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Canada reportedly set to lift vaccine requirements for people entering country, a move that would impact unvaccinated professional athletes
Canada likely will drop the vaccine requirement for people who enter the country by the end of September, according to multiple reports Tuesday, a move that impacts unvaccinated professional athletes who travel there for games.
To enter the country, the Canadian government currently requires a person to have received a second COVID-19 vaccine dose—or one dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine—at least 14 days before entry. But the government likely will be dropping the requirement, pending a final sign-off from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
In baseball, unvaccinated players have been placed on the restricted list during their teams’ games in Canada. They are not paid and do not accrue major league service time, according to a March agreement between Major League Baseball and the players’ association. Canada’s lifting of its restrictions would now allow unvaccinated major leaguers to play in Toronto in the playoffs should the Blue Jays make the postseason.
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Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:40 PM | 68 comment(s)
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1. John Reynard Posted: September 21, 2022 at 03:49 AM (#6097242)It wouldn't be a big factor in the playoffs most likely, it wasn't in the regular season. The biggest hit was to KC where I think over 10 players were on the COVID IL while they played here. Boston had a few big names, but they are nowhere near the playoffs. All playoff teams I suspect pressured their players to get the shot just in case by now - if not by management then by other players. I mean, c'mon, the shot has been had by literally billions of people of all ages. Every Fox host has had to have it (they weren't allowed in the building otherwise) yet they still rant about it and pretend they didn't get the shot themselves. IMO you have to be a prize idiot to have not had it given it drastically reduces your risk of getting seriously ill or dying from COVID.
Unless the Jays met St. Louie in the World Series. That would be a big deal.
I don't think many unvaccinated are into international travel.
I don't think many unvaccinated are into international travel.
Maybe, though Canada's hardly true international travel for lots of Americans. I can get to Montreal by car faster than I can get to Buffalo, in my state. I also think a lot of people (vaccinated and non) don't want to go someplace where they have to show medical info to get in, and might get stranded if they contract COVID.
As unlikely as this seems, it would have been a fascinating development. Leave it to the Canadians to ruin this storyline.
At this point are Canadians really considering the U.S a country, though?
At this point are Canadians really considering the U.S a country, though?
A country who's sitting leader regularly appeared in black face doesn't get to look down at anyone.
I checked, it was a few times he said himself.
However, I'll stand by my sentiment, late teens leadership-wise.
Good for them - let's hope that logic catches on.
Not only is this not true, it's so obviously not true that you really need to take a step back and wonder what the hell you have going on that led you to even entertain the idea that it could be true.
Actually, it's considerably more true than not:
Their policy is actually quite a bit different than what Duke said (no surprise)
Under 18. No boosters. No first shots. Exceptions based on doctor recommendation.
18-50 No boosters. Exceptions based on doctor recommendation.
50 and older and anybody with vulnerable relatives or working in the health sector or working with vulnerable people: Encouraged to be vaccinated and boosted.
It's deeply weird that you feel a partisan urge to defend a claim that's not true.
People who haven't been vaccinated can still get vaccinated. So no, not true, nor "more true than not."
If the claim had been limited to under 18, yeah.
EDITED
We have achieved very high population immunity in Denmark. This is due both to the high adherence to the vaccination programme and to many people previously having been infected with covid-19. However, we expect that this immunity will gradually decrease over time. In addition, we know that covid-19 is a seasonal disease and that the number of infections are expected to increase during autumn and winter. We expect that a large part of the population will become infected with covid-19 during the autumn, and we therefore want to vaccinate those having the highest risk so that they are protected from severe illness if they become infected.
Furhter:
The Danish Health Authority will offer variant-updated mRNA vaccines in the autumn vaccination programme. These vaccines have been approved by the European Medicines Agency.
The vaccination, which will be offered during autumn/winter 2022-2023, consists of a variant-updated vaccine. The influenza vaccines are updated every year, and the covid-19 vaccines have likewise also been updated to target the Omicron variant more effectively.
The variant-updated vaccines have been adapted to the variant that is dominant in society.
Their health economists have decided that the benefit of a full population seasonal booster program does not outweight the costs and so have targeted it to ... I'll WAG about half the population (over 50s, at-risk under 50s, health workers and anybody else who works with high-risk groups, anybody who spends substantial time with an at-risk person (relative, etc.)
Again this is very weird! It was an obviously false claim, you didn't need to weigh in to try to defend it (by, to be clear, posting a bunch of words confirming that Duke's post was wrong). No one read this and said, "huh, Duke is wrong, so therefore JE must also be wrong." (Well, you had that reaction, I guess, but no one else did.)
The Danes currently have a vaccination policy in place that isn't remotely the same as America's -- so it's no wonder that you now go to herculean lengths to downplay its significance.
Well I think to be clear everyone else understands the words except for, apparently, you and the duke.
People can still get Covid vaccinations in Denmark, and in fact are encouraged to do so! Contrast that with duke's (false) claim, that you are continuing to defend for bizarre reasons known only to you:
That is, obviously, wrong. Why are you spending your time this way?
Meanwhile, the United States, nearly alone in the West, is pimping vaccines for all age groups, including children over six months.
He was, crucially, entirely wrong.
Herculean = like 28 seconds of reading, this does not reflect well on you.
This is very different than what Duke was claiming. Again, outside of those under 18.
You seem to be mistakenly thinking that I have shared some thoughts about current American covid vaccine policy rather than having merely weighed in on a ridiculously wrong post about Danish vaccine policy.
Acknowledging that, for you, reading even a single sentence takes "herculean effort," I would encourage you to reread the original claim:
and then compare and contrast it with all of the various other things you've typed since then, and really consider whether that original claim was right or wrong. And then further, I'd again ask you why you choose to spend your time this way.
Denmark's full vaccination rate is one of the highest in the EU and the world (84% full course - trailing only Spain and Portugal in the EU).
However, some people lack the intellectual capacity to consider that one factor (very high level of initial course of vaccination) might share cause/effect with another factor.
There's no use in engaging JE's silliness here, guys - he's not even trying to hide that he's just throwing gorilla dust.
"When contacted by Reuters, the Danish Health Authority pointed to further guidance on the autumn/winter seasonal plan for vaccination roll-outs and highlighted one quote that said: “Children and adolescents only very rarely have a serious course of illness due to COVID-19 with the Omicron variant, which is why the offer of primary vaccination for children between five and 17 years will not be a general offer, but can be given after a specific medical assessment”
In other words you can't get a vaccine unless your dr orders you one and what's really going on there is that the govt is telling doctors not to order one.
FYI I lived in Denmark and have friends there and they said it's clear, the govt doesn't want people getting the vaccine anymore unless they are at high risk. It's clearly better now for people to get it and develop immunities like every other virus we've ever had
The US has incredibly high rates of vaccination. 65-70% with most of the people who haven't had it being young. We look just like Denmark: high rates of vax and high rates of covid. There's nothing materially different about them than us (or any other developed country )
Finally, the president himself just said the pandemic is OVER. I'd like to think our heath orgs would take the hint and ban the vaccine in the same way.
Which mandates are these? I'm in Vermont (83%) and I'm not aware of any. Or (by using "remained") are you bringing up the past to conflate past and present and cause confusion?
That much is true! If we were at 84% and didn't have a significant portion of the population insisting vaccines are worthless, we'd have a
different policy. The Danes understand vaccines *work*, and have had far less resistance than the US in that regard.
At 47, I'm shocked to learn that I'm about to become "really old". I'm guessing that duke guy is part of Gen-Z given his clear disdain for the over-50 crowd. Someday he'll (hopefully) realize that one can still be quite spry at 50 - and beyond!
Does this mean that any adult in any age group can get a booster as long as they pay for it, or am I misunderstanding?
Americans aren't stupid - you don't need the govt to lie about this stuff and create a two-tier world of vaxxers and anti-vaxxers. The overwhelming data says most people under 65 are not at risk of death and virtually no one under 50 (statistically ) will die. From Day 1, the media and govt agencies ignored this (except De Santis). The govt uses anecdotal stories of young people dying to spook everyone.
The faster we move covid into the flu category the better.
nobody gets long flu
yeah. you right. i mean about stop engsging. i don't post the covid stuff
I think it's too much to ask to think there's anyone running the site.
Link to raw data for anyone who wants to see that we could fill almost 2 of the modern baseball stadiums with COVID dead 0-49 year olds. If that counts as "almost nobody" then, I mean, sure, I guess lots of things we're supposed to be excited about cause people die are irrelevant too.
For people who like baseball (and that normally means having a good idea on statistical interpretation), I'm shocked that some argue 65-70% vax rate is comparable to 84% too. But, I mean, I guess Arozarena and Trout are comparable, right?
What's the % of people who have received 1 booster? 2? 3?
As to 65 being like 85, it is when the difference is, again, a bunch of young people who aren't at risk of dying. Our vax rates of people who are at risk is in the 80-85% range and that's all that really matters
As to trolls, I guess Biden is trolling too when he says the pandemic is over. We now have both major parties saying the pandemic is over but most of you are still hand-wringing about people who won't get shots are wear masks.
Just to be clear, at this point we're not talking about turning society on its head, we're talking about whether to provide / encourage / require vaccination. (And one of the reasons the fatality numbers are not much higher is precisely *because* 65-70% of the population got vaccinated.)
I'm always interested at what is considered a "nothing" and what is worth major inconvenience etc. We still make people take their shoes off before getting on planes and don't let them pack normal toiletries in their carry-ons because of a few failed terrorism attempts. We basically upended the entire world order because of a terrorist attack that killed a small fraction of those killed by COVID. We have caused widespread suffering in our war on drugs even though drug overdoses kill a fraction of the people that COVID does. The same people who supported all of those things thought requiring a shot or a mask was a bridge too far.
I've always considered that a nothing.
That even this month more than 800 teachers and aides in the City of New York got terminated -- with apparent approval from one of the most powerful unions in the country -- vividly demonstrates how science takes a back seat to politics and backward thinking.
How or why this bizarro, flatly false assertion (to the contrary) was necessary is more or less the crux of it.
If people think modest distancing, masking, and adding a vaccination to our schedule because of a fresh entrant into the human infectious ecosystem is "turned on its head", there is nothing you can do to help them I guess. But, society is allowed to use punitive measures against these folks the same way they do people who allow their lawns to grow to 2-3 feet high in dense suburbs and cause pest and other problems for their neighbors. Externalities are a thing. If all the risk created by a refusal to vaccinate was carried by the refuser, nobody would give a crap if people vaxxed or not.
People need to grow up if they think rather minor measures are society-changing.
Abolishing in-person K-12 schooling forever? That would be society-changing.
It's pretty straight forward: one person is sort of a standard 2020s partisan liar, the other is a cynical, dishonest #### who makes this place worse with every post he makes. The rest of us are (admittedly foolishly) yelling at those two.
I'm not even sure what most of you believe as of today: that covid is still a dire threat to humanity largely the same as two years ago. How could you believe that? Is it just that like everything else today that if people don't believe what you believe need to be demonized?
I don't believe you're a troll, but I do believe you lied about vaccines being banned for whatever reason.
I also believe that I'm more careful around people than prior, because my FiL is 85 and a diabetic and incredibly high-risk to become seriously ill and die. My mother's husband is 81 with congestive heart failure issues. I go out to eat, I went to the NY State fair three weeks ago, I laughed with my wife about finding a mask in a pocket from "another time". My wife owns and teaches at her private, unmasked ballet school. I'm still careful about being too close to people for too long in lines, etc., and will noticeably move away. I would and will certainly wear an N95 on upcoming flights, and I will get boosters as time goes on. This care, and attention to medicines is too much trouble and cellophane for you, I do understand. Maybe you don't ever hang out with people in the higher-death brackets you might pass illness to, or don't care if you do.
I mostly live my life like I did before the pandemic, with a few exceptions. I wear an N95 mask when I fly or when on the subway. I haven't attended church since before the pandemic, except for funerals, at which I wear an N95 mask. I do have older relatives but mostly I don't want to catch COVID. I'm somewhat concerned about any possible long term effects. I don't think we know everything about this virus.
Also, I got my booster. I don't understand anyone saying not to get it. I get a flu shot every year. And while plenty of people don't, there's no government recommendation NOT to get it. In fact, they specifically recommend it. COVID is demonstrably worse than the flu, so getting a flu shot and a COVID shot will be my normal.
I don't mask unless I don't feel well, as I'm not stuck inside for long periods of time with people. If I were, I'd mask. Running through the supermarket in 30 minutes doesn't warrant wearing a mask.
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