 11:17 PM (#5889648)
Fantastic post #1.
   14. Red Voodooin Posted: October 11, 2019 at 11:20 PM (#5889652)
EDIT: Double post
   15. pikepredator Posted: October 12, 2019 at 09:56 AM (#5889699)
I have a friend who really doesn't even like dramatic wins, he much prefers nice safe blowouts.


One of my best friends is a Jets fan. He can't relax unless they're behind.
   16. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 12, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5889729)
No question it's the Dodgers, given their high expectations and their recent LCS performances. Although watching them get blanked in the World Series might have been an even bigger bummer, so maybe the Nats just administered a mercy killing to spare them of that even worse fate.

The only time a loss in a postseason series can be somewhat bearable is if it's to a big favorite whose ace beats you in game 5 or 7 in his home park. Kind of like what happened to the Rays in game 5 of the Division Series.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2019 at 02:31 PM (#5889751)
No question it's the Dodgers, given their high expectations and their recent LCS performances.

Jeeze, I just can't see that. Losing close games is baseball. The Braves were absolutely humiliated.

G7 against the Sox in 2004 was much worse than G7 vs Arizona in 2001. The Yankees didn't even show up for the former.

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