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Brodie Van Wagenen: Mets have ‘deepest rotation in baseball,’ Steven Matz still seen as starter

Brodie Van Wagenen said Thursday at the Winter Meetings that the Mets have “probably the deepest starting pitching rotation in baseball,” noting that the added depth after signing Rick Porcello and Michael Wacha gives the team lots of “flexibility” when it comes to how they prepare for 2020.

As things currently stand, the Mets have Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Marcus Stroman, Steven Matz, Porcello, and Wacha as rotation options.

They also have the ability to use Seth Lugo or Robert Gsellman in the rotation, with Van Wagenen saying the Mets are “staring at eight potential starting pitchers.”

But Lugo and Gsellman will almost certainly be in the bullpen, Van Wagenen suggested, adding that “nothing has changed” regarding his stance that Syndergaard is staying, while saying that he views Matz as a starting pitcher.

Bit presumptive, isn’t it?

 

QLE Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:33 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: brodie van wagenen, mets being mets, rotation

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   1. Adam Starblind Posted: December 13, 2019 at 09:26 AM (#5908403)
It's virtually guaranteed that one or more of them will start the season on (what I will never stop calling) the DL with "soreness."
   2. flournoy Posted: December 13, 2019 at 09:39 AM (#5908404)
This guy also called the Mets the "team to beat" in the NL East last year.

In fairness, they did get beat. A bunch.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: December 13, 2019 at 10:20 AM (#5908416)
well, the 42-21 finish for an 86-76 result kind of took the wind out of that preseason prediction sails.

it did seem ridiculous at midseason.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2019 at 10:33 AM (#5908423)
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 13, 2019 at 10:51 AM (#5908436)
How did this rotation end up doing?

77-41 and the team won 101 games, so, really, really good?
   6. formerly dp Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5908479)
I count 6 starters. Isn't it basically accepted that you need at least 8 to get through the year?
   7. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5908481)

77-41 and the team won 101 games, so, really, really good?


Nice. I guess the Mets can expect the same, then. Wacha is basically as good as Clemens or Mussina, right?
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:57 AM (#5908484)
How did this rotation end up doing?

77-41 and the team won 101 games, so, really, really good?
Haha, David Wells made 30 starts that year and 30 starts the year before but they leave him off the cover.
   9. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5908488)
Haha, David Wells made 30 starts that year and 30 starts the year before but they leave him off the cover.


He probably didn't show up. Wells was definitely more a star than Weaver, they would have wanted him.

I was surprised when I googled it to see 6 starters, my memory of it was that there were 7 or 8.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5908497)
Haha, David Wells made 30 starts that year and 30 starts the year before but they leave him off the cover.
If you have limited space, he's definitely the one to go.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5908502)
Maybe it was a fold-out
   12. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: December 13, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5908573)
I count 6 starters. Isn't it basically accepted that you need at least 8 to get through the year?


Yes. But realistically is there another team that can go 6 deep with the Mets? That looks like a pretty deep rotation to me. Pitchers being pitchers, and the Mets being the Mets, this will probably end with Jon Matlack making a start or 2 but without any research I'd bet the Mets are on a shortlist for deepest rotation.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 13, 2019 at 04:54 PM (#5908583)
Yes. But realistically is there another team that can go 6 deep with the Mets?

Yankees are, at least until they trade Happ.

Cole, Paxton, Severino, Tanaka, Happ, German, Montgomery.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 04:59 PM (#5908585)
Maybe it was a fold-out
David Wells: Worst Centerfold Ever.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: December 15, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5908846)
But realistically is there another team that can go 6 deep with the Mets?

This has been the Dodgers' model for the last few years. Even assuming Ryu is gone, they start next year with Buehler, Kershaw, Maeda, Hill, Stripling, CarrotTop, Urias (or is he suspeneded?), 23-year-old swingman Caleb Ferguson and a AAAA type named Tony Gonsolin who pitched quite well last year. That's not as good as they've had in the past (hard to expect much out of the 40-year-old Hill) but it's not too shabby ... and it's assuming they sign no SP.
   16. bbmck Posted: December 15, 2019 at 06:34 PM (#5908863)
100 pitchers had 2+ pitching WAR and 10+ Starts in 2017 and/or 2018 which includes RA Dickey who was really unlikely to pitch well in 2019 but without making judgement calls in theory the Cubs have the deepest pitching staff with 8 of those players: Tyler Chatwood, Yu Darvish, Cole Hamels, Kyle Hendricks, Derek Holland, Jon Lester, Mike Montgomery and Jose Quintana.

6: BOS, CIN, MIL, NYY, SFG
5: COL, LAD, NYM, PHI
4: ARI, CHW, CLE, HOU, WSN
3: ATL, BAL, KCR, MIN, OAK, STL, TOR
2: PIT, SEA, TBR, TEX
1: DET, LAA
0: MIA, SDP

Andrew Cashner, Derek Holland, Drew Pomeranz, Jason Vargas, Jhoulys Chacin, Kevin Gausman, Marcus Stroman, Mike Montgomery, Tanner Roark, Trevor Bauer, Zack Godley and Zack Greinke counted twice each because of trades.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 16, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5908930)
(hard to expect much out of the 40-year-old Hill)


Like Ryu, Hill is currently a free agent. He's also supposed to miss the first half of 2020 after elbow surgery.

That said, your list didn't include Dustin May, so you can just swap him in instead.
   18. JJ1986 Posted: December 16, 2019 at 10:22 AM (#5908933)
The preferred nomenclature is Gingergaard.

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