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Sunday, April 28, 2019

Brett Anderson becomes first pitcher to face both Vladimir Guerrero and Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

Brett Anderson is 31 years of age, so he’s not that old.

But he made his major league debut in 2009 at age 21, pitching for four different teams, so he has faced his fair amount of batters.

On Saturday when he started against the Toronto Blue Jays for the Oakland Atheletics, Anderson had the distinct honor of being the first pitcher to face both Vladimir Guerrero and his son, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., who made his much-anticipated big league debut on Friday.

Pondering two different points in connection with this:

1) How many pitchers have a chance to have pitched against both the Vladimirs Guerrero;

2) How this would compare to other father-son duos- I suspect the Griffeys would hold this record, but I could well be wrong.

 

QLE Posted: April 28, 2019 at 04:30 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: brett anderson, vladimir guerrero, vladimir guerrero jr.

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   1. Rally Posted: April 28, 2019 at 07:14 AM (#5836023)
On 9-14-1990 Kirk McCaskill allowed a homer to Ken Griffey Sr. One batter later, he had allowed homers to both father and son.
   2. Itchy Row Posted: April 28, 2019 at 07:28 AM (#5836024)
Pitchers are so weak nowadays. Back in 2009, Brett Anderson had to pitch for four teams during his debut just to make ends meet.
   3. Hysterical & Useless Posted: April 28, 2019 at 08:10 AM (#5836031)
Ray Boone last played in 1960; Bob debuted in September of '72 and last played in 1990. Bret debuted only 2 years later, August of '92 and Aaron in June of 97. Likely some overlap among them.

Rats, I'm on my way out now, can't check specific pitchers or other combos (eg the Bells). Somebody? Anybody?
   4. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: April 28, 2019 at 08:20 AM (#5836034)
The Blue Jays were having fun.
(Tenna-shoop, wah-ooo.)
The ballgame had just begun.
(Tenna-shoop, wah-ooo.)
The guests included Grichek,
(Tenna-shoop, wah-ooo.)
Vladimir and his son.
   5. Itchy Row Posted: April 28, 2019 at 08:59 AM (#5836036)
The first to pitch to both Bondses was Tom Niedenfuer, who pitched to Bobby in 1981 and to Barry in Barry’s first game.
   6. Dolf Lucky Posted: April 28, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5836039)
If I remember correctly, Bartolo Colon faced all three generations of the Bell family.
   7. I Am Not a Number Posted: April 28, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5836043)
If I remember correctly, Bartolo Colon faced all three generations of the Bell family.

And Colon predated the arrival of the telephone, invented by Graham Alexander Bell. Now you know the rest of the story.
   8. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 28, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5836058)
Justin Smoak is the only person to start a game on the same team with both Vlad and Vlad Jr.
   9. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 28, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5836059)
I have to believe that Nolan Ryan faced a lot of fathers and sons.

The Alomars, the Bonds, the Griffeys, the McRaes...I'm sure there are many more.
   10. Greg Pope Posted: April 28, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5836063)
Griffeys actually played on the same team. Looks like Sr got 51 games with Seattle so there were probably a lot of pitchers that faced them both in the same game. Also, with their careers actually overlapping, there had to be a ton to face both. On the other hand, without interleague play, it may not be so many.

Still, the Griffeys have to be the favorite going in.
   11. Man o' Schwar Posted: April 28, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5836075)
1) How many pitchers have a chance to have pitched against both the Vladimirs Guerrero;

Quick search:

Verlander, Sale, Price, Greinke, Felix Hernandez, Sabathia, Lester, Scherzer, Ervin Santana.

I'm sure there are more.
   12. bobm Posted: April 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM (#5836078)
Vladimir Guerrero: From 1996 to 2011, Active Players, Regular Season only, Sorted by PA descending, Then by Name ascending

                                                                           
Name                    PA AB  H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO    BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
Felix Hernandez         64 61 16  1  0  3  10  2 15  .262  .297  .426  .723
Gio Gonzalez            31 29  7  1  0  0   2  1  6  .241  .290  .276  .566
CC Sabathia             26 24  5  1  0  1   3  1  6  .208  .231  .375  .606
Chad Gaudin             24 23 10  1  0  4   9  1  3  .435  .458 1.000 1.458
Jon Lester              24 22  5  1  0  1   2  2  2  .227  .292  .409  .701
Justin Verlander        23 23  9  1  0  0   1  0  2  .391  .391  .435  .826
Wade Davis              20 19  5  1  0  1   2  1  1  .263  .300  .474  .774
David Price             20 18  4  0  0  0   0  2  3  .222  .300  .222  .522
Edwin Jackson           19 19  6  1  0  1   2  0  2  .316  .316  .526  .842
Ervin Santana           18 17  4  0  0  0   2  1  1  .235  .278  .235  .513
Zack Greinke            17 14  5  0  0  2   7  2  2  .357  .412  .786 1.197
Brandon Morrow          15 13  3  0  0  0   0  2  2  .231  .333  .231  .564
Trevor Cahill           14 11  2  0  0  0   0  3  1  .182  .357  .182  .539
Derek Holland           14 14  4  1  0  0   0  0  2  .286  .286  .357  .643
Fernando Rodney         14 13  4  2  0  0   0  1  1  .308  .357  .462  .819
Jason Vargas            14 14  4  2  0  0   1  0  1  .286  .286  .429  .714
Clay Buchholz           13 13  7  0  0  0   2  0  0  .538  .538  .538 1.077
Rick Porcello           12 11  3  1  0  0   1  0  3  .273  .333  .364  .697
Francisco Liriano       10 10  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .100  .100  .100  .200
Edinson Volquez         10  9  3  1  0  1   2  1  0  .333  .400  .778 1.178
Jorge De La Rosa         9  9  2  0  0  1   1  0  0  .222  .222  .556  .778
Jeremy Hellickson        9  8  1  0  0  0   0  1  1  .125  .222  .125  .347
Ivan Nova                9  9  6  2  0  2   3  0  0  .667  .667 1.556 2.222
Max Scherzer             9  9  4  1  0  2   4  0  2  .444  .444 1.222 1.667
Brett Cecil              8  8  6  1  0  0   5  0  0  .750  .750  .875 1.625
David Hernandez          8  8  3  0  0  1   2  0  0  .375  .375  .750 1.125
Guillermo Moscoso        8  8  2  1  0  0   2  0  0  .250  .250  .375  .625
Wil Ledezma              7  5  1  0  0  1   1  2  0  .200  .429  .800 1.229
Darren ODay              7  5  2  0  0  0   0  1  1  .400  .571  .400  .971
David Robertson          7  7  2  0  0  0   1  0  4  .286  .286  .286  .571
Marc Rzepczynski         7  6  1  0  0  0   0  1  2  .167  .286  .167  .452
Henderson Alvarez III    6  6  3  0  0  0   0  0  0  .500  .500  .500 1.000
Jake Arrieta             6  6  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .167  .167  .167  .333
Homer Bailey             6  5  1  0  0  0   1  0  2  .200  .167  .200  .367
Tommy Hunter             6  6  3  1  0  1   2  0  1  .500  .500 1.167 1.667
Luis Mendoza             6  5  2  0  0  1   2  0  0  .400  .500 1.000 1.500
Oliver Perez             6  6  2  1  0  0   2  0  0  .333  .333  .500  .833
Matt Albers              5  4  2  0  0  0   2  1  0  .500  .600  .500 1.100
Brett Anderson           5  5  1  0  0  0   1  0  0  .200  .200  .200  .400
Felix Doubront           5  4  1  0  0  0   0  1  1  .250  .400  .250  .650
Brian Duensing           5  5  4  1  0  1   2  0  0  .800  .800 1.600 2.400
Andrew Miller            5  4  0  0  0  0   0  1  0  .000  .200  .000  .200
Joakim Soria             5  3  2  0  0  1   1  2  0  .667  .800 1.667 2.467
Francisco Rodriguez      4  4  2  0  0  1   2  0  0  .500  .500 1.250 1.750
Joe Smith                4  4  1  0  0  0   0  0  1  .250  .250  .250  .500
Jose Valverde            4  2  0  0  0  0   0  1  0  .000  .500  .000  .500
Hector Ambriz            3  3  1  0  0  1   2  0  2  .333  .333 1.333 1.667
Danny Duffy              3  3  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .333  .333  .333  .667
Zach Duke                3  3  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .333  .333  .333  .667
Edgar Gonzalez           3  3  1  0  0  0   1  0  0  .333  .333  .333  .667
Cole Hamels              3  3  1  0  0  0   0  0  1  .333  .333  .333  .667
Jason Hammel             3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Rich Hill                3  3  1  0  0  1   2  0  0  .333  .333 1.333 1.667
Shawn Kelley             3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Clayton Kershaw          3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Charlie Morton           3  3  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .333  .333  .333  .667
Ricky Nolasco            3  3  1  0  0  1   1  0  0  .333  .333 1.333 1.667
Michael Pineda           3  3  2  0  0  0   0  0  0  .667  .667  .667 1.333
Tyson Ross               3  3  2  0  0  0   1  0  0  .667  .667  .667 1.333
Josh Tomlin              3  3  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000  .000
Jordan Zimmermann        3  3  1  0  0  1   2  0  0  .333  .333 1.333 1.667
Jerry Blevins            2  2  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .500  .500  .500 1.000
Tyler Clippard           2  2  1  1  0  0   1  0  0  .500  .500 1.000 1.500
Neftali Feliz            2  2  2  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Greg Holland             2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Jeremy Jeffress          2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Ian Kennedy              2  2  2  0  0  0   1  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Logan Ondrusek           2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Fernando Salas           2  2  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Chris Sale               2  2  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .500  .500  .500 1.000
Tony Sipp                2  2  2  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Anthony Swarzak          2  2  1  0  0  0   0  0  0  .500  .500  .500 1.000
Ronald Belisario         1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000  .000
Aroldis Chapman          1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000  .000
Tyler Chatwood           1  1  1  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Cory Gearrin             1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Michael Kohn             1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000
Lance Lynn               1  1  1  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Matt Moore               1  1  1  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Pat Neshek               1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  1  .000  .000  .000  .000
Hector Noesi             1  1  1  0  0  0   0  0  0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Drew Storen              1  1  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  .000  .000  .000  .000


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 4/28/2019.
   13. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 28, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5836081)
Diego Segui pitched in the second game ever at Sicks Field, the first game ever at the Kingdome, and his son David played in the first game ever at Safeco field.
   14. bobm Posted: April 28, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5836082)
[9]

Per Wikipedia, Nolan Ryan faced and struck out these fathers and sons:

Sandy Sr & Roberto/Sandy Jr Alomar
Bobby & Barry Bonds
Tito & Terry Francona
Ken Sr & Ken Jr Griffey
Hal & Brian McRae
Dick Sr & Dick Jr Schofield
Maury & Bump Wills
   15. QLE Posted: April 28, 2019 at 03:15 PM (#5836121)
On the other hand, without interleague play, it may not be so many.


Between the 1982 season and June of 1986, Ken Griffey Sr. was a Yankee, so there would presumably still be a good number of pitchers who faced him still in the American League in April of 1989, when Ken Griffey Jr. reached the majors.

But, yes, it's that overlap that makes me suspect they'd have the lead- the only other example I can think of where both father and son were in MLB at the same time is the Raines, and Tim Raines Jr. only had 174 plate appearances in the majors.
   16. Hank Gillette Posted: April 28, 2019 at 03:19 PM (#5836123)
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used


I’m trying to get up to speed on the Baseball Reference Play Index, so I clicked on the link. I was expecting to be able to see the actual search you used, but it took me to the Play Index Home page instead. Is that what it normally does?
   17. Walt Davis Posted: April 28, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5836130)
I thought there might be somebody who pitched to both Griffeys as rookies but it doesn't look that way. Sutton retired the year before, Doyle Alexander and Ryan were in the AL when Sr was a rookie.

And woo-hoo ... Sr was still a rookie in 1974 per b-r when he faced Charlie Hough who also faced Jr in 1989. Sr was 0-2 with no Ks, Jr was 3-9 with a HR and no Ks.
   18. mathesond Posted: April 28, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5836131)
Joakim Soria is about to be the 2nd pitcher to face both Guerreros (Sr: 2 for 3 with a home run, per the Jays announcers)

Edit: Vladdy singles on a 3-0 pitch
   19. bobm Posted: April 28, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5836133)
   20. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 28, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5836194)
Edit: Vladdy singles on a 3-0 pitch

You don't walk off the island after your father didn't walk off the island.

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