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Saturday, November 16, 2019

Brewers’ Christian Yelich tweets harshly at Yu Darvish over accusation

Although a lot of people are talking about banning technology to deal with this problem, technology might provide the solution. Why not have wearable Bluetooth devices where the catcher and pitcher communicate? A lot of catchers already wear wristbands with notes. Why not replace them with a couple of buttons for pitch type and location?

Jim Furtado Posted: November 16, 2019 at 08:11 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5901619)
Although a lot of people are talking about banning technology to deal with this problem, technology might provide the solution. Why not have wearable Bluetooth devices where the catcher and pitcher communicate? A lot of catchers already wear wristbands with notes. Why not replace them with a couple of buttons for pitch type and location?

Because then the cheating will take the form of SIGINT and decryption technology, which will be much harder to detect.
   2. Rough Carrigan Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5901626)
Could Yelich be glancing at the 3rd base coach who maybe sees something in how Darvish grips the ball for his pitches better than the batter can see it?
   3. The Duke Posted: November 16, 2019 at 12:10 PM (#5901631)
I’ve looked at that footage - there just nothing there that I can see.
   4. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: November 16, 2019 at 03:53 PM (#5901685)
Checking out bbref the Brewers did have .040 higher OPS at home. Helped by hitting .011 higher at home and drawing a few more walks. 8 fewer extra base hits at home with 2 more dingers but fewer doubles at home. .306 babip at home, .288 on the road. If there is some hidden home advantage it's not screaming out anything.

On player level Hiura had big split in favor of Miller Park. Grandal did better on the road by .092 in OPS. Moose got killed at Miller, .920 ops vs .765.

Wouldn't the vets be able to take advantage of some secret sign setup?

Just asking. I don't get this whole outrage thing.
   5. Greg Pope Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:51 PM (#5901768)
Why not replace them with a couple of buttons for pitch type and location?

It should be even simpler. The catcher wears an earpiece and the pitcher just tells him what he's going to throw. The pitcher should be deciding anyway. The only reason the catcher gives the signs is because the batter can see the pitcher.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:00 PM (#5901770)
It should be even simpler. The catcher wears an earpiece and the pitcher just tells him what he's going to throw. The pitcher should be deciding anyway. The only reason the catcher gives the signs is because the batter can see the pitcher.

And how long before the other team is intercepting that communication? Have we not seen all the data breaches out there? What makes you think that an over the air voice signal will be remotely secure?

Making it electronic makes it 1) no harder, and maybe easier to steal signs, and 2) much harder to catch the cheaters. It's a terrible idea.
   7. Greg Pope Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:04 PM (#5901774)
And how long before the other team is intercepting that communication?

Oh, I agree that security is an issue either way. I just don't see why the catcher would continue to call pitches when the pitcher is the ultimate decider of what pitch to throw. If you're going to implement an electronic solution, then give the call to the pitcher.
   8. Mayor Blomberg Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:26 PM (#5901777)
Two tin cans and 63 feet of string.
   9. Hank Gillette Posted: November 17, 2019 at 03:09 AM (#5901787)
And how long before the other team is intercepting that communication? Have we not seen all the data breaches out there? What makes you think that an over the air voice signal will be remotely secure?


Encryption.
   10. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: November 17, 2019 at 05:00 AM (#5901789)
And how long before the other team is intercepting that communication?

Oh, I agree that security is an issue either way. I just don't see why the catcher would continue to call pitches when the pitcher is the ultimate decider of what pitch to throw. If you're going to implement an electronic solution, then give the call to the pitcher.

One of the benefits of having the pitcher call pitches this way, is that it reduces the time between signal and pitch. Which gives the opposing team much less time to intercept the signal, and pass on the information to the hitter, in a short enough time where he can do anything with that information.

When they pitcher tells the catcher what is coming, he is basically ready, and can go straight into his windup, the second after he says it. If he gets the signal from the catcher, he has to acknowledge it, mentally adjust what he is going to do, get the grip right, etc.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: November 17, 2019 at 08:38 AM (#5901797)
Since we're automating the umpire, why not automate the catcher? The pitcher could throw whatever he wanted.
   12. Jack Sommers Posted: November 17, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5901799)
And how long before the other team is intercepting that communication? Have we not seen all the data breaches out there? What makes you think that an over the air voice signal will be remotely secure?

Making it electronic makes it 1) no harder, and maybe easier to steal signs, and 2) much harder to catch the cheaters. It's a terrible idea.


Is this an issue in the NFL, where they have been transmitting to headsets inside QB helmets for years ?
   13. bfan Posted: November 17, 2019 at 10:33 AM (#5901800)

Is this an issue in the NFL, where they have been transmitting to headsets inside QB helmets for years ?


I feel certain the Patriots are listening to every word every team is saying, in Foxboro.
   14. jmurph Posted: November 17, 2019 at 10:48 AM (#5901803)
I feel certain the Patriots are listening to every word every team is saying, in Foxboro.

You're getting your conspiracy theories wrong, they've been accused of interfering with the opposing team's communications.

But sadly, Mike Timlin's constant whining notwithstanding, the NFL controls the communications system in the NFL.
   15. KronicFatigue Posted: November 17, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5901818)
Oh, I agree that security is an issue either way. I just don't see why the catcher would continue to call pitches when the pitcher is the ultimate decider of what pitch to throw. If you're going to implement an electronic solution, then give the call to the pitcher.


I've heard announcers suggest that catchers can see hitters adjusting, whether it's crowding the plate, choking up, etc better than pitchers and thus are better at countering it.

I presumed that catchers have more time/energy to build a gameplan against a lineup and that's why they call the game. Is that not true?
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 17, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5901821)
I presumed that catchers have more time/energy to build a gameplan against a lineup and that's why they call the game. Is that not true?

Wouldn't a starter who pitches only once every 5 days have more time to plan, vs. a catcher who's playing 3 of 4 games?
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 17, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5901822)
Encryption.

Is broken constantly.
   18. baerga1 Posted: November 17, 2019 at 01:46 PM (#5901826)
Building on what Kronic is saying, I have always assumed that the reason catchers call pitches is because it is a significant mental load. Pitching is so difficult as it is that it makes sense to me that you would want the pitcher to just concentrate on executing pitches.

It may also be that a catcher is able to be more objective about what pitches are working. A pitcher may be prone to getting emotionally attached to certain pitches for whatever reason or be unable to tell how well his velocity or break is working that day.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: November 17, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5901833)
Wouldn't a starter

Daddy, what's a starting pitcher?

I have always assumed that the reason catchers call pitches is because it is a significant mental load.

Yep, pitchers are Nuke LaLoosh and catchers are Crash Davis. Rule #1 of the unwritten rules.
   20. Greg Pope Posted: November 17, 2019 at 04:25 PM (#5901845)
I have always assumed that the reason catchers call pitches is because it is a significant mental load.

I think all of that is an after-the-fact justification. Catchers call pitches because the batter can't see them do it. Everything else follows from that.

Pitchers have the final call anyway. They can shake off the catcher.
   21. Cris E Posted: November 17, 2019 at 08:11 PM (#5901865)
Catchers are there for the whole game and can see what's working or not working on each hitter. Pitchers come and go, and they can't even watch while warming up. Plus the whole neutral observer thing where they're not nearly as jacked into the pitcher-hitter battle and can be a bit more dispassionate in choosing sequences.
   22. Bote Man Posted: November 18, 2019 at 02:47 AM (#5901896)
One word: neural interface.

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