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Sunday, November 14, 2021

Brewers acquire INF Brosseau from Rays

The Brewers have acquired infielder Mike Brosseau from the Rays for right-hander Evan Reifert.

With 62 games of experience at second base, 52 at third and 23 at first, Brosseau will provide infield depth for Milwaukee, possibly taking the role occupied by Jace Peterson in 2021. Peterson is still under team control, but he’s heading into his final arbitration year and is a potential non-tender candidate this offseason.

Brosseau, 27, has four years of club control remaining. He’s a lifetime .245/.311/.438 hitter (106 OPS+) with 16 homers over 409 plate appearances, but he hit .187 with five homers and a .613 OPS (74 OPS+) across 169 plate appearances for Tampa Bay in 2021.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 14, 2021 at 11:34 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. SoSH U at work Posted: November 15, 2021 at 09:38 AM (#6052938)
Brosseau was never drafted. I wonder how rare it is for American-born players to reach the big leagues without getting drafted at any point in their amateur careers.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 15, 2021 at 09:58 AM (#6052943)
Dan Quisenberry and Frank White with the Royals.
   3. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: November 15, 2021 at 09:58 AM (#6052944)
The immediate example that comes to mind is Darren O'Day, who was a nothing prospect coming out of high school and was never drafted during his time in college. On the other hand, he was a Rule 5 draftee.
   4. Nasty Nate Posted: November 15, 2021 at 10:01 AM (#6052945)
  2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 15, 2021 at 09:58 AM (#6052943)
Dan Quisenberry and Frank White with the Royals.
I randomly was thinking about Quisenberry last week. Why did they wait so long to promote him to the big leagues? Is it considered a blunder - given that he might have helped them squeak out a pennant during those years?
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 15, 2021 at 10:07 AM (#6052946)
According to BA, notable undrafted players that were subject to the draft other than the ones mentioned here.

Bruce Sutter, Bobby Bonilla, Brian Downing, Kevin Mitchell, Toby Harrah, Larry Bowa, Eric Gagne, Danny Darwin, Bobby Watson, Kent Tekulve, Bob Ojeda, Ken Hill, Andre Thornton, Mike Bordick, Tom Herr, Esteban Loaiza, Andy Ashby, Bernard Gilkey, Heath Bell, Bengie Molina, John Montefusco, Bryan Harvey, Claudell Washington, Jeffrey Leonard, Gary Ward, Ron LeFlore, Bob Brenley, Ricky Bottalico, Kirby Yates, Jim Colborn, Heathcliff Slocumb, Joe Jimenez, Bill Campbell, Jim Bibby, Al Holland, Matt Shoemaker, Paul Assenmacher, John Axford, Tim Collins, Andrew Kitteridge, Tom Niedenfeuer, Mark Portugal, Ken Oberkfell, Dan Driessen, Art Howe, Jack Howell, Rod Barajas, Mike Redmond, Jim Leyritz, Dan Gladden, Bobby Kielty
   6. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: November 15, 2021 at 11:49 AM (#6052956)
Ryan Hanigan was never drafted. Not sure how notable he is, but, he did spend 11 years in mlb.
   7. tonywagner Posted: November 15, 2021 at 12:16 PM (#6052958)
Randy Dobnak is a recent undrafted example -- doesn't have much of a MLB career so far, but he's already signed an (admittedly cheap) extension through 2025, with team options through 2028.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: November 15, 2021 at 12:34 PM (#6052962)
Thanks. It's far more than I would have guessed, given how many rounds there have been in the draft.

I've followed Brosseau because he went to HS with the oldest Unacceptable boy.
   9. Ron J Posted: November 15, 2021 at 02:06 PM (#6052972)
#4 Sidearm pitchers have always been regarded with suspicion. Basically the attitude was (and still is to an extent) that it's kind of a trick pitch that'll fool minor leaguers but will eventually be exposed by big league hitters.

And you can see the truth of this. After 11 years Quiz could no longer fool big leaguers.

But there's a secondary point. He didn't exactly dominate at AAA. He was called up mostly through process of elimination. Renie Martin and Gary Christenson were effective despite poor command of the strike zone and that makes those guys obvious candidates to stay at AAA.

   10. Rally Posted: November 15, 2021 at 02:22 PM (#6052975)
That list in #5 makes me think Mike Piazza didn’t necessarily owe his career to a late round, token nepotism pick from the Dodgers.

Unless he gave up and went home to sell cars in his dad’s dealership, sooner or later somebody would have seen him hit.
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 15, 2021 at 02:25 PM (#6052976)
Frank White went undrafted because his high school didn't have a baseball team, although he played in a KC amateur summer league. I wonder if there are more guys, particularly in inner cities, that had talent but fell through the cracks for reasons like that.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: November 15, 2021 at 02:43 PM (#6052978)
T.J. Friedl is not notable yet, but did debut last year.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: November 15, 2021 at 03:39 PM (#6052989)
But there's a secondary point. He didn't exactly dominate at AAA. He was called up mostly through process of elimination. Renie Martin and Gary Christenson were effective despite poor command of the strike zone and that makes those guys obvious candidates to stay at AAA.
I meant even before that - he was dominating in 1976-1978 in AA and was young enough that rushing him would have been a worry.
   14. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: November 15, 2021 at 04:04 PM (#6052999)
How many guys who came up in that era were true relievers even in the minors like Quiz was? I don't know the answer. Just a quick look at some of the guys atop the 1982 save list;

Rollie Fingers - Starter
Rich Gossage - Starter
Bill Caudill - Starter
Ron Davis - Mix leaning toward reliever
Dan Spillner - Starter
Salome Barojas - Reliever in Mexico
Tippy Martinez - Reliever
Bob Stanley - Starter
Mark Clear - Mix leaning toward starter

All of those guys save Barojas had a bunch of starts. Tippy Martinez even made 14 minor league starts his last year in the minors. Quiz by contrast made one (1) his first year in the minors and that's it. Gotta think that as much as the submarine style probably had something to do with it.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: November 15, 2021 at 04:21 PM (#6053010)
How many guys who came up in that era were true relievers even in the minors like Quiz was? ...

All of those guys save Barojas had a bunch of starts. Tippy Martinez even made 14 minor league starts his last year in the minors. Quiz by contrast made one (1) his first year in the minors and that's it. Gotta think that as much as the submarine style probably had something to do with it.
That's why I was curious. They decided on his role right away, but apparently weren't super eager to test it at high levels.
   16. Walt Davis Posted: November 16, 2021 at 01:04 AM (#6053071)
#5: Some of those names make me suspect there was something else going on -- i.e. they weren't draft eligible for some reason, everybody assumed they'd play football, they were hurt their senior year? Toby Harrah can't possibly have snuck up on anybody -- he debuted at 20, made the majors for good at 22. Wiki tells us that (perhaps not too wisely) everybody thought Harrah was taking a college scholarship and it wasn't until the fall that a Phillies scout found out he wasn't enrolled and signed him. Still the Sens managed to draft him away from the Phils so he can't have been that high on the Phillies prospect chart (not that they had such a thing at the time I don't imagine).

Thornton is another guy it's shocking nobody was willing to draft (Wiki offers no clues). The 67 draft was apparently just 24 rounds and he was just 17. Strangely enough, he was grabbed by the Phillies too -- doubly shocking because, per b-r, not a single Phils' 67 draft pick made the majors. In the 66 draft, only one guy briefly made the majors with -0.4 WAR. So two completely empty drafts but the Phils signed Harrah and Thornton (neither debuted with the Phils).

And there's Claudell Washington. Wiki doesn't say anything interesting about him either but here's a guy who held his own in the majors at 19 and was an all-star at 20. We might think racism but that wouldn't explain Harrah, Downing and others. I think incompetence is our safe bet here.

Sutter looks to have been a loophole of some sort. According to Wiki he was drafted in 1970 but chose to go to Old Dominion instead. He was not drafted in 71 (but did he "declare") and the Cubs signed him in Sept 71 after just 1 year of college. I'm not sure you can get away with that these days ... can you if you declare and go undrafted? Looks like he pitched all of 2 games of rookie ball in 72 and got hurt which nearly ended his career. By the way, Sutter was pretty much a pure reliever in the minors (it was quite rare at the time) but I don't think anybody thought his arm could handle starting plus he just had the one trick pitch really.

I'm sure I knew Downing's story at the time -- pretty amazing. Cut by his high school team, only the bullpen C at powerhouse Cypress College. He went to one of those "come tryout" things for the Sox and got signed. Wiki tells us that on the first pitch of his first game in the majors, he hurt his knee sliding into the dugout making a catch and went on the 60-day DL. His Wiki page mentions he hit only 225 in his 1974 season ... overlooking the 344 OBP and 105 OPS+.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: November 16, 2021 at 01:09 AM (#6053072)
According to Wiki, Quiz's minor-league debut was a complete game. B-R at least backs up that his one start was a CG. As noted, he never started again.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: November 16, 2021 at 01:16 AM (#6053074)
And there's Claudell Washington. Wiki doesn't say anything interesting about him either but here's a guy who held his own in the majors at 19 and was an all-star at 20. We might think racism but that wouldn't explain Harrah, Downing and others. I think incompetence is our safe bet here.


Are you looking at a different Claudell Washington's wikipedia page? Claudell didn't play HS ball, and was spotted playing sandlot. That's why he didn't get drafted, and, at least to me, kind of interesting.

Sutter looks to have been a loophole of some sort. According to Wiki he was drafted in 1970 but chose to go to Old Dominion instead.


See, that's not what I was looking for in 1. He was drafted at one point. Most of these other guys were not.
   19. Ron J Posted: November 16, 2021 at 07:00 AM (#6053078)
#13 The fact that they made him repeat AA after his 1977 shows that they didn't think much of him as a prospect. Jacksonville seems to have been a pretty extreme pitcher's park in 1977. The offense only hit 52 HR and the staff had a 2.98 (with no major talents on it) and rather than adjusting, they seem to have flat ignored it.

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