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Wednesday, July 17, 2019

CBSSports: Dodgers’ Justin Turner defends Phillies pitcher who plunked him, telling umpire he shouldn’t be ejected

After Verdugo homered to make the score 12-1, Yacksel Rios hit Turner in the leg with an 84 mph breaking ball and was immediately ejected by legendary blowhard Doug Eddings. Turner started taking off his gloves and shinguard, then turned around and was confused to find Rios had been ejected. The batter (and at least one other Dodger in the dugout) joined Gabe Kapler, Realmuto et al in arguing with the umpire on the pitcher’s behalf!

Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 17, 2019 at 01:48 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. flournoy Posted: July 17, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5862662)
   2. Howie Menckel Posted: July 17, 2019 at 05:49 PM (#5862714)
yeah, I saw this. you can lipread Realmuto going "It was a slider!" while Turner looks absolutely mystified.
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2019 at 06:19 PM (#5862721)
(and at least one other Dodger in the dugout)


Yeah, Pederson said, "that was a curveball."

If the other team is arguing against an ejection, do the right thing and say, "My bad."
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2019 at 06:21 PM (#5862722)
Apparently, Aaron Boone would have booted him as well.

   5. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 17, 2019 at 06:24 PM (#5862723)
If the other team is arguing against an ejection, do the right thing and say, "My bad."

Probably the least likely outcome when dealing with some in an unaccountable position of authority.
   6. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 17, 2019 at 06:47 PM (#5862726)
Haven't seen it discussed anywhere else so I will feel free to barge in and point out Marisnick trying to keep his team in the dugout after he got hit. Similar to Turner, he was sticking up for the opposing pitcher. Now, whether he thought it was intentional or not, he at least had to have expected it and been ok with getting hit. For as bad as that collision initially looked, Marisnick has come out looking pretty darn apologetic and diplomatic about it, kudos to him for trying to make a shitty situation better.
   7. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 17, 2019 at 06:49 PM (#5862727)
I dont get the announcers claiming Kapler 'needed' to get tossed. His pitcher is already out of the game and both teams think it was a bullshit call, what does getting thrown out do?
   8. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: July 17, 2019 at 06:49 PM (#5862728)
Probably the least likely outcome when dealing with some in an unaccountable position of authority.


In my HS umpiring g career, I have twice reversed erroneous calls/signals. Both times the calls were a result of me signaling too quickly.* Both times, the head coach of the losing side, went apeshit, and both times they told me that the reason they were so upset is because I admitted I was wrong. they both agreed my initial call was incorrect, but umpires should stick with their initial call no matter what. Left unsaid by me was "So does that mean you will never argue a call again in the future?"

Anyway, I don't claim that this was Eddings motivation. Just adding a little color.

*one time was when I indicated a swing when it was clearly not and quickly reversed the call. The other was when I indicated a swing that wasn't, but this was strike 3 for the third out. It wasn't a swing, but a foul tip on a pitch up and in that the batter flinched at, did not swing, but the ball ticked his bat and the catcher caught it. It was strike 3 inning over anyway, but I made the wrong signal. So not really a reversal.
   9. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 17, 2019 at 07:19 PM (#5862735)
Anyway, I don't claim that this was Eddings motivation. Just adding a little color.

Your story does add some interesting color and probably (in the sense that it jives with the experience of other authority figures that cop to their mistakes) explains why so many authority figures choose to dig in rather than own up to reality. Good for you though for doing what's right!
   10. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: July 17, 2019 at 07:40 PM (#5862741)
Thank you. In the latter example, the tantrum by the coach was inexplicable. His batter was out either way. he was upset that I changed the call*, and I so wanted to say to him, "OK, I stick with the original call. Swinging strike three, inning over. Happier now?" But you can't do that. Or you shouldn't do that. Good umpires shouldn't. Be professional, stick to your guns, correct your mistakes if feasible.

* And it wasn't the wrong call per se. I knew it was a foul tip, but I signaled swing. When the coach went apeshit, my first reaction was "Oh ####, I did it again. I'm going to have to bring the defense back on the field." But I quickly remembered it wasn't a swing but a foul tip. He went batshit over that, and under normal circumstances I would have thrown him out, but because of my mistake I let him have some leeway. Oh, and this came in a game they were losing 10-1 with 1 inning to go and had only 1 baserunner the entire game.
   11. GregD Posted: July 17, 2019 at 08:11 PM (#5862749)
Ron Luciano relates similar stories in his books. Being wrong is forgivable but changing your call is unforgivable. This is treated as a peculiar natural fact, like gravity, as something umpires just have to live with. Similar advice is passed along in basketball refereeing at various levels. Someone who changes calls is going to be viewed by the players and coaches as despicably weak.

   12. Zonk Has Two Faces, Both Laughing Posted: July 17, 2019 at 11:04 PM (#5862778)
That’s why when I mucked up a call, I made sure to call someone out and make a very visible and emphatic safe signal.... when everyone was confused and demanding to know which I meant, I would measure reactions and outrage for a moment, bellowing back “what do you think I just called!,!??!”

Eventually, it would all sort itself out.

Someone would either yank the kid off the bases in a huff or play would continue with the runner on base.
   13. flournoy Posted: July 18, 2019 at 12:14 AM (#5862782)
I learned a lesson when I was about twelve playing an adapted three-man baseball-like game in the backyard with a couple of neighbors. The catcher had to call balls and strikes, and I hemmed and hawed about one pitch, not sure how to call it. Both of the other guys saw it as an opportunity to plead their cases, and I realized I was going to really piss off at least one of them when I made the call. If I had just picked "ball" or "strike" immediately, there wouldn't have been any problems.

I officiate pretty regularly now in another sport and am required to make judgement calls with some regularity. I am diligent about making all such judgement calls promptly and confidently. Haven't had any problems yet.

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