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Thursday, January 16, 2020

Carlos Beltran’s “Alleged” Niece Is Now Going Off Saying Jose Altuve and Alex Bregman Wore Electronic Buzzers Under Their Jerseys - Barstool Sports

What a shitshow.

Jim Furtado Posted: January 16, 2020 at 07:12 PM | 127 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dock Ellis Posted: January 16, 2020 at 07:29 PM (#5916758)
ewwww barstool again

If you dont want to click them here are the tweets of the alleged niece

cant find the tweets that said this but apparently this person also broke Beltran's hiring and his firing so niece or not, this seems likely to come from someone close to Beltran.
   2. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 16, 2020 at 07:54 PM (#5916771)
Real person Trevor Bauer is backing the accusation, if not the source.
   3. JRVJ Posted: January 16, 2020 at 08:06 PM (#5916772)
2, Don't want to split hairs, but he's not quite backing the accusation as much as saying he's heard it, too (presumably from people within MLB).
   4. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 16, 2020 at 08:07 PM (#5916773)
I never believe #### like this but I'm starting to believe this ####.
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 16, 2020 at 08:10 PM (#5916774)
ewwww barstool again


Say it again louder for the people in the back.
   6. Khrushin it bro Posted: January 16, 2020 at 08:13 PM (#5916777)
That picture of a wire on Reddick seems pretty fishy too. That doesn't look like a mic to me.
   7. Tin Angel Posted: January 16, 2020 at 08:46 PM (#5916782)
That picture of a wire on Reddick seems pretty fishy too. That doesn't look like a mic to me.


Saw someone on Twitter trying to explain it as a "stuck piece of confetti." Does not look like that to me.
   8. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: January 16, 2020 at 08:49 PM (#5916784)
Oh boy.

So Beltran is married with kids and I'm thinking the "niece" is one of those "nieces" you only see whilst you are on the road and meet only the confines of a hotel room...This is purely speculation on my part but this young woman seems to know something that seems dodgy and apparently knew about the original Met's hiring prior to it being made public.

This is not the sort of information one would share with a niece, but perhaps rather a "niece" instead.

Man, this is gettin' ugly...
   9. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: January 16, 2020 at 08:58 PM (#5916786)
I’ve read that the “niece” is actually Gary Sheffield Jr. Don’t know if that’s true but I like that we’ve moved to the ridiculous.
   10. bunyon Posted: January 16, 2020 at 09:01 PM (#5916788)
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
   11. Sunday silence Posted: January 16, 2020 at 09:08 PM (#5916791)
Is it that hard to figure out who Beltrans bros and sisters are?
   12. PeteF3 Posted: January 16, 2020 at 09:16 PM (#5916793)
I’ve read that the “niece” is actually Gary Sheffield Jr. Don’t know if that’s true but I like that we’ve moved to the ridiculous.


No, Gary Sheffield Jr. tweeted that the "niece" is a burner account for a player. It would be quite the bluff if it was actually him trying to divert attention from himself.
   13. Dock Ellis Posted: January 16, 2020 at 09:18 PM (#5916794)
Yeah "Tio" just may be a term of endearment for one of the elder statesmen in the clubhouse
   14. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: January 16, 2020 at 09:24 PM (#5916797)
I've gone from being convinced this was real to thinking I'm an idiot for thinking it's real to IDK-SHRUG over the course of the afternoon.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: January 16, 2020 at 10:14 PM (#5916805)
Well, it is plausible, even obvious, that you would move to something more reliable and less audible than banging trash cans should such a relatively cheap and easy to work alternative present itself. So motive is there. Opportunity is obviously there so that leaves us with means. But in a universe where my rear derailleur for some reason insists on having access to my contacts, I find almost anything plausible. Of course for 99% of crimes, motive and opportunity are there and the tricky bit is proving this person implemented those means.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:14 AM (#5916813)
Not sure if they are accepting applications yet, but MLB may be hiring a bunch of Butt Buzzer Inspectors, in case any of you guys are looking for work.
   17. Jack Sommers Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:19 AM (#5916814)
   18. Baldrick Posted: January 17, 2020 at 03:05 AM (#5916822)
Hi, please don't link to Barstool, thanks.
   19. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2020 at 07:31 AM (#5916826)
I wasn't convinced about Altuve's vibrator before, and barstool sports makes it even less likely.
   20. bfan Posted: January 17, 2020 at 07:46 AM (#5916827)
please don't link to Barstool, thanks.


I love barstool sports and will eagerly consume their interesting product.
   21. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: January 17, 2020 at 08:38 AM (#5916830)
What do you like most about them, their chauvinist misogany or the misogynistic chauvinism? Or just their overall ############### and smug condescending juvenile harrassment? Maybe it's the nonstop sexual harassment or the overt and coded racism?
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 09:01 AM (#5916832)

It's not confetti

So, what, he just decided to show off his sign-stealing device while Altuve was vigorously guarding the secret?

The "wire" pretty clearly just looks like a necklace. That link doesn't show that it's not confetti either, although it could also be a bandaid.
   23. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 09:44 AM (#5916848)
please don't link to Barstool, thanks.


OTP has been terminated. I know it's almost impossible for certain elements to do it, but it would be nice if politics weren't interjected into a bunch of threads. The behavior is now bordering on addictive.

On the substance, I've never read a word Barstool has published and really know of them only through Deadspin's commentary, which was typically in the hissy fit and guilt-by-association vein. I most likely wouldn't read them, but my proposal would be that we have more links to Barstool, if only to vindicate the principle of a free press and the ability of adults to consume media and come to their own judgments about it, free from the interjection and book burning impulses of poorly-acculturated authoritarians.
   24. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2020 at 09:53 AM (#5916850)
I've never read a word Barstool has published, but let me disagree with people who've actually read the site about it anyhow.

It wasn't a ban, it was a request because they suck. If you want to give reason why they don't suck, feel free.
   25. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 10:14 AM (#5916857)
It wasn't a ban, it was a request because they suck. If you want to give reason why they don't suck, feel free.


I gave my reasons in 23. It's very weird -- read, authoritarian -- that people can't simply permit adults to read things and make their own judgments. I presume that you're able to consume content with which you disagree and not be swayed or brainwashed. If you read snippets of Mein Kampf, or the whole book, would you automatically be swayed into Nazism? No, you would not. It then follows as day follows night that if you can manage this dichotomy, then so can everyone else. You (*) aren't special in this regard. Stop pretending you are.

If people don't want to read Barstool sports, then don't read Barstool sports. It's that simple.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the word "ban."

(*) Not just you, of course.
   26. winnipegwhip Posted: January 17, 2020 at 10:25 AM (#5916861)
it was a request because they suck


Can some Sabrmetricians put an equation together to measure how much players or websites suck. What would the acronym be? Suck Level Undermining Team?
   27. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: January 17, 2020 at 10:29 AM (#5916863)
SBB - If you want to read barstool sports please feel free to go www.barstoolsports.com. For those of us who want to read interesting and well thought out articles about baseball we will continue to ignore it.
   28. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 10:35 AM (#5916864)
SBB - If you want to read barstool sports please feel free to go www.barstoolsports.com. For those of us who want to read interesting and well thought out articles about baseball we will continue to ignore it.


I just said I've never read it and don't really have any interest in reading it, so please refrain from distorting what I said. I advocated additional links to it to vindicate a principle, and will re-advocate it here, but I won't be reading the links -- just as I didn't read this one.

You are entirely free to ignore it, and I've already said exactly that in my second sentence of 25. Ignore away. Say it sucks away. Call them "racist" and "sexist" and all the other rote, robotic buzzwords away.

But those are entirely different things than the authoritarian request that it be banned and not linked to. I would hope the distinction between these things is obvious. "I will ignore it" is entirely different than, "I demand that no one be able to read it."
   29. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM (#5916870)
Barstool is free to publish what they want, but we don't have to promote them or drive clicks and $ their way by linking to them if they are really as odious as claimed. Certainly not while many other sources are providing the same content.

Linking to them is the opposite of ignoring them. And not linking to them, and requesting that others not link to them, is different from banning them.
   30. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:00 AM (#5916874)
Barstool is free to publish what they want, but we don't have to promote them or drive clicks and $ their way by linking to them if they are really as odious as claimed. Certainly not while many other sources are providing the same content.


There's no corporate "we" to speak of here. It's a diverse set of people, much as some would like it to be otherwise.(*) I'm sure there are sites linked to here that others don't really like, but it's only a very few people who start demanding that those sites not get linked to. No one's demanding that leftist sites not get linked to. (And if they did, my position would be exactly the same.)

The people making the demands are in no position and have no standing to start making judgments about "odiousness" that in any way bind others here. If they think it's too odious for them, they don't need to read it. Simple.

And not linking to them, and requesting that others not link to them, is different from banning them.


It's the same thing. One person here has said he likes to read the site. (I assume he was serious.) Why should the site he likes be banned? Is he demanding that sites other people like be banned?

(*) And notwithstanding the authoritarian effort, successful to an unfortunately high degree, in driving the diversity out of the site. Doing that, getting OTP terminated, and then using the open canvas your actions have generated to continue to prattle on about politics is pretty low stuff. But not really surprising.
   31. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:15 AM (#5916877)
I tend to doubt that Barstool is getting many clickthroughs from here to matter...

But - piecing together some responses and making some logical deductions... I think it's also pretty ####### stupid for anyone to complain about "OTP" stuff when the source of TFA exists pretty much to *try* to inject such stuff into as many pieces as they can.

Barstool is basically what Deadspin sports would be if Steve Bannon bought it.
   32. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:20 AM (#5916881)
What do you like most about them, their chauvinist misogany or the misogynistic chauvinism?


Even without getting into that, the actual writing is terrible, and since they don’t really do original reporting, you’re almost always going to be better off linking to the original source of any particular piece of news, rather than the same stuff chewed up and re-written at a third-grade level.
   33. reech Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:22 AM (#5916883)
Barstool is garbage, however- it doesn't mean that they are always wrong
   34. . . . . . . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:27 AM (#5916886)
If you don't like barstool (and it is trash), don't read it, but it's offensive to police other people who want to link to it or read it. We linked to Deadspin back when it existed and that was trashy too.
   35. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:28 AM (#5916887)

No one's demanding that leftist sites not get linked to. (And if they did, my position would be exactly the same.)


Even leftist sites like this one?
   36. reech Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:34 AM (#5916889)
On another note- getting rid of the OTP thread was a great decision- those exchanges were ugly
   37. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:35 AM (#5916891)
We linked to Deadspin back when it existed and that was trashy too.


Deadspin was orders of magnitude better than Barstool. Their writers were more talented, and they actually created some high-quality original content (e.g. here for one baseball-specific example).

Again, the reason to avoid Barstool isn't that it's trashy (thought it indisputably is) - it's that it's just straight-up badly written. We discouraged linking to Bleacher Report and Buzzfeed for the same reason, before they hired a few actual journalists to try and launder their reputations.
   38. flournoy Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:37 AM (#5916892)
Barstool is free to publish what they want, but we don't have to promote them or drive clicks and $ their way by linking to them


We discouraged linking to Bleacher Report and Buzzfeed for the same reason, before the hired a few actual journalists to try and launder their reputations.


Who is "we?"
   39. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:38 AM (#5916893)
Who is "we?"


Primates as a collective entity.
   40. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:42 AM (#5916894)
There is no "collective entity." A faction of Primates did those things. (*) There were no motions made, no votes taken, no contrary opinion sought.

(*) Apparently, anyway; I have no first-hand memory of it. It's obviously not surprising; there's clearly an authoritarian leftist faction of Primates, which is essentially why OTP got nuked. That and the thirst for violence often expressed by sub-factions of the faction, particularly after the election of The Orange Dunce. Oh, and the fact that the authoritarian leftism got trounced in the OTP marketplace of ideas; thus, the quest to nuke. Petty tyrants gonna petty tyrant.
   41. . . . . . . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:47 AM (#5916897)
Again, the reason to avoid Barstool isn't that it's trashy (thought it indisputably is) - it's that it's just straight-up badly written. We discouraged linking to Bleacher Report and Buzzfeed for the same reason, before they hired a few actual journalists to try and launder their reputations.


I thought the reason to discourage linking those sites was because they were exploitatively using barely paid or unpaid "writers" to produce content. My understanding is that that's not how Barstool works. They have real staff. It's just that their authorial voice is a guy who went to community college drinking in a sports bar in Waltham.

If the collective we is going to have to evaluate writing quality before we link to sites, we're going to have to drop some of the local newspapers on the baseball beat.

Also, you're full of #### and you're anti barstool because you don't like its politics. I don't like them either but dont #### on other people's beliefs.
   42. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:51 AM (#5916899)
SBB is 100% right, BTF is awful and by getting rid of the OTP thread and not linking Barstool we make it worse. If I were SBB I would never post here again.
   43. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:55 AM (#5916901)
I thought the reason to discourage linking those sites was because they were exploitatively using barely paid or unpaid "writers" to produce content.


There can be more than one reason. Though Barstool is also super anti-worker.

Also, you're full of #### and you're anti barstool because you don't like its politics.


The first time I decided that I didn't like Barstool was when its owner filmed one of its writers naked in the shower, explicitly without his consent, posted the video on the internet, and then bullied the writer for not wanting random strangers to see his dick. As low as my opinion of modern conservatism might be, I wouldn't describe that as a mainstream right-wing position. But hey, if you want to take ownership of it, please feel free...
   44. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5916903)
Though Barstool is also super anti-worker.


So was Deadspin. So are the Vox sports blogs. So is virtually every media outlet in the country, and a zillion other non-media businesses.

The first time I decided that I didn't like Barstool was when its owner filmed one of its writers naked in the shower, explicitly without his consent, posted the video on the internet, and then bullied the writer for not wanting random strangers to see his dick. As low as my opinion of modern conservatism might be, I wouldn't describe that as a mainstream right-wing position. But hey, if you want to take ownership of it, please feel free...


Deadspin went bankrupt because it published, without his consent, a video of Hulk Hogan #######.
   45. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:04 PM (#5916906)
So was Deadspin.


Not up until it was taken over and then killed by Spanfeller, no. As demonstrated by the fact that when its employees wanted to unionize, it bargained with them in good faith, rather than publicly violating federal labor law.

Deadspin went bankrupt because it published, without his consent, a video of Hulk Hogan #######.


So, uh, no it didn't. That was Gawker. And while publishing Hogan's sex tape was skeevy, what Portnoy did was an order of magnitude worse, in that a) he proactively created it himself, rather than publishing something created by a third party and b) he did it to one of his own employees, who was not able to push back against it very strongly due to the position of power that Portnoy held over him.

Also, as should always be noted when talking with you about anything, you have no fixed beliefs of any sort and would be perfectly happy to argue the opposite position if you thought it would better satisfy your pathetic, compulsive need for attention.
   46. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:13 PM (#5916911)
Not up until it was taken over and then killed by Spanfeller, no. As demonstrated by the fact that when its employees wanted to unionize, it bargained with them in good faith, rather than publicly violating federal labor law.


Spanfeller owned it, and that's what I meant. It was anti-worker for at least that long. No one ever suggested it shouldn't be linked after Spanfeller took it over.

And while publishing Hogan's sex tape was skeevy, what Portnoy did was an order of magnitude worse, in that a) he proactively created it himself, rather than publishing something created by a third party and b) he did it to one of his own employees, who was not able to push back against it very strongly due to the position of power that Portnoy held over him.


It was skeevy and illegal and massively invasive, for which they got their asses rightfully sued off, but, again -- none of that ever drove anyone here to suggest Deadspin shouldn't be linked. And Hogan wasn't able to push back either, due to the power that Deadspin held over him. He eventually sued, but didn't have the power to prevent the utterly juvenile -- pathetic, really -- publication of the video.

Also, as should always be noted when talking with you about anything, you have no fixed beliefs of any sort and would be perfectly happy to argue the opposite position if you thought it would better satisfy your pathetic, compulsive need for attention.


You say this a lot, but in fact my beliefs are entirely fixed. I'm an anti-authoritarian liberal. I'm not a big fan of 21st century identity politics and all the appendages. Everything I've ever written about politics here has been in that vein. I'm not exactly sure why you think me writing things on a message board evinces a "pathetic, compulsive need for attention" anymore than anyone else writing things on a message board does. The things I write tend to get me ignored more than get me attention.
   47. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:19 PM (#5916914)
It was skeevy and illegal and massively invasive, for which they got their asses rightfully sued off, but, again -- none of that ever drove anyone here to suggest Deadspin shouldn't be linked.


In part because, as previously noted, Deadspin wasn't the one that published it.

And this is why you had to change your username in order to try and trick people into interacting with you: You don't even make a pretext of arguing in good faith. It's just all about that dopamine hit from someone, anyone, finally acknowledging you in some way.
   48. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:22 PM (#5916915)
If you don't like barstool (and it is trash), don't read it, but it's offensive to police other people who want to link to it or read it. We linked to Deadspin back when it existed and that was trashy too.


Meh, I don't really *care* whether pieces from it show up on the sidebar or not... My main point is that I think it's patently absurd to complain about what items from it will inevitably spawn - this particular TFA lacks some of the particularly lovely nuggets you'd generally find, but its entire model is predicated on socio/political/cultural flavoring of sports journalism.

Sometimes, the baby and bathwater cannot so easily be separated - and barstool is one of those instances... so I'm just saying that it's inevitably going to lead what most people seem to say that they don't want (and ahem, what the actual poster of this item has said won't be tolerated :-))
   49. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:28 PM (#5916916)
You say this a lot, but in fact my beliefs are entirely fixed.


That part, at least, is true. Your one and only belief is that if enough people notice you, it'll fill the sucking void at your core.

You're wrong, of course. Which is why you've kept on with the same basic-ass reflexive contrarian shtick for more than a decade.

The things I write tend to get me ignored more than get me attention.


If you don't have any positive contributions to make, but have a desperate need for people to pay attention to you anyway, then negative reinforcement is better than nothing. It's the same sort of attention-seeking behavior typically seen in toddlers when they're acting out. Punishment isn't as good as praise, but for people to dislike you, at least they have to notice you, right?

You'd probably be better off working on becoming a person who can be happy with yourself without external validation and finding constructive outlets for your negative emotions, but hey, it's a free country.
   50. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5916919)
In part because, as previously noted, Deadspin wasn't the one that published it.


OK, their close affiliate under the same parent published it. Who cares? It's irrelevant. Daulerio was Deadspin's editor and Hogan intelligently sued the deeper-pocketed parent. Here's what he said in the trial:

Mr. Daulerio was asked by the plaintiff’s lawyer if he could imagine a situation in which a celebrity sex tape would not be newsworthy.

“If they were a child,” Mr. Daulerio replied.

“Under what age?” the lawyer asked.

“Four.”


Classy. But let's be sure not to link Barstool.
   51. Esoteric Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5916920)
hey guys wow isnt that astros cheating scandal quite the thing?
   52. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:35 PM (#5916923)
Hogan intelligently sued the deeper-pocketed parent.


Does filing a lawsuit against an involved party, rather than a totally uninvolved third party that had literally nothing to do with the situation in question, really count as "intelligent"?

I dunno. I don't have your degree in Fake Law from Fake State University in Fakesville, Illinois, so I'm hardly qualified to speak about such matters.

   53. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:37 PM (#5916924)
That part, at least, is true.


I know -- that's why I said it. You said the exact opposite right before.

Your one and only belief is that if enough people notice you, it'll fill the sucking void at your core.


But ... ummm ... people aren't noticing me.

It's the same sort of attention-seeking behavior typically seen in toddlers when they're acting out.


Typically, this type of thing is written by people who are envious of the attention they want, but see other people getting. Here the envy appears to be so high, the person wanting the attention exaggerates the attention the other person is actually getting. I'm really not getting the attention you apparently think I am.
   54. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:43 PM (#5916925)
Does filing a lawsuit against an involved party, rather than a totally uninvolved third party that had literally nothing to do with the situation in question, really count as "intelligent"?


"Totally uninvolved" is an ignorant and biased way to classify it, as is "literally nothing." (*) You must be seeking attention by writing such exaggeratedly ignorant things.

And, yes, it was obviously intelligent for Hogan to sue an entity that could pay the massive verdict he wound up winning. Extremely so.

(*)
Daulerio, for those who haven’t been paying attention, is the former editor of both Deadspin and Gawker who published the 2012 story about Hulk Hogan’s sex tape at the heart of the entire saga. He was sued by name alongside Gawker and Denton and is currently dealing with the fact that his assets are being seized by Hogan’s lawyers to cover the millions in damages won in court. Assets that, according to Daulerio’s lawyers, measure roughly $2,000 once you factor in his rice cooker and other belongings in with the $1,505.78 currently in his checking account.


   55. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:46 PM (#5916926)
Typically, this type of thing is written by people who are envious of the attention they want, but see other people getting. Here the envy appears to be so high, that the person wanting the attention exaggerates the attention the other person is actually getting. I'm really not getting the attention you think I am.


You must be seeking attention by writing such exaggeratedly ignorant things.


Hey, that's a good trick! Try and flip it around on me, as a distraction from the naked insecurities you've been smearing across every comment you've ever made for the last decade-plus. I'm sure nobody will be able to navigate past a sufficiently determined "I'm rubber and you're glue."

You aren't getting the amount of attention that you want to get, but that's only because there's literally no amount of attention that would ever satisfy you. At the end of the day, you still have to go home and be you.
   56. Esoteric Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:51 PM (#5916928)
PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT BARSTOOL AND WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD.

we nuked the OTP thread for a reason. stop stop stop stop stop stopstopstopstopstop please
   57. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:52 PM (#5916929)
Try and flip it around on me, as a distraction from the naked insecurities you've been smearing across every comment you've ever made for the last decade plus.


It's kind of par for the course -- symptomatic, really -- for authoritarian leftists to attribute criticism from non-authoritarians to some sort of psychological deficiency in the critic.
   58. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:55 PM (#5916931)
It's kind of par for the course -- symptomatic, really -- for authoritarian leftists to attribute criticism from non-authoritarians to some sort of psychological deficiency in the critic.


Well, the reversal didn't work - maybe we can try a distraction! Go chase that rabbit, everybody, and stop thinking about what SugarBear's life must be like for this to be the best use he can find for his time.
   59. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:56 PM (#5916932)
PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT BARSTOOL AND WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD.

we nuked the OTP thread for a reason. stop stop stop stop stop stopstopstopstopstop please


They can't help themselves. They're addicts.
   60. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5916933)
They can't help themselves. They're addicts.


And now projection! What a treasure trove of neuroses you have strewn in our path this day.
   61. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5916934)
Go chase that rabbit, everybody, and stop thinking about what SugarBear's life must be like for this to be the best use he can find for his time.


Like I said .....
   62. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:02 PM (#5916935)
And now projection! What a treasure trove of neuroses you have strewn in our path this day.


Well, luckily these threads stay up, making it easy for us to look and see who started the Barstool politics. And -- shock -- it was one of the most hideously addicted himself. It's like, right there.

   63. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:09 PM (#5916938)
And -- shock -- it was one of the most hideously addicted himself.


Welp, it didn't work the first time you said it, but maybe if you repeat it and try to brazen your way through, people will just go along with you? Sure, that's the ticket!

Plus a desperate invocation of politics, to try and give yourself an exit strategy by getting the thread shut down.
   64. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:10 PM (#5916939)
PLEASE STOP POSTING ABOUT BARSTOOL AND WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD.


Unfortunately, the guy responsible for the post appears to pay next to no attention to this site. Which is rather interesting.
   65. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:14 PM (#5916942)

Barstool is free to publish what they want, but we don't have to promote them or drive clicks and $ their way by linking to them

Who is "we?"

I can't speak for how others used it, but I meant BBTF as a website. BBTF does not have to publish Newsblog posts with links to Barstool, and posters here are free to voice that request, although others don't have to comply and the folks with the keys can continue to apply whatever standards they do.
   66. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:24 PM (#5916947)
The Founding Primate himself posted the Barstool link, so those who want to tell the world what they should or should not read should take it up with management. I’m happily unaware of exactly how bad some sites are that I seldom or never patronize, but I don’t really need anyone’s help to determine what I will read. I doubt that I an unique in that respect. BTW, the self-appointed censors here are vastly overrating the importance of an occasional BBTF link. Nobody is staving off bankruptcy based on what we do here.
   67. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:28 PM (#5916949)
Welp, it didn't work the first time you said it, but maybe if you repeat it and try to brazen your way through, people will just go along with you? Sure, that's the ticket!

Plus a desperate invocation of politics, to try and give yourself an exit strategy by getting the thread shut down.


My, my, is someone desperate for attention today.

But in any event, no, I have no interest in getting threads shut down. Not my thing in the least. But keep projecting.

And it's obvious who and what turned the thread political. Post 18 -- one of the board's most prominent authoritarians. He literally can't help himself.
   68. pikepredator Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:30 PM (#5916951)
hey guys wow isnt that astros cheating scandal quite the thing?


take it to the OTB thread.
   69. JJ1986 Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:32 PM (#5916953)
I hate Barstool and had no idea they were a right-wing pet cause.
   70. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:32 PM (#5916954)
The Founding Primate himself posted the Barstool link, so those who want to tell the world what they should or should not read should take it up with management. I’m happily unaware of exactly how bad some sites are that I seldom or never patronize, but I don’t really need anyone’s help to determine what I will read. I doubt that I an unique in that respect. BTW, the self-appointed censors here are vastly overrating the importance of an occasional BBTF link. Nobody is staving off bankruptcy based on what we do here.


I wasn't even really paying attention to this one, since we have like four or five sign-stealing threads going already and this one doesn't add anything.
   71. . . . . . . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:32 PM (#5916955)
If people keep trying to gatekeep links based on thinly-veiled political motives, don't act surprised when the threads turn political.
   72. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:34 PM (#5916956)
hey guys wow isnt that astros cheating scandal quite the thing?

In fairness, it's not like it's been ignored around here.
   73. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:40 PM (#5916958)
If people keep trying to gatekeep links based on thinly-veiled political motives, don't act surprised when the threads turn political.


They want a safe space for their political ramblings; that's why they got OTP nuked in the first place and that's why they always try to sneak politics into baseball threads now that OTP is gone and a lot of the counterveiling voices with it. A couple days ago someone posted a story from Slate -- of all outlets -- about the Mets rape investigation 30 years ago, pretty much just so people could come on and have the Two Minutes Hate they seemingly can't go a day without.
   74. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5916960)
My, my, is someone desperate for attention today.


He is, but I suspect that the kind of attention he's been getting in this thread is of a particularly unsatisfactory nature, given the desperate way he's been squirming when confronted.

But in any event, no, I have no interest in getting threads shut down. Not my thing in the least.


Well, not now that I pointed it out, anyway. No real way to salvage your dignity via thread shutdown if everybody knows that's what you were trying to do.
   75. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:48 PM (#5916962)
Can someone direct me to the instructions for ignoring a member. Thanks in advance.
   76. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:50 PM (#5916963)
Why do people keep referencing OTP? Nobody has brought up politics in this thread. The complaints about Barstool relate in large part to their sports content, not just some unrelated political opinions of their owner/editor.
   77. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:52 PM (#5916964)
Well, not now that I pointed it out, anyway. No real way to salvage your dignity via thread shutdown if everybody knows that's what you were trying to do.


Sure thing. What's next? Richard Sherman wanted Skip Bayless's show shut down?
   78. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:53 PM (#5916965)
Why do people keep referencing OTP?


See post 73.

Nobody has brought up politics in this thread.


Yes, they did. Post 18. You can pretend that was a non-political request if you want, but no one's buying it. And the act and the request themselves were political.
   79. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:54 PM (#5916966)
A couple days ago someone posted a story from Slate -- of all outlets -- about the Mets rape investigation 30 years ago, pretty much just so people could come on and have the Two Minutes Hate they seemingly can't go a day without.


A thread in which, interestingly enough, fully 25% of the posts, 13 out of 52, were by you. And one in which nobody brought up politics until you did in post #19, to complain about people talking about politics in a thread that was, up until then, almost entirely about bedtimes.

But you're totally not an attention-seeking troll who will say anything to get people to pay attention to you.
   80. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:56 PM (#5916967)
And one in which nobody brought up politics until you did in post #19, to complain about people talking about politics in a thread that was, up until then, almost entirely about bedtimes.


The posted article was political, in every dimension. One difference of course is that no one poltico-whined about linking to Slate -- an overtly-political source.

I didn't complain about people talking about politics; I posted about bedtimes and other stuff and then in like my fourth post said the post was political. Which it was. Then people started talking about political things and I didn't unilaterally withdraw, as I'm typically not going to if I'm around. Like I was here when post 18 hit.

But you're totally not an attention-seeking troll who will say anything to get people to pay attention to you.


Well, I've certainly got your attention but, believe me, I wasn't seeking it out.
   81. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:04 PM (#5916968)
You're right, I don't need trolling gatekeepers in my life.

80. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:56 PM (#5916967)
[ Ignored Comment ]


Better.
   82. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:20 PM (#5916971)
I didn't complain about people talking about politics; I posted about bedtimes and other stuff and then in like my fourth post said the post was political. Which it was.


This is basically Trolling 101. You know that what you said isn't true, and that because I linked to the thread, anyone who can be arsed will easily be able to tell that what you said isn't true, but by speaking dismissively about an emotionally charged issue (i.e. rape) and then trying to tie it to an unrelated but equally emotionally charged issue (i.e. politics), you can get that sweet, sweet hit of attention that you desperately crave.

Seriously, dude, it's ####### pathetic. Just get a dog if you're that desperate. They'll love you even when you don't deserve it.
   83. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:29 PM (#5916974)
This is basically Trolling 101.


No, it's nothing of the sort. (And "troll" isn't an adult word, by the way.)

You know that what you said isn't true, and that because I linked to the thread, anyone who can be arsed will easily be able to tell that what you said isn't true, but by speaking dismissively about an emotionally charged issue (i.e. rape) and then trying to tie it to an unrelated but equally emotionally charged issue (i.e. politics), you can get that sweet, sweet hit of attention that you desperately crave.


Sigh. No, I know that what I said is entirely true, which is why I was the one who led potential readers to the thread in the first place. And all your last clause is is a perfect example of why the article was posted in the first place. It was posted to let people vent at rape and then accuse those who wanted to say things more sophisticated and nuanced than that, and who didn't feel like smearing three never-charged black men, as being "dismissive" -- just as you've done. Anyone who looks would also see a similarity to this thread, wherein (purportedly) non-political reasons were proffered for the posting, but those turned out not to be true, too. Which is likely why the thread ended after I posted the 1992 NYT reporting of the story.

The thread was political in every dimension. Publisher of linked article -- political. Criminal justice -- political. Sexual assault investigations -- political. Moderns evaluating generation-old predecessors -- political. Intent and substance of many posters -- political.

   84. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:32 PM (#5916975)
Driving traffic? You means there's someone who reads TFAs? I haven't clicked on a Primer link since BPro went behind the paywall.

Also, Vlad, just put him on ignore.
   85. Rally Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:32 PM (#5916976)
And it's obvious who and what turned the thread political. Post 18 -- one of the board's most prominent authoritarians. He literally can't help himself.


Thanks for pointing this out. I missed it the first time but re-reading #18 it's quite obvious. The "please" and "thanks" in the request are certainly dead giveaways of the crypto-fascist.
   86. Rally Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:34 PM (#5916978)
Can someone direct me to the instructions for ignoring a member. Thanks in advance.


It's quite simple:
1. Make sure you are logged in
2. Click on the offender's screen name
3. Click on ignore member
   87. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:42 PM (#5916980)
The "please" and "thanks" in the request are certainly dead giveaways of the crypto-fascist.


As if the condescending inclusion of those terms makes a substantive difference. They read as snark and condescension. Perhaps they aren't. I doubt it, though. But it's an entirely political request.
   88. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:43 PM (#5916981)
It's quite simple:
1. Make sure you are logged in
2. Click on the offender's screen name
3. Click on ignore member
4.Actually ignore member; DO NOT CONTINUALLY PREEN ABOUT WHO YOU ARE SUPPOSEDLY IGNORING.
FTFY, you left out the most important part.
   89. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:43 PM (#5916982)
take it to the OTB thread.


:-)

I have an idea for another kind of containment protocol that would improve comity....
   90. Omineca Greg Posted: January 17, 2020 at 02:44 PM (#5916983)
This is basically Trolling 101


I was like so gonna take that. But it turns out it's only offered at two schools.

And they're both in Ohio. Trolling Green State University and The University of Trolledo.

Do you know how much they want to charge a foreign student to go to one of those? Outrageous. The tuition is too damn high! No wonder everyone is worried about student debt. They should do something about that...like have a forgiveness program.

Wait a second...did I just shoehorn politics into a thread where it doesn't belong?

Well, yes, it's shameful, I agree, but you're missing the point...

I've already mastered Trolling 101! There was no reason for me to take the class in the first place, because I'm qualified.

Where I learned how to do that...[wait for it]...[wait for it]...IS AN EXERCISE BEST LEFT TO THE READER!!!

All caps and multiple exclamation points. I'm a master.

To be honest, it's not as hard as it looks.
   91. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 03:29 PM (#5917002)
Also, Vlad, just put him on ignore.


I dunno, man. I think it's important to remind him once in a while that we all know exactly who he is and what he's doing, and that when he does it, he's just wearing his weakness right out on his sleeve for everyone to see.

He won't stop, because he can't, but all that pity probably takes a lot of the fun out of it.
   92. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 03:41 PM (#5917009)
I dunno, man. I think it's important to remind him once in a while that we all know exactly who he is and what he's doing, and that when he does it, he's just wearing his weakness right out on his sleeve for everyone to see.


I have to say that it's very strange to see a purportedly adult man continue to write these psychobabblish schoolyard things, in lieu of any real substantive engagement. Though it's certainly understandable why he'd resist the substantive engagement, seeing as what typically happens. "Deadspin didn't have anything to do with the Hulk Hogan sex tape." "You know you lied about the Slate thread." "You want the thread to be shut down." "We don't want Barstool linked to because they're anti-worker." Etc., etc., one after the other.

You can't really compete substantively unless you're around like-minded people, or less-capable people, and so what happens is that you realize it and then you lash out with all manner of weirdness and laughably-off-the-mark psychobabble. It would probably be better for you to simply put me on ignore.
   93. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 03:53 PM (#5917013)
It would probably be better for you to simply put me on ignore.


It would certainly be a lot easier and less embarrassing for you if people didn't call you out, sure. Which is part of why I do it. You shouldn't get away with peeing in the pool just because you don't mind being covered in pee.

If you don't want people to call you out for being a sad-sack troll, then don't troll. Here endeth the lesson.
   94. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 04:00 PM (#5917015)
It would certainly be a lot easier and less embarrassing for you if people didn't call you out, sure. Which is part of why I do it. You shouldn't get away with peeing in the pool just because you don't mind being covered in pee.


It's also very strange to see a purportedly adult man continue to strut around insisting that he's accomplished a bunch of things that he hasn't accomplished, particularly when those things involve purportedly single-handed rescue. Talk about psychologically needy. Wow.
   95. flournoy Posted: January 17, 2020 at 04:01 PM (#5917017)
You can't really compete substantively unless you're around like-minded people, or less-capable people


This is the impetus behind cancel culture.
   96. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 04:06 PM (#5917020)
It's also very strange to see a purportedly adult man continue to strut around insisting that he's accomplished a bunch of things that he hasn't accomplished


Remind me of where you went to law school, again?
   97. KronicFatigue Posted: January 17, 2020 at 05:12 PM (#5917035)
Sexual assault is "political"???? #### that human beings endure is not, in and of itself, political. That Mets article was jarring, and yes, you can't help but view it through a 2020 vs 199(2?) lense, but come on, that's not political.

There's nothing worse than clicking on a thread and seeing it being overrun, once again, by the same person.
   98. . Posted: January 17, 2020 at 05:16 PM (#5917038)
Remind me of where you went to law school, again?


Why? There's nothing really all that legal about anything I post here and I doubt I've appealed to authority on legal matters more than a handful of times in a decade-plus. I may never have.

Oh, and by the way, the "fake law school" thing is also acutely psychologically needy. "I can't really compete with you substantively, so I'm going to write out loud that you're a fake lawyer. Even though you never really talk about law." Advanced stuff. Mature. Impressive.

   99. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 05:37 PM (#5917043)
Why?


Because you falsely claimed to be a lawyer on numerous past occasions, before getting called out by the actual, verifiable lawyers who post on the site. One can only speculate as to why you would claim accomplishments that you clearly do not possess, though it never stops being funny to see you accuse others of things of which you yourself are guilty.

It's also interesting to realize that you think that having a J.D. would a) make people respect you, in spite of the way you act and b) make your terrible legal opinions any less terrible.
   100. Hot Wheeling American Posted: January 17, 2020 at 05:43 PM (#5917044)
I doubt I've appealed to authority on legal matters more than a handful of times in a decade-plus

Lot of cites to wikipedia. Da Wiki Lawyer.
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