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Braves surging, and improved Robbie Grossman is a reason Marcell Ozuna already was benched - The Athletic

This is not a ringing endorsement of the Tigers’ coaching and player development.

When they got outfielder Robbie Grossman from Detroit in a trade-deadline swap for minor-leaguer Kris Anglin, the Braves were thinking strictly platoon with Grossman, a switch hitter who had struggled mightily this season against right-handers.

Soon after the trade, however, analysts from Braves baseball operations presented video to hitting coach Kevin Seitzer that showed what Grossman was doing differently from past seasons when he’d thrived against righties. The outlook started to change.

If Grossman saw the same things they were seeing and was willing to work right away on adjustments, Seitzer and the Braves analytics experts thought he might be more than a right-handed hitting platoon player to share left-field duties with Eddie Rosario, as originally planned.

To say that it’s worked as hoped would be an understatement. Grossman hit .205 with a .595 OPS and two home runs and 90 strikeouts in 273 at-bats with Detroit, including .143 (28-for-196) with one homer left-handed. But in 11 games with the Braves before Friday, he hit .286 (8-for-28) with two homers and a .965 OPS, including 6-for-18 from the left side.

jimfurtado Posted: August 21, 2022 at 12:13 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: August 21, 2022 at 05:25 PM (#6092494)
Or Grossman had one of those "inexplicable" slumps (soem of which no doubt are due to getting out of whack) or he's had a hot 28 ABs. Grossman put up a full-season 87 OPS+ back in 2019, this hot streak gets this season up to 82. Now if he keeps posting a 130 OPS+ with the Braves then get back to me.

But sure, if Detroit didn't detect what he was doing differently, that's not a good sign.
   2. sunday silence (again) Posted: August 21, 2022 at 05:56 PM (#6092504)
platoon differentials are hard to figure with the limited data pts Grossman mashed RHP in 2019, the last two years its reversed. Weird.
   3. John Northey Posted: August 22, 2022 at 01:10 AM (#6092546)
Might be seeing why Detroit is a last place team in a very weak division while Atlanta is the defending WS champs, and the 3rd best team in the NL right now.
   4. sanny manguillen Posted: August 22, 2022 at 08:46 AM (#6092559)
Grossman will be 33 in a month. He was 29-19 as a base stealer in his 20s. In his 30s, he's 31-7.
   5. McCoy Posted: August 22, 2022 at 11:34 AM (#6092574)
John Mabry
   6. GregD Posted: August 22, 2022 at 12:35 PM (#6092587)
Totally believable the Tigers see screwed up. But also seems like a small sample size issue

I was baffled when the Tigers gave him his contract. It seemed to me like they were putting too much stock in his (obviously short) 2020. But they got a better 2021 from Grossman than anyone could have expected. If they sabotaged him it didn’t surface during the career year he gave them in 2021
   7. Walt Davis Posted: August 22, 2022 at 04:50 PM (#6092632)
He was 29-19 as a base stealer in his 20s. In his 30s, he's 31-7.

That doesn't seem that unusual to me. Experience; getting slower but then being more selective about when you go; plus random stuff like whether your manager likes to hit and run.

Leaving aside "real" base-stealers ... the first few guys I checked (and come cherry-picking) ... Pujols at ages 21-28 was 45-26; from 29-36 he was 62-15. Did you know Goldschmidt once stole 32 bases? Anyway for 21-28 he went a very healthy 99-23; since then 46-10 (which is about the same %age, much lower attempt rate). Freeman 37-18 through 28; 26-8 the last 4 years. Nelson Cruz (who once stole 20!) was 43-13 through 29, just 32-18 for 30-36 ... and 8-1 since including 4-0 this year at 41. :-) Rizzo 57-33 through 29; 15-6 since. Miggy 29-17 through 28; 11-4 since.

With age comes wisdom (and exits speed) and you only run when you know you can make it or you're ordered to.
   8. sunday silence (again) Posted: August 22, 2022 at 06:34 PM (#6092657)
add Sterling Marte to that list. He twice led the league in CS, but once he turned 30 he has dialed back the attempts and has a higher success rate.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: August 22, 2022 at 08:04 PM (#6092678)
Yeah but he's a big-time base-stealer, different kettle of fish. Which isn't to say it's not the same process just that "lumbering corner player gets better as base-stealer" is the more "surprising" category. In that kettle, I assume the king is still Davey Lopes. Davey set the consecutive steals record (I think since broken) at something like 39-40.

Somebody was asking about Nelson Cruz's 30s in some thread and that he must be among the best ever. I'm sure he is (certainly in HR). The top WTF 30s guys that spring to mind are Stargell, Beltre, Ortiz, Edgar, Kent, Clemente (although maybe that's more "had a late breakout then never went back." There's also Paul Molitor who didn't so much get better in his 30s as transform from a fragile guy to an iron horse (and maintained his skill level). And heaps of pitchers but especially Randy Johnson and Warren Spahn. But I assume Nelson's 30s will be a reasonable comp to those sluggers.

The inner circle of course is guys who have that kind of 30s after having great 20s. (OK, the Unit is in the inner circle ... and Trout's in the inner circle no matter how his 30s go.)

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