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Should Tatis Jr. maintain his current pace in both categories, he’d finish the season with 45 HR and 31 SB, while venturing into uncharted territory by leading the league in SB while slugging .675 (a statistical benchmark never approached in the game’s history).
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1. Mefisto Posted: August 31, 2021 at 06:19 PM (#6037529)I remember as a boy a half-century ago being in spirited debates in the schoolyard during recess over whether there was a single/double milestone more hallowed than leading the league in SB while slugging .675. there was just something so magical about .675
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What Tatis is doing is impressive, but surely something that's happened three times in MLB history is unlikely to be the "rarest" of anything.
But that makes me wonder, what "double-doubles" (let's define this as leading the AL or NL in two categories) have been rarer? Bonus points if both are major categories.
Errors and home runs? Saves and strikeouts? Stolen bases and intentional walks?
In 1908 he won 40 games and led the league in starts, complete games, and saves. And innings, obviously.
Willie Mays led the league in SB in 1957 and finished second in IBB (15 to Musial's 19). That's the closest I've found to a double-double in these categories.
Barry Bonds led the league in IBB basically every year, and stole a lot of bases, but never finished higher than third in the league. His best combo was first in IBB/fourth in SB in 1996. Rod Carew led the league in IBB three times and finished as high as second in stolen bases, but his best combo was also first in IBB/fourth in SB in 1975.
In 1918, Edd Roush led the NL in OPS+ and sacrifice hits.
Heh, that's fun. He also led in slugging percentage. Imagine giving Mike Trout the "bunt" sign 35 times a year.
Nice. Howard Johnson also did it in 1991.
Incidentally, I see that Tatis is also leading the NL in errors this year (four-way tie), but now that he's been moved to the OF he's very unlikely to end the season in the lead.
Bullet Rogan in 1922 - 15 HR, 14 W for the KC Monarchs in the original NNL.
Here's a random pre-1900 one: In 1883, Pud Galvin led the NL in strikeouts (as a batter) and shutouts. (He also led in games pitched, games started, complete games, and innings pitched, but his 46 wins were only second.)
In 1970, Reggie Jackson led the league in caught stealing, strikeouts AND outfield errors. He went on to become a Hall-of-Famer, and so can you!
Ohtani hasn't made it to 10 wins in any season yet (8 this year). Ruth won 13 in 1918 (with only 11 HR which isn't that impressive for Ruth) but won only 9 in 1919. Rogan is credited as 14-8 with 15 HR in 1922 but never hit more than 7 in any other season.
Ed Rile, who I'd never heard of, was also in the NeL and went 11-6 with 11 HR in 1927 -- also a 1B, that was his only season with double-digit HR but also won 15 in 1923.
Willie Smith pitched a fair amount for the Tigers in 63 and the Angels in 64, mostly in relief though so never came anywhere near 10 wins. In 64, he appeared in 15 games with 1 GS, 1-4, 31.2 IP and a fine 2.84 ERA and 5.7 K/9 (pretty good for the era) and a line of 301/317/465, 125 OPS+ in 373 PA in the OF. He had 3 more solid bench OF seasons left but wasn't ever used much on the mound after that.
Fergie hit a fair number of HR but never more than 6 in a season. Zambrano also never topped 6. Bumgarner had a nice run across a few seasons but never more than 5 in a season. Guys I think of as good-hitting pitchers like Rhoden and Don Robinson never topped 3. Wes Ferrell had 9 in 1931 and a couple more 7s. Foxx never appeared in more than 9 games as a P and only hit 7 HR that year. Brooks Kieschnick never hit more than 7 and only 2 wins in his 96 relief IP.
EDIT: among those with at least one win and one HR, Old Hoss Radbourn seems to have the record for the sum with 61 -- 60 wins, 1 HR in 1884. Followed by Clarkson with 57, Guy Hecker with 56, Clarkson and Radbourn again at 51. Then I think it's Ohtani on his own at 50. So he should be moving up that leaderboard and has a shot at the all-time record with a good Sept.
Bob Lemon did it in 1949, 134 OPS+/133 ERA+. Babe Ruth, somewhat surprisingly, never did it. He had a 122 OPS+ in 1916, which was the only year his ERA+ was over 130. Drysdale, Gibson, Larsen, K. Brett, Zambrano, Hampton, Bumgarner, Greinke, Rhoden, and D. Robinson never did it. Maybe Walt or someone else with Stathead can look for others.
Ohtani's got plenty of cushion at 163 OPS+/150 ERA+ right now and is at 137 OPS+/127 ERA+ for his career.
- GIDP
- striking out
- errors (he made 28) at 2B
a lousy triple combo
... and he was awarded the AL MVP!
Hitting 322/409/491 with a 2.5 dWAR helped. (Teddy had a better year, of course, as he usually did.)
German Marquez is only nine homers away.
They need to give him Big Unit relief opportunities.
Add OBP and it turns into the Ty Cobb triple crown. Trout has led in all three, but in different seasons.
A Dizzy Dean fan I see. (or Ed Walsh or Mordecai Brown or Cy Young)
Edit: although I do think that if you pitch a complete game and win by 3 runs or less, then you should also be credited a save. :)
Musial did it 4 times, Cobb 3--the last was Cesar Tovar in 1970; there have been 7 others
ER and ERA maybe.
CS and SB% is an interesting possibility, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rickey pulled it off.
ER and ERA maybe.
CS and SB% is an interesting possibility, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rickey pulled it off.
ER and ERA is interesting and there's probably a pre-1900 example. (Indeed, with a couple of clicks I found John Clarkson in 1889, 2.73 ERA and 188 ER -- plus 92 unearned runs -- over 620 innings.) But I think it's interesting because it's becoming more and more plausible with modern pitcher usage. If the qualification level stays at 162 IP (one inning per team game), we may start seeing seasons where only a handful of guys even qualify for the ERA title. If one of them pitches 230 innings and no one else tops 180, he could have a chance.
Oh, here we go: Willie Mays in 1956 - 40 SB, 10 CS, 80% success rate, led the league in all three categories.
In Phil Niekro's remarkable 1978, he tied for the league lead in earned runs allowed and had an ERA of 2.88. While this was very good (142 ERA+), it wasn't in the top 10 in the league. However, he was closer to first (0.45 behind the leader) than Roberts was in 1955 (0.65 behind).
John Clarkson's 1889 was even crazier than I realized. Not only did he lead the league in earned runs and ERA, he also led the league in hits allowed AND walks allowed... and WHIP. (He pitched 620 innings and the second most was 420.)
Ron "Wheels" Santo led the NL in BB and triples in 1964. The idea of him leading in triples is funny enough, the BB and triples combo is probably pretty rare in the liveball era at least.
Geez, this one will win you a few drinks at the bar -- more career triples, Ron Santo or Rickey Henderson? That may now be my all-time favorite stat.
Led the AL in
WINS 24
WPCT .750
GS 40
CG 21
but also in negative categories
ER 115
HR 34
He finished a very close 4th in Cy Young voting, picking up 6 first place votes out of 24.
BBRef has him as a very average pitcher (WAA about 0); considering the O's defense and his mediocre ERA< that sounds about right. Of course being a healthy workhorse DOES have value.
I wonder if Rickey took it easy out of the batter's box, knowing that he can probably have third base anyway, if he really wants it.
Here's a question: did Rickey have a really high top speed, or did he get really good jumps? (Obviously some of both, but you know what I mean.). If it was the latter, then maybe he wouldn't have been as gifted in legging out triples as one might think.
Best looking prospect in Alameda County Athletic League and the Oakland Athletic League. Draft him no lower than "AA".
No surprise. Not precisely top tier track speed but among guys who can actually hit a baseball, top tier in both top speed and acceleration.
EDIT:
Article with scouting report image
Pretty sure nobody ever said this about Ron Santo either. :-)
Biggio's like Rickey, just 55 triples in 12,500 PA but over 400 steals -- no wonder he had so many doubles, probably 60-70 of them should have been triples.
So Rickey had about 1 triple per 200 PA. Min 6000 PA, PA>=195*triples, by #SB
1406 Rickey
414 Biggio
408 Tommy Harper (wouldn't have thought he made it to 400 steals)
349 Eric Davis
329 ARod
321 Concepcion
294 Renteria
289 Soriano
285 Baylor
281 Hanley
Active "leader" is Altuve with 260 SB and just 29 triples in 6225 PA. Stathead doesn't allow you to actually calculate the ratio or rank by it but ignoring C (VMart 3 in 8166 PA) and 1B (Mac 6 in 7660), looks like the worst is Mike Lowell with just 7 in 6500 PA. (Integration era only)
Russell Martin was a C but still made it to 101 SB but just 9 triples in 6648 PA. Among players with 100+ steals in the integration era, 10 players pass the SB/triple threshold of 10 -- Rickey, Lopes, EY Sr, Harper, Davis, Arod, Renteria, Baylor, Canseco and Martin.
ARod might be the worst -- power and speed but still only 31 triples, about 1 per 400 PA. One season with 5, one with 6. Only 6 triples after age 29.
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