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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Thursday, December 08, 2011Brookover: Phillies’ deal for Howard not all that bad in light of Pujols and Fielder situationsYeah, but doesn’t Ryan Howard’s contract kick in right around the time OSIRIS-REx starts sending signals back from asteroid 1999 RQ36?
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Posted: December 08, 2011 at 02:11 PM | 18 comment(s)
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1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 08, 2011 at 02:46 PM (#4010041)Of course the flaw in this logic is that the other two are much better players than Howard.
Count the RBI titlezzzzzzzzz.
+168 Bat + 1 Run + 7 Field +68 Rep -34 Pos = +210 Pujols
+147 Bat - 3 Run + 8 Field +64 Rep -33 Pos = +182 Votto
+159 Bat - 3 Run - 7 Field +67 Rep -35 Pos = +182 Cabrera
+135 Bat -12 Run +18 Field +70 Rep -36 Pos = +174 Gonzalez
+142 Bat -16 Run -11 Field +71 Rep -37 Pos = +148 Fielder
+ 86 Bat - 1 Run + 5 Field +70 Rep -36 Pos = +123 Teixeira
+ 91 Bat - 2 Run -10 Field +63 Rep -36 Pos = + 88 Konerko
+ 54 Bat - 3 Run + 7 Field +57 Rep -30 Pos = + 85 Lee
+ 79 Bat -18 Run -12 Field +66 Rep -34 Pos = + 75 Howard
+ 68 Bat -17 Run -10 Field +67 Rep -41 Pos = + 67 Butler
+ 46 Bat - 0 Run - 7 Field +59 Rep -31 Pos = + 66 Pena
Howard isn't close to Fielder or Pujols in value or projected value. Even if you consider only the hitting numbers, he's somewhere between Billy Butler and Paul Konerko, a 3rd tier 1B talent.
Yup. For the worst player.
Howard is a slightly above avg. 1B; one of the most overrated players in baseball.
Just for some context, in an injury marred, 99 G season, ARod matched Howard's WAR, and Howard makes almost as much as ARod.
Lee was still pretty good as a hitter in '09. Plus he has baserunning and fielding value over Howard.
Yes, but Derrek is a great clubhouse presence, just like the "Ghost from Christmas Past."
I wouldn't trade for Howard if the Phillies covered more than half of his contract going forward. It's a terrible deal.
Concur. I rather have the horrific ARod contract. At least there's a chance ARod has a 5-6 WAR season left in him if healthy.
Not any more....
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/08/report-albert-pujols-signing-with-angels-for-10-years-and-at-least-250-million/
Lee has also been around 110 OPS+ the past two years. That's only 12 points of OPS+ over two seasons that he has to make up with 3 years of defense and baserunning.
And I would guess that Lee will also be more valuable over the life of Howard's contract.
No one would have had a gun to Amaro's head saying "Pay Howard $25 million a year for 10 years. NOW!" had he waited, and if that was what he honestly believes Howard would have gotten given the market this off-season, Amaro doesn't understand how to value players on the open market.
in 2010 it was .265/.352/.455 and 118
in 2009 it was .276/.363/.487 and 122
That's more than 50 players each year.
The median starting 1B (starting 1b defined as the 30 1Bs each year with the most PAs)
2011: 117
2010: 114
2009: 126
Howard:
2011: 125
2010: 127
2009: 141
Better than the average 1B yes... but not by a ton
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