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Sunday, January 24, 2021

Braves re-sign Pablo Sandoval

The Braves re-signed infielder Pablo Sandoval to a one-year, minor-league deal Sunday. The contract is worth $1 million, if he makes the major-league roster.

Sandoval, 34, joined the Braves late last season and spent most of the time working out at the team’s alternate training site in Gwinnett. He appeared in only one game in the regular season — the finale — but made the postseason roster as a bench player. He had four plate appearances, going 0-for-3 with a hit by pitch.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 24, 2021 at 10:39 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 25, 2021 at 12:02 AM (#6001524)
lol, why?
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 25, 2021 at 12:30 AM (#6001530)
spent most of the time working out
Mm hm.
   3. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: January 25, 2021 at 10:57 AM (#6001569)
He had four plate appearances,

I laughed.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 25, 2021 at 11:27 AM (#6001580)
He had four plate appearances,


And that was just the breakfast buffet at the hotel.
   5. Jack Sommers Posted: January 25, 2021 at 11:32 AM (#6001582)
Maybe if they restrict him to only DH/PH duties and never make him play the field where he'll get tuckered out they could get some value out of him.....but seems like a waste at this point

2018-2020 as DH/PH only
   6. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 25, 2021 at 11:35 AM (#6001583)
I remember the Braves using him as a pinch hitter at a critical juncture at one point in the NLCS and felt quite relieved that they decided to send somebody up who couldn’t hit anymore. He predictably made a quick out.
   7. Dock Ellis Posted: January 25, 2021 at 02:05 PM (#6001653)
good for him, he makes baseball more fun whether he stinks or not.
   8. bfan Posted: January 25, 2021 at 05:44 PM (#6001694)
He had four plate appearances,

And that was just the breakfast buffet at the hotel.


That is very funny.
   9. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 25, 2021 at 10:15 PM (#6001734)

I can’t believe he’s only 34.
   10. Howie Menckel Posted: January 25, 2021 at 10:59 PM (#6001738)
I can’t believe he’s only 34.

I'd have figured a 42 - or maybe a 40 with a "relaxed fit."
   11. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 26, 2021 at 08:22 AM (#6001764)
Pablo Sandoval has made $113.6 million in his career, and he is 34 years old.

After taxes, that's what, $60+ million?

After meals, that's...uh oh.
   12. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: January 26, 2021 at 08:27 AM (#6001766)
good for him, he makes baseball more fun whether he stinks or not.


I disagree. As a Red Sox fan I'm biased here a bit obviously but being fat doesn't automatically make someone fun. He's a lazy player who isn't very good. He's not David Wells or CC Sabathia or John Kruk who may have been fat but actually could play. The guy who can't field and can't run and has an OPS+ of 83 since 2015 isn't fun in any way.
   13. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 26, 2021 at 09:10 AM (#6001775)
I disagree. As a Red Sox fan I'm biased here a bit obviously but being fat doesn't automatically make someone fun. He's a lazy player who isn't very good. He's not David Wells or CC Sabathia or John Kruk who may have been fat but actually could play. The guy who can't field and can't run and has an OPS+ of 83 since 2015 isn't fun in any way.


Agreed. The dude literally broke his belt flailing at a pitch. That's only funny when someone does it in beer league softball. In professional baseball it is just sad.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2021 at 09:49 AM (#6001785)

I disagree. As a Red Sox fan I'm biased here a bit obviously but being fat doesn't automatically make someone fun. He's a lazy player who isn't very good. He's not David Wells or CC Sabathia or John Kruk who may have been fat but actually could play. The guy who can't field and can't run and has an OPS+ of 83 since 2015 isn't fun in any way.


Yeah. Fat and good is fun. Fat and bad means you don't care. Losing weight is hard for average people, but not for rich people who can have a private chef/dietician, and can spend their whole day on it.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 26, 2021 at 10:22 AM (#6001793)
I disagree. As a Red Sox fan I'm biased here a bit obviously but being fat doesn't automatically make someone fun.
Yeah. Fat and good is fun. Fat and bad means you don't care.
Hey now, you guys loved late-career Bartolo Colon, didn't you? And he only had one good year from 2014 on.
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: January 26, 2021 at 10:25 AM (#6001794)
Hey now, you guys loved late-career Bartolo Colon, didn't you? And he only had one good year from 2014 on.
Yes, but he had oldness. Fat+Bad+Old swings back around to fun.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2021 at 10:35 AM (#6001796)
Hey now, you guys loved late-career Bartolo Colon, didn't you? And he only had one good year from 2014 on.

He was only really bad in 2017. Positive WAR the other years.
   18. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 26, 2021 at 10:35 AM (#6001797)
In his first stint with the Giants, a notably plus-sized Sandoval still put up a 123 OPS+, while accumulating 3.8 WAR per 650 PA. The Boston fat-shamers must have somehow ruined him.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2021 at 10:51 AM (#6001801)
In his first stint with the Giants, a notably plus-sized Sandoval still put up a 123 OPS+, while accumulating 3.8 WAR per 650 PA. The Boston fat-shamers must have somehow ruined him.

Oh c'mon. It's absurdly common that someone can carry weight at 25, that they can't at 32. That's what everyone was saying when Boston signed him. The Moo Vaughn comparisons were everywhere.
   20. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 26, 2021 at 11:06 AM (#6001804)
Maybe the last 5 pounds suddenly did him in, but Sandoval arrived in Boston for his age-28 season. I’ll leave it to others to investigate whether he was bigger in Boston from the beginning of his tenure, but my somewhat vague recollection was that it only became an issue when his performance did.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2021 at 11:12 AM (#6001807)
Maybe the last 5 pounds suddenly did him in, but Sandoval arrived in Boston for his age-28 season. I’ll leave it to others to investigate whether he was bigger in Boston from the beginning of his tenure, but my somewhat vague recollection was that it only became an issue when his performance did.

Do you really think carrying an extra 60 lbs doesn't hurt an athlete's performance? Dude is listed at 5'10 268 lbs. That's absurdly fat for an athlete. I'm 6'2 225 lbs and I could stand to lose 15 lbs.

It caught up with Sandoval earlier than expected, but everyone expected it.
   22. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: January 26, 2021 at 11:29 AM (#6001811)
I don't think it "suddenly" did him in either. His OPS+ his last four years in San Francisco went 155-123-116-111. This is a guy who was benched as a rookie for not being in shape, the idea that having just landed $100 million guaranteed he would turn into a bit of a lazy slug wasn't exactly a shocker.

EDIT: Also the idea that a former World Series MVP got a bit more rope in the city he won that award shouldn't be a big surprise.

Oddly it was Sandoval that really highlighted for me how well conditioned baseball players are. One off-season after saying "no no really, I'm getting shape" he tweeted out some photos and he looked in really good shape. A few weeks later he showed up at spring training and he looked the same but when you saw him next to the other players you could tell he simply was not in any kind of meaningfully good shape.
   23. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 26, 2021 at 11:53 AM (#6001815)
Maybe the last 5 pounds suddenly did him in, but Sandoval arrived in Boston for his age-28 season. I’ll leave it to others to investigate whether he was bigger in Boston from the beginning of his tenure, but my somewhat vague recollection was that it only became an issue when his performance did.


It became an issue after Sandoval's first shitty year with the Sox. They were very public with their requests for him to slim down...which he did not.
   24. Dock Ellis Posted: January 26, 2021 at 12:05 PM (#6001817)
There is a difference between not losing weight because you're lazy and having a serious eating disorder. He has no problem putting in the work that a professional athlete needs to do; he has a problem with eating habits that offsets the work he puts in.

I root for Pablo and hope he does well.
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 26, 2021 at 12:38 PM (#6001822)
There is a difference between not losing weight because you're lazy and having a serious eating disorder. He has no problem putting in the work that a professional athlete needs to do; he has a problem with eating habits that offsets the work he puts in.

I root for Pablo and hope he does well.


There's not really any evidence there that he has a "disorder" versus he just likes to binge on food. Food tastes good.

Either way, it's on him to stop. It appears he's had a lot of offers of help. Eating yourself out of the game isn't any better than drinking or "coking" yourself out. I don't recall a lot of sympathy for guys who have done that.
   26. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: January 26, 2021 at 01:03 PM (#6001833)
There is a difference between not losing weight because you're lazy and having a serious eating disorder. He has no problem putting in the work that a professional athlete needs to do; he has a problem with eating habits that offsets the work he puts in.


If he has a serious eating disorder that's a shame. It doesn't change the fact that there is nothing fun about watching him flail about.
   27. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 26, 2021 at 02:02 PM (#6001844)
As someone who has family with diagnosed eating disorders, I have seen the pain and difficulty of struggling with significant weight gain and loss due to such diagnosed disorders. I am not aware of anything diagnosed in Sandoval's case, though I would imagine that he would make that public through the team if he did have such a clinical diagnosis. I am very reluctant to judge without knowing such things.

However, as a lifelong sports fan, I have seen so many professional athletes (and big-time college athletes with a real chance of making it in the pros) who basically ate themselves out of millions of dollars of likely earnings, because they just couldn't get their fitness under control.

In so many cases, you hear it sports talk radio social media, conversations with friends, and your own instincts: If my career was athletics, and my entire livelihood hinged on my ability to perform athletically, I would obviously be in unbelievable shape.

It seems so obvious that many of us dream of being pro athletes, and a select few are good enough to actually do it...and to think that you are one of those few, and then you don't try to get as strong as you can, as lean as you can, as fast as you can, as skilled as you can, for as long as you can...well, it seems like anybody in that amazing position who then goes off the deep end on their fitness (Pablo Sandoval, Shawn Kemp in the NBA, etc.) must have an undiagnosed eating disorder (which is, clinically, a form of mental illness which has very real physical consequences). I'm not talking about slowly getting softer because you are 38 instead of 22. I mean Shawn Kemp and Pablo Sandoval.

Relatedly, I'm surprised more athletes - including elite athletes - don't go all the way on this stuff like Tom Brady does. I mean, he is 43 years old, was probably one of the five best QBs in the league at season's end, hasn't missed a game due to injury in 20 years except for the torn ACL 2008 season, and is making an extra $30 million a year at this point because he invested so heavily in himself to try to stay in the best shape possible. It helps to be Tom Brady, but this would seem to be much more doable in baseball, where the risk of career-ending injury is much lower.

Anyway, the Sandoval stuff regarding his struggle with weight has always been kind of sad to me, because I think he almost certainly has an undiagnosed mental illness in the form of an eating disorder.
   28. Jay Seaver Posted: January 26, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6001847)
Eating yourself out of the game isn't any better than drinking or "coking" yourself out. I don't recall a lot of sympathy for guys who have done that.


There's enough to cut down on the jokes, at least.

I've kind of got no idea how much Sandoval has something that you'd recognize as an eating disorder versus just liking to eat versus the sort of chemistry that makes it much easier to put on weight when you age. As a Sox fan, I can say that, no, it really wasn't fun watching him stink in large part because he wasn't physically what he needed to be (no matter how much control he had over that), and I found it all the more frustrating because I don't know how much to hold it against him. Mostly I blame the front-office which prioritized perceived marketability over decreasing performance and a red-flag body type.

I do find it interesting that San Francisco and Atlanta have both decided he was worth bringing back, which suggests to me that his attitude and work ethic are probably pretty decent, considering how sub-replacement-level a player he is these days, or at least that they feel that they have better systems for handling such issues than Boston did.
   29. bachslunch Posted: January 26, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6001848)
The Moo Vaughn comparisons were everywhere.

I saw what you did there.

Not sure if this signing can be seen as pandaring to the lowest common denominator, but it bears noting.
   30. GregD Posted: January 26, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6001849)
That’s all well stated.

You hint at one other potential explanation for some of these guys.

Some of them may not actually want to be professional athletes. And yet also understandably be unable to do anything else.

A friend in sports says there is some percentage who are eerily happier as soon as they retire. To the point where you wonder if they’re ever actually wanted this at all.

You mention how many regular guys dream of being pros but lack the ability. But there are some people have the ability and don’t have the dream. Brian Williams/Bison Dele

That said Sandoval does seem to truly enjoy baseball so presumably this isn’t his motivation. Nor is money at this point. I think of him as one of those pickup guys who’s smoking before games and drifting in hungover and half asleep but light up when it starts. Some people just love to play in all sense of the words
   31. asinwreck Posted: January 27, 2021 at 09:15 AM (#6002107)
Do not slander post-2014 Bartolo Colón. His power production spiked in that period.
   32. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: January 27, 2021 at 09:23 AM (#6002111)
Do not slander post-2014 Bartolo Colón. His power production spiked in that period.


So you're saying Bartolo Colon was on the juice!
   33. asinwreck Posted: January 27, 2021 at 09:31 AM (#6002114)

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