Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Wednesday, February 27, 2008

Bunt attempt by Wolverines irks Mets’ Wagner—Newsday.com

Wimp.

Forget the Phillies. Billy Wagner nearly started a beanball war with the University of Michigan after one overzealous Wolverine tried to bunt on him in the fourth inning. With a runner on second and one out, centerfielder Kevin Cislo pushed his bunt foul.

Wagner, clearly annoyed, shook his head a number of times, and Cislo wisely swung away, grounding out. Wagner said he couldn’t believe that Cislo, a junior, bunted.

“If he got that bunt down, I would have drilled the next guy,” Wagner said. “Play to win against Villanova.”

Asked about Wagner’s reaction, manager Willie Randolph laughed.

“He couldn’t bring himself to drill the kid,” Randolph said. “Nolan Ryan might have. Nolan or Roger may have done it, kid or not.”

Jim Furtado Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:13 PM | 61 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: mets

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Craig Calcaterra Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:29 PM (#2700935)
As a proud graduate of the Ohio State University, I wholly endorse the beaning of all University of Michigan players.
   2. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:30 PM (#2700937)
The White Sox make plans to draft the Michigan player by round 2!
   3. Wakefieldfan Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:31 PM (#2700940)
Er, aren't these spring training games about getting in shape and practicing your playing technique for the upcoming season? Why would Wagner take exception to a 4th inning bunt? It's not as if he was tossing a perfecto or anything. And the stuff about Randolph getting annoyed by the chatter -- give me a break. You don't expect a college team to get pumped up about a game with a major league baseball team? Wow. Some of these guys have really let their success go to their heads.
   4. Russ Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:32 PM (#2700942)
“Play to win against Villanova.”


That's awesome.
   5. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:36 PM (#2700946)
The White Sox make plans to draft the Michigan player by round 2!


I don't get it. The White Sox were tied for 18th in the majors in sacrifice bunts last season -- they were 19th the year before. Why would they be drafting someone who likes to bunt?
   6. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:37 PM (#2700949)
Why would Wagner take exception to a 4th inning bunt? It's not as if he was tossing a perfecto or anything.

We all know no Mets pitcher has ever thrown a no-hitter in a real game, but what about in a split-squad four-inning spring training game?
   7. Sam M. Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:39 PM (#2700953)
“Play to win against Villanova.”

Now that Kevin Mulvey is gone, I wholeheartedly endorse this POV.

Why would Wagner take exception to a 4th inning bunt?

No idea. Except I suppose if I'm Billy Wagner, maybe I think this college kid should want to take his cuts against me so he could tell his kids he once got a hit off Billy Wagner. What the hell is he doing bunting away the opportunity?
   8. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:40 PM (#2700954)
I don't get it. The White Sox were tied for 18th in the majors in sacrifice bunts last season -- they were 19th the year before. Why would they be drafting someone who likes to bunt?

For one thing, you should throw out the NL teams from those lists.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:40 PM (#2700956)
"Play to win against Villanova."
I have an idea, Billy: Play to win in October instead of worrying about what some kid does in February.

For that matter, play to actually get people out in October.
   10. 1k5v3L Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:40 PM (#2700959)
Wagner seems to be late in his steroid cycling this year.
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2700960)
Except I suppose if I'm Billy Wagner, maybe I think this college kid should want to take his cuts against me so he could tell his kids he once got a hit off Billy Wagner. What the hell is he doing bunting away the opportunity?

Maybe he wanted to tell his kids that he got Billy Wagner suspended in a spring-training game for hitting him in the head with a pitch. That would be a more interesting anecdote.

Didn't work though.
   12. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:48 PM (#2700969)
I don't get it. The White Sox were tied for 18th in the majors in sacrifice bunts last season -- they were 19th the year before. Why would they be drafting someone who likes to bunt?

Because that kid takes Spring Training seriously, in true White Sox fashion! Grrr!
   13. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: February 27, 2008 at 02:51 PM (#2700974)
Newsday should report when Wagner isn't irked about something. Now that would be news.
   14. Chris Dial Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:01 PM (#2700992)
I don't get it. The White Sox were tied for 18th in the majors in sacrifice bunts last season -- they were 19th the year before. Why would they be drafting someone who likes to bunt?


Well, 16 of those were in teh NL. Those don't count. And teh White Sox live up there.
   15. Xander Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2700997)
Wow, Wagner is a little #####.
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:06 PM (#2701000)
OK, walk me thru this carefully, because I'm kinda slow--why exactly was Wagner pissed off? since when aren't you allowed to bunt in spring training?

(someone should write down all these unwritten rules so I can keep them straight)
   17. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:08 PM (#2701005)
Well, 16 of those were in teh NL. Those don't count. And teh White Sox live up there.


OK, fine. The Sox had 41 SH last year, tied with the Twins and Yankees for 2nd in the AL. Outside of 2 outliers, Rangers with 57 and A's with 18, every AL team was between 31 and 41. The Sox were about 8 over the median. Does one extra bunt every 20 games really mean anything?
   18. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:12 PM (#2701009)
We already knew that Wagner is a total ###### #######.
   19. HowardMegdal Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2701011)
You know, I haven't heard any of the reporters explain why either. Was there just an unwillingness to ask Wagner that question, since he'd look at the reporter as if her were an idiot?

I sincerely hope this never stops me from asking a question. It hasn't so far!
   20. Chris Dial Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:14 PM (#2701012)
Does one extra bunt every 20 games really mean anything?

Not to me, but IIRC, over Guillen's tenure the ChiSox bunted more than most AL teams.

Look back a few seasons.
   21. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2701013)
OK, fine. The Sox had 41 SH last year, tied with the Twins and Yankees for 2nd in the AL. Outside of 2 outliers, Rangers with 57 and A's with 18, every AL team was between 31 and 41. The Sox were about 8 over the median. Does one extra bunt every 20 games really mean anything?

Wow, Ron Washington must have really suffered being an A's coach. Now he is unleashed!

I was just poking fun at KW's new seriousness about Spring Training, not their propensity for bunting. I weep for what I have wrought.
   22. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:19 PM (#2701020)
And to listen to Crazy Ozzie talk, he thinks the reason why they were the worst team in baseball last year was because they didn't bunt enough.

As for Billy Wagner, get real. You could use some practice fielding a bunt, too, old guy.
   23. Alex_Lewis Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:27 PM (#2701031)
I'd have bunted.
   24. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:46 PM (#2701059)
And to listen to Crazy Ozzie talk, he thinks the reason why they were the worst team in baseball last year was because they didn't bunt enough.


Ozzie says that kind of thing every year. I realize it's always funny to talk about the crazy brown guy (Red Sox fans get a lot of mileage out of it with Manny Ramirez), but you are (presumably) an adult, and not required to believe everything you hear.
   25. Textbook Editor Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:47 PM (#2701063)
One wonders what Wagner's reaction would have been if the kid had had the audacity to try to work a walk... Is Wagner's "position" here that all college players should just swing wildly because they are in the presence of his greatness?

Can't wait to see who he blames his first blown save of the season. A pool should be started.
   26. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:50 PM (#2701067)
Can't wait to see who he blames his first blown save of the season. A pool should be started.

Lloyd Carr
   27. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 03:55 PM (#2701074)
STUPID CHEATING WOLVERINES!

GO BUCKEYES!
   28. chemdoc Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2701084)
Shouldn't Billy be more concerned about:

1) The double he gave up?
2) The walk he issued?
3) The fact that the Mets didn't beat Michigan?
   29. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:10 PM (#2701095)
Shouldn't Billy be more concerned about:

1) The double he gave up?
2) The walk he issued?
3) The fact that the Mets didn't beat Michigan?


I say none of the above. He should just freakin relax.
   30. TDF, trained monkey Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:12 PM (#2701096)
Forget the Phillies.


Shouldn't that read: (Forget) the Phillies?
   31. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:13 PM (#2701097)
Wagner's just not used to facing Division I competition.
   32. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:16 PM (#2701102)
Wagner's just not used to facing Division I competition.

what, he went to App State?
   33. Clemenza Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:24 PM (#2701110)
He went to Ferrum, D-III. Legend has it he was throwing 80 mph as a freshman and 95 as a senior. I remember reading that in Baseball America (I think) in about 1993.

I played against Ferrum a couple years after he left and his retired number was hanging on the outfield wall.
   34. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:26 PM (#2701114)
Legend has it he was throwing 80 mph as a freshman and 95 as a senior.

So he was an early user?
   35. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:28 PM (#2701118)
He went to Ferrum, D-III

sounds like you'd get rusty pretty quick there
   36. chemdoc Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:29 PM (#2701119)
Wagner's just not used to facing Division I competition.

what, he went to App State?


No, he's a career-long National Leaguer.
   37. greenback used to say live and let live Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:34 PM (#2701127)
Another reason to look forward to So Taguchi facing Billy Wagner at CBP.
   38. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:35 PM (#2701128)
sounds like you'd get rusty pretty quick there

Certainly, there'd be no worries about iron-poor blood.
   39. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: February 27, 2008 at 04:45 PM (#2701137)
I weep for what I have wrought.


...and we've come full circle.
   40. . Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:00 PM (#2701150)
Hey, Billy, you wormy, squirrely backwoods turd:

Go * yourself.

GO BLUE!!!
   41. JPWF13 Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:06 PM (#2701155)
And the stuff about Randolph getting annoyed by the chatter -- give me a break. You don't expect a college team to get pumped up about a game with a major league baseball team? Wow. Some of these guys have really let their success go to their heads.


Randolph is the ultimate killjoy, I really think he needs therapy to learn why he has the compulsion to take the joy out of baseball for everyone.

Just watch a Mets broadcast, no matter what is happening when the camera shows him he is almost always standing or sitting alone, looking either miserable or pissed off.
   42. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:13 PM (#2701162)
Just watch a Mets broadcast, no matter what is happening when the camera shows him he is almost always standing or sitting alone, looking either miserable or pissed off.


Luckily, you won't find more than about 30 people in major league dugouts with that kind of demeanor.
   43. . Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:20 PM (#2701172)
If a bunch of college kids chattering sets him off this much, Randolph must really not like the Reyes Gang's dancing and celebrating.
   44. . Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:25 PM (#2701176)
It is of course perfectly just and indicative of an ordered universe that Wagner's and Randolph's ultimate boss is a Michigan man.
   45. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:34 PM (#2701183)
Why were the Mets playing Michigan? Don't teams generally play local colleges? The Red Sox, for example, always play BC, and recently Northeastern. I assumed the Tigers would play Michigan, and the Mets would play...I dunno. Rutgers?
   46. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:37 PM (#2701186)
He went to Ferrum, D-III
If that's pronounced with a long E, that would be the perfect alma mater for Jim Rice.

Oh, and on topic, Wagner is a world class d1ck. I thought so when he was here in Philly, and he hasn't changed since he's become a Met.
   47. AJMcCringleberry Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:37 PM (#2701187)
The Marlins play Miami.

Not that Wagner should be getting upset about this, but you're in college and get a chance to play the Mets and you bunt? Come on man, swing!
   48. sardonic Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:38 PM (#2701188)
Why is the kid bunting with a runner on 2nd, one out, anyway?
   49. chemdoc Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:41 PM (#2701191)
Why were the Mets playing Michigan? Don't teams generally play local colleges? The Red Sox, for example, always play BC, and recently Northeastern. I assumed the Tigers would play Michigan, and the Mets would play...I dunno. Rutgers?


As alluded to by SugarBear, Wilpon is a Michigan alumnus. He recently made a sizable donation to upgrade the Wolverine baseball facilities.
   50. JJ1986 Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:44 PM (#2701194)
Why is the kid bunting with a runner on 2nd, one out, anyway?

Maybe he grew up idolizing Neifi Perez.
   51. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: February 27, 2008 at 05:47 PM (#2701203)
Speaking of DIII Baseball, Wooster is #1 in one poll and #3 in another. The Indians and Ohio State have been ducking them for years.
   52. galaxieboi Posted: February 27, 2008 at 06:17 PM (#2701224)
I go to a whole boatload of University of Washington games every year and I'm always amazed at the amount of chatter from Big 10 teams. Not quite fast pitch college softball, but still.

Didn't Nolan Ryan bean his own kid? He was pitching batting practice and hit his own kid on purpose. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly.
   53. Srul Itza Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:11 PM (#2701274)
Why is the kid bunting with a runner on 2nd, one out, anyway?

That's why Wagner was pissed. He is a closet saberite, and he knew that giving up the out there was a poor play. He was personally affronted by the poor strategy.
   54. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:18 PM (#2701281)
That's why Wagner was pissed. He is a closet saberite, and he knew that giving up the out there was a poor play. He was personally affronted by the poor strategy.


Surely Wagner believes his pitching ability lowers the scoring environment to dead-ball levels wherein the bunt has more value.
   55. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2701291)
I clicked on this thread fully expecting it to be about a spring training visit from Hugh Jackman. I am disappointed.
   56. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2701292)
Michel Abreu smashed a drive off the hitter's eye in centerfield, but stopped at second when the umpiring crew -- made up of four women -- did not signal a home run.

Big ###### surprise.
   57. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:26 PM (#2701294)
Why was Helen Keller such a bad umpire?

...

Because she was a woman.
   58. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:27 PM (#2701296)
Why is the kid bunting with a runner on 2nd, one out, anyway?

he is a centerfielder who had 1 HR and 7 EBH in 152 AB last year. I'm guessing he is small and fast. You can try to bunt for a hit, not just sacrifice.

http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2006-2007/mich.html
   59. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:33 PM (#2701307)
Why was Helen Keller such a bad umpire?
I now can say with full confidence that at least one Primate will burn in Hell. Do I have to go too if I laughed at the punch line?
   60. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:40 PM (#2701318)
No idea. Except I suppose if I'm Billy Wagner, maybe I think this college kid should want to take his cuts against me so he could tell his kids he once got a hit off Billy Wagner. What the hell is he doing bunting away the opportunity?


You have it backwards. Billy Wagner wanted to tell his kids he struck out Kevin Cislo.

To Wagner: Man up, Nancy. Bunting is part of the game. It's as much a part of the game as getting all pissy about something that shouldn't make you get all pissy.
   61. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: February 27, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2701321)
Why was Helen Keller such a bad umpire?
I now can say with full confidence that at least one Primate will burn in Hell. Do I have to go too if I laughed at the punch line?


I will publically say I am agasht at this line of humor because I don't want a woman with a Texan accent siccing a dog name Barry Lamar on me.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
robneyer
for his generous support.

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogMinnie, Gil, Buck among 6 elected to Hall
(51 - 9:45am, Dec 06)
Last: Ziggy: social distancing since 1980

NewsblogReport: MLB Owners Vote Unanimously to Institute Lockout
(35 - 9:28am, Dec 06)
Last: dejarouehg

NewsblogMLB, union stopped blood testing for HGH due to pandemic
(33 - 9:24am, Dec 06)
Last: AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale

NewsblogHere is Mets' preliminary list of managerial candidates
(5 - 9:23am, Dec 06)
Last: dejarouehg

NewsblogMarcell Ozuna was choking wife as cops burst in, police video shows
(62 - 8:37am, Dec 06)
Last: Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB)

Hall of MeritMost Meritorious Player: 1895 Discussion
(5 - 4:55am, Dec 06)
Last: bjhanke

NewsblogOT - College Football Bowl Spectacular (December 2021 - January 2022)
(11 - 10:56pm, Dec 05)
Last: Meatwad

NewsblogOT - November* 2021 College Football thread
(525 - 10:36pm, Dec 05)
Last: Meatwad

Hall of MeritMock Hall of Fame Ballot 2022
(34 - 10:10pm, Dec 05)
Last: John Northey

NewsblogMcCaffery: Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard passed Hall of Fame eye test
(97 - 10:00pm, Dec 05)
Last: John Northey

NewsblogNBA 2021-2022 Season Thread
(1270 - 6:44pm, Dec 05)
Last: spivey 2

Sox TherapyLocked Out and Semi-Loaded
(17 - 6:38pm, Dec 05)
Last: Darren

NewsblogOT Soccer Thread - Domestic Cups, Congested Fixture Lists and Winter Breaks
(42 - 6:35pm, Dec 05)
Last: AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale

NewsblogFormer Cy Young Winner LaMarr Hoyt Reportedly Dies At 66
(73 - 4:22pm, Dec 05)
Last: ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

NewsblogMasahiro Tanaka to remain with NPB's Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles for 2022 season
(3 - 4:09pm, Dec 04)
Last: Walt Davis

Page rendered in 0.3172 seconds
48 querie(s) executed