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Sunday, April 22, 2007

Carbo bats high in life comeback

The instability of Carbonic acid?...Not any more.

Bernie Carbo admitted that his addictive personality got him into steady drinking at 16 and full alcoholism by 19. He credited former Detroit Tigers manager Sparky Anderson and former Red Sox executive Tom Yawkey with taking him under their wings and helping him keep the “giants” of drugs and booze “under control.” 

But in the end, he said, neither man could be there all the time.

In 1993, he hit rock bottom and realized he needed more help. He found it in God, he said.

His family had disintegrated. His mother committed suicide. His three daughters went to jail for selling drugs, and one is still incarcerated. He is in the process of adopting his three grandchildren, ages 9, 6 and 4.

He said major leaguers over the last four decades have had to face an increasing number of the devil’s temptations: liquor, womanizing, marijuana, cocaine and now steroids. He said there is more hope now, because players are turning to God for strength during this decade.

Repoz Posted: April 22, 2007 at 01:23 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. tfbg9 Posted: April 22, 2007 at 07:06 PM (#2342219)
Good for him.
   2. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: April 22, 2007 at 07:45 PM (#2342279)
He shouldn't have taken advice from Tom Yawkey on how to keep his drinking "under control."

I grew up in New England and as early as I can remember I heard his name and what he did in the 75 WS. It is an awful situation he is in. Good luck to him.
   3. McCoy Posted: April 22, 2007 at 07:46 PM (#2342286)
Good for him.

Good for him? His three children are in jail and now he is adopting his 3 grandchildren. Forget good for him if the cliche is to be applied to anybody it most definitely should be applied to him.
   4. tfbg9 Posted: April 22, 2007 at 08:07 PM (#2342321)
???
   5. McCoy Posted: April 22, 2007 at 08:24 PM (#2342347)
Yes so what is this his seventeenth time he has climbed back from the abyss? Compassion? Sure, but compassion doesn't mean you offer up 3 lambs to the slaughter.
   6. McCoy Posted: April 22, 2007 at 08:39 PM (#2342375)
Who in turn possibly passed it up to his grandchildren who he now has to raise. Yep that is the guy I want to raise me if I had a say. He sure did a good job dealing with it the first and second time around, maybe third time is a charm. Ooooh, crossing my fingers.
   7. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: April 22, 2007 at 10:10 PM (#2342435)
Oh geez.
   8. tfbg9 Posted: April 22, 2007 at 10:40 PM (#2342446)
I hope he pulls it off.
   9. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: April 22, 2007 at 10:45 PM (#2342447)
Did a post get eaten? If yes, then here it is: Bernie Carbo should have his grandkids taken away from him!!
   10. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 23, 2007 at 01:26 AM (#2342620)
Wow, did BC eat your dog or something? Jesus.
   11. base ball chick Posted: April 23, 2007 at 01:43 AM (#2342645)
no i don't EAT dogs.

mccoy, you don't know what the f*** you talking about. this man he has lived thru addiction, has learned to deal with it, know how to talk to people about it, that is a guy who knows how to raise kidz who they probably got the family disease too. he been clean and sober over 10 years. he's not no sammy stewart, poor guy.

you think it is so easy for kidz to get raised in foster care that is their age? with the addiction dna they got without none of their own family there? you got any idea how many kidz are lucky enough to find a foster home will take 3 kidz their age all of them - like almost none.

yeh it would be so wonderful if these magic perfect parents just suddenly appear they got no faults and they somehow know how to deal with kidz got no daddy, they mama inside for drugs, they got the addiction dna genes - it is gonna be REAL tough for them to stay clean..

people CAN beat addiction and turn their life around. not all addicts end up ken caminiti.
   12. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: April 23, 2007 at 02:37 AM (#2342706)
Who in turn possibly passed it up to his grandchildren who he now has to raise. Yep that is the guy I want to raise me if I had a say. He sure did a good job dealing with it the first and second time around, maybe third time is a charm. Ooooh, crossing my fingers.

Looks like it's time to up your meds again.
   13. baudib Posted: April 23, 2007 at 02:55 AM (#2342724)
I don't see any proof that he has learned to deal with addiction. He's a loser who couldn't raise his own kids, there's no way he should get custody of three more.
   14. a bebop a rebop Posted: April 23, 2007 at 03:06 AM (#2342735)
I don't see any proof that he has learned to deal with addiction. He's a loser who couldn't raise his own kids, there's no way he should get custody of three more.


I didn't RTFA, but "clean and sober for 10 years" will maybe do the trick for you?
   15. baudib Posted: April 23, 2007 at 03:16 AM (#2342753)
No.
   16. base ball chick Posted: April 23, 2007 at 03:55 AM (#2342808)
baudib Posted: April 22, 2007 at 10:55 PM (#2342724)

I don't see any proof that he has learned to deal with addiction. He's a loser who couldn't raise his own kids, there's no way he should get custody of three more.


- patiently

SOME people grow the heck up. they repent. they CHANGE. he didn't rape/beat his kidz - he was a bad father because put drugs/alcohol first as what mattered in his life. drugs/alcohol been gone from his life 14 years.

and that shows the guy is the exact opposite of a loser.

there ARE people in life who deserve a second chance. and bernie he is one of em
   17. baudib Posted: April 23, 2007 at 04:13 AM (#2342838)
Three kids in jail is three strikes against him. Where's the evidence that he is capable of being a decent parent?

Grow the heck up? The loser is 59 years old, I s
hould say he should be grown up now.
   18. McCoy Posted: April 23, 2007 at 04:19 AM (#2342850)
Okay again where does a second chance for one man mean you involve three children? So do you mean he deserves a second chance after screwing up 3 childrens lives already?

Look you can pull the DNA-excuse out of your arse all day to explain away what happened (even though we have no idea that is true) but the fact remains that Mr. Carbo was neck deep in destructive self indulgent behaviour that helped destroy at least three other lives, and those lives happened to be the children he was responsible for. Yeah you can talk about the perils of foster care all you want as well, but again the fact remains that Mr. Carbo's life is basically the worst possible history one would want in a foster parent.

I mean I could just see him stepping up in the queue and saying "Hi my name is Bernie Carbo, I'm a drug addict and an alcoholic. I have three children, all of them went to jail, but I'm clean now and need some extra cash so I was wondering could I be a foster parent?"
   19. McCoy Posted: April 23, 2007 at 04:22 AM (#2342857)
Oh and to those telling others to RTFA, the article doesn't say he has been clean and sober since 1993. It merely says that was when he hit rock bottom and then subsequently found God. That does not mean he has been sober since then. All that means is that was his lowest point (in his mind) and since then he has been working his way back. The reality of the situation might actually be that he has been sober for a year, or since February, or since 2 O'clock this afternoon. We don't know.
   20. McCoy Posted: April 23, 2007 at 04:24 AM (#2342860)
I'm quite certain the courts went over his background pretty thoroughly before granting custody. That's where.

It doesn't say the courts have granted him custody. It says he is in the process of adopting them.
   21. base ball chick Posted: April 23, 2007 at 04:46 AM (#2342887)
baudib Posted: April 23, 2007 at 12:13 AM (#2342838)

Three kids in jail is three strikes against him. Where's the evidence that he is capable of being a decent parent?


- oh, how about the evidence that CPS is not trying to stop him from keeping the kidz

- and failing with your first set of kidz is NOT proof that you can't change and do a good job the next time. guess you don't know there is a LOT of grandparents raising grandkidz because their own kidz on drugs/in jail. just because the grandparents their own self wasn't on drugs, they was a "failure" by your standards. but it do not mean they can't do a better job the second time around.

- and just because you strike out your first time at bat don't mean you can't hit a homer the next time up.


McCoy Posted: April 23, 2007 at 12:19 AM (#2342850)

Okay again where does a second chance for one man mean you involve three children? So do you mean he deserves a second chance after screwing up 3 childrens lives already?


- that is right. he wasn't a rapist. he didn't beat them. THAT you can't change. irresponsibility - that you CAN change.


Look you can pull the DNA-excuse out of your arse all day to explain away what happened (even though we have no idea that is true)

- nope. i don't use it to explain nothing at all. i probably got that self same dna. because addiction/drugs/alcohol bad in MY family. but i didn't never take up with it. you don't HAVE to do it in the first place. and you don't HAVE to keep doing it. just like carbo. just like millions of other sobered up people.


but the fact remains that Mr. Carbo was neck deep in destructive self indulgent behaviour that helped destroy at least three other lives, and those lives happened to be the children he was responsible for.

- that is right. and you think he has not repented and changed and can't do a better job now that he is older and SOBER exactly WHY???


Yeah you can talk about the perils of foster care all you want as well,

- you are right and as a foster parent i can and do. you ought to check it out. maybe YOU should go and raise these kidz hmmmmmm


but again the fact remains that Mr. Carbo's life is basically the worst possible history one would want in a foster parent.

- nope. not by a LONNNNGGGG shot. ask your local CPS worker seeing as how you think you know it all.


I mean I could just see him stepping up in the queue and saying "Hi my name is Bernie Carbo, I'm a drug addict and an alcoholic. I have three children, all of them went to jail, but I'm clean now and need some extra cash so I was wondering could I be a foster parent?"

- ummmmm no
trust me on this the "extra cash" it hardly cover the electricity. you can't raise no kid on the food stamps/wic checks/"extra cash" you get. you disbelieve me ask your local CPS worker.

- and dude, there IS no "queue." there is a severe shortage of foster parents ESPECIALLY people who take THREE kids and as old as they are. cuz they are seriously old. foster parents don't usually take kidz over 2. kidz like them almost impossible to place and i am even assuming they are caucasian. and they gonna be even more afu you take them from their family too.

- go ahead, volunteer to be a foster parent. go on. see how YOU like all that "extra cash." start with a cocaine baby. see how far that cash go when you gotta buy snugglis and rockers and LOTS of extra blankies and onsies cuz they spitting all the time and that is just a start. yeh. you GO boy.
   22. McCoy Posted: April 23, 2007 at 05:19 AM (#2342912)
Ahh you do realize that the quote was fictitious right? I mean thanks and all for the little lesson on the shittiness of foster life and all. it isn't like practically everybody doesn't know that or something. I guess maybe if somebody didn't have a TV and missed all those very special episodes dating back to Different Strokes they might think it is a dream job.

- nope. not by a LONNNNGGGG shot. ask your local CPS worker seeing as how you think you know it all.

So are you saying Carbo would be an ideal foster parent?

- that is right. and you think he has not repented and changed and can't do a better job now that he is older and SOBER exactly WHY???

He might very well have but again I don't see a reason why somebody should risk 3 childrens lives to find out if he really did change. For whatever reason you think Bernie Carbo is Mr. Rogers now, why? What in that article would lead anyone to that conclusion? So if you were running social services and a guy with Carbo's track record came up to you and wanted 3 young kids who all probably have addictive personalities with bad traits already planted in them from all the years of living with bad parents you would say okay? I wonder what Mr. Wilson is doing, maybe he can get a kid or two as well.
   23. base ball chick Posted: April 23, 2007 at 03:37 PM (#2343123)
ideal foster parent?

what exactly is it you think that is? what exactly do you think is available out there?

if i was running social services and i had THREE siblings age 4,6 and 9 to place

- FIRST, social services TRIES to keep kidz with their family and TRIES to keep sibs together. it usually works out better than getting passed around to a lot of strangers. the more homes a kid go to usually the worse the kid turn out.
- SECOND, i would desperately be trying to find permannet placement because a whole lot of foster parents they don't want long time placements which means more than 3-4 months at MOST and getting a foster home for a 9 year old is VERY tough. i don't think we would agree to take a 9 year old. we sure as HECK wouldn't agree to take 3 siblings age 4,6 and 9 even if i KNEW it would only be for a few months ESPECIALLY if they wasn't family.
i don't CARE what they done on the tv.
- THIRD - IF grandaddy never physically or sexually abused his own kidz and he is clean and sober and yes they WILL check it been more than a few days or weeks and he got a good job and he took decent care of the kidz - and yes, i would most definitely guess he has legal custody of them right now, then hate to tell you this, but he IS a VERY ideal adoptive parent for his OWN grandchildren.

IF he just show up at social services and said - hi, i'm a recovering alcoholic and i wanna adopt 3 kidz age 4,6 and 9 - well,that would be, um, weird. but IF he got no record as a molester AND there is older kidz without no family be needing a home, you BET they'd take him.
   24. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: April 23, 2007 at 03:43 PM (#2343130)
It's a crappy world, McCoy, so it might be best for those kids to be put in the situation to which they seem to be headed. Their alternatives might well be far worse at this point.

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