Great, now everyone is going to know that the White Sox still think Vanilla Ice is a legitimate entertainment option.

Texas has been going about it all wrong. If they really want to promote gun proliferation, they need to frame it as either more guns in society or more Vanilla Ice concerts. Take your pick.

Didn’t realize Ice was still doing concerts.

I used to use names of musicians and put them into my microleague/APBA/OOTP

Vanilla Ice was drafted, appropriately, by the Alaska Snow Sox. He’s long since retired, that was over 30 years ago.

From the people who brought you Disco Demolition Night.

Back in my day, the only physical threat at a White Sox game came from father-and-son thugs attacking an umpire.

When I was a kid, the White Sox had an annual bat day when they gave real bats to kids, not tiny souvenir bats. I used my Dick Allen model for years. Even 50 years ago handing out 10,000 clubs to fans was a questionable idea and I think they switched to tiny souvenir bats a few years later.

I've never understood the nostalgia music market. Nothing wrong with old music -- I'm listening to some Coltrane as I type -- and if you want to pay money to see the Stones or Springsteen, nothing wrong with that. But why anybody wants to see a novelty act (or often several) from 30 years agao, I do not get. I understand if it comes on the car radio or the bar's PA then, sure, you belt it out. (Hopefully not in the supermarket.) But to actually seek it out? To be clear, this happens with every generation. I watched The Monkees TV show when it first aired and they made plenty of money off of my cohort as a nostalgia act.

I get nostalgia music, I don't get shitty nostalgia music.

What's the point of the metal detectors if they don't stop the guns

In what alternate reality can multiple people be shot at a public function which then proceeds business as usual? It was in the third inning. The shooter had not been apprehended. It's not like looking at the radar to see when the thunderstorms leave.

This song immediately came to mind:

Well, the South side of Chicago
Is the baddest part of town
And if you go down there
You better just beware
Of a man named Leroy Brown

grabbed my nine, all I heard were shells fallin

@jmetr22b

After 2 women were mysteriously shot at Guaranteed Rate Field on Friday night, a Chicago police commander on scene told the White Sox that Chief of Patrol Brian McDermott wanted the Sox to stop the game for public safety reasons.
But they kept playing.

If there is a problem, yo, Chief of Patrol Brian McDermott will solve it

Did the shooting sound like, “duh duh duh dada duh duh” with the little “” dada” in it?

There's a video of the bleachers where it happened from home plate area and it appears to be completely random. As if the bullets came from outside the stadium.

So I guess it's ok to continue the game if the bullets came from outside.

This may be a reinsdorf ploy to move the team. "See. Look there. Our customers are being shot at"

I've never understood the nostalgia music market. Nothing wrong with old music -- I'm listening to some Coltrane as I type -- and if you want to pay money to see the Stones or Springsteen, nothing wrong with that. But why anybody wants to see a novelty act (or often several) from 30 years agao, I do not get

It's a relatively inexpensive night out for folks who maybe can't afford Springsteen or want to see some live music that reminds them of their youth more often than when one of those really prominent tours come around. The industry and the culture can't live on just the premium stuff alone, and if artists can keep supporting themselves playing cheap-date-night shows and audiences are seeing live music as a regular activity rather than just a special treat you have to save up for, that's a good thing.

(Also applies to baseball, the movies, live theater, restaurants, etc.)

People didn’t pay to see Vanilla Ice, it was just a free post-game concert, right?

Anyway, I’ve gone to my fair share of 80s/90s nostalgia shows. Vanilla Ice wasn’t one of them but I won’t judge anyone who has gone to see him.

Vanilla Ice appears to be on a nostalgia tour packaged together with a bunch of other artists from the 90s that had a hit or two amd very little commercial appeal on their own. They're playing a mix of dates where you have to pay to see them or a sponsor is bringing them in for free.

This headline cut off after "Vanilla Ice" on my screen when I loaded up BBTF. Naturally I thought Vanilla Ice and/or the V.I.P. was involved in the shooting.

What a relief!

Vanilla Ice and the V.I.P. Posse, one of the most famous redundant acronyms along with ATM machine.

As a mid-40s guy, I don't mind the nostalgia tours, I saw Spin Doctors earlier this year at a city festival (they were overplayed, but I'll go to bat for "Pocket Full of Kryptonite" as a legit great album). On a whim, I looked up some of my other faves from the same era, Toad The Wet Sprocket is touring, so are Gin Blossoms. Pearl Jam never stopped touring. Soundgarden broke up, then re-formed but Cornell passed away.

I, for one, am grateful for nostalgia tours. I've been playing shows with The O'Jays since 2012 and got a call last week to play with a local singer who's one of the opening acts at a music festival next month being headlined by Salt-N-Pepa.

#3 He had a long running home improvement show. Ran from 2010 to 2019. He does seem to be at least a moderately talented home contractor.

Maybe he hit the nostalgia tour (though is anybody really nostalgic for Vanilla Ice?) after the show wrapped up.

I'm a sucker for all kinds of nostalgia crap and I think I could out-embarrass anyone on forgotten bands/artists that I'd get all ridiculously excited about going to see at a county fair or whatever... and not even limited to any specific genres!

But I think I would actively pass on Vanilla Ice. Like, I think I would really just hate that. Even the one song I'd recognize, I might make it 30 seconds before wanting to leave.

Just to level set? I'd be thrilled to go see, say, a Spice Girls reunion tour.

Nostalgia tours... it depends. If it's the original band playing, or the main core of the prime-period band, sure.

If it's just four or five randos who happen to have the rights to the band's name, then hard pass on my part. I can catch a cover band downtown for a lot less money.

That's what I liked about Rush. Decades after the band's prime, when you bought a Rush ticket, you were going to see Geddy Lee, Neil Peart, and Alex Lifeson.

Speaking of, Joan Jett is in the booth for the Orioles now.

On a whim, I looked up some of my other faves from the same era, Toad The Wet Sprocket is touring, so are Gin Blossoms. Pearl Jam never stopped touring. Soundgarden broke up, then re-formed but Cornell passed away.

Seems unfair to list Pearl Jam with the Spin Doctors or Gin Blossoms or Toad the Wet Sprocket as "nostalgia acts". I mean, I'm not the biggest fan in the world, and of course they're decades past the peak of their popularity. But they'll release a new album at some point, and what's left of rock radio will still play a song or two, and it'll still sell decently, and they'll still be able to headline their own shows at major venues. None of that is true of those other bands.

Didn't mean to lump them together, I was just doing a mental list of my favorite bands from the ~1991-92 time frame. Obviously Pearl Jam has had a much more successful and lengthy career than any of the others.

The nostalgia acts are fine. As Jay said, it's a fun night out. I have friends who were big into the hair metal scene in the 80s and those bands still come around pretty regularly and play small venues. My buddies all go and hear songs they have loved since they were 15, sing along and have a great time.

I’d go to the show described in #17. Not sure if I’d pay to see Vanilla Ice by himself.

I’ve gone to a bunch of nostalgia shows over the years (Boys II Men, Janet Jackson, Eric B & Rakim to name a few), but most of them had many more than one hit. The closest thing would be going to see Onyx (“Slam!”) a few years ago. But they were actually pretty good, and also had a bunch of other Queens hip hop artists performing with them.

Um.

@peggykusinski

As I reported on @ESPN1000 just now… the shooting at Guaranteed Rate Field during a #WhiteSox game was indeed an accidental discharge by one of the women “grazed” by the bullet. She reportedly snuck the gun in past metal detectors hiding it in the folds of her belly fat.

I must have an out-dated concept of belly fat because belly fat used to just be fat. It didn't used to be so dense as to obscure a handgun through a scan.

No arrests?

Darn, they'll probably be tightening security at Camden Yards tonight. I was going to sneak in a pair of scissors to get rid of Dean Kremer's ridiculous manbun... :)

It didn't used to be so dense as to obscure a handgun through a scan.

"You want to reach in there and check?"
"That's OK ma'am, enjoy your evening."

Um.

It's only speculation, but for some odd reason - the names of the victims have NOT been released. This is unusual - generally, they are. CPD is also VERY oddly holding back a lot of things around the investigation that only happens when the "shooting" emanates from a gun belonging to a certain type of person.

So - again, just speculation....

- Odd lack of information not being released
- No IDs of the grazee (or the other victim)
- Seems likely an accidental gun discharge

Now... however loose and ridiculous stadium security theater is - who actually risks or would best be able to actually get a gun into the park?

Add it up -- and I have a guess what happened here.

I don't mean to disparage folks who go to cheesy pop nostalgia shows (that's not disparaging, just a statement of fact! :-) just saying that I really don't get it. Like I really don't get why people would watch most reality TV or read generic romance novels. But also in the sense that I used to love The Banana Splits as a kid -- even a member of their fan club -- but FFS I out-grew that (and the Monkees) over 50 years ago. If you want to relive the past, relive something that was good then and you still think is good now. :-) Still, I don't consider it a moral or aesthetic failure that somebody might go see Vanilla Ice, I'm just saying I don't get it.

(Obviously many people don't get why I might actually watch an Oakland A's game and I'm not sure even I get why I'm streaming Castle as my time-killer right now -- it's even worse than I remember and I don't have the excuse of being a kid when I first saw it.)

Tangentially, I am "sensitive" when it comes to music -- amateurish (i.e. poorly played) cover bands, karaoke, a bar full of people shouting along to Bon Jovi drive me nuts. But that's not relevant here, I assume the nostalgia tours are professionally run.

(And yes I know Ice was just a free concert at the end of the game but still the team books these shows expecting them to boost ticket sales which means some folks at least consider Ice to be the tipping point.)

Just to look back at the original news story - and the initial press release from the CWS and CPD (CPD made the call it was not an active shooter situation and let the game continue)...

My bet on my speculation grows even bigger.

It sounds pretty damn obvious it was "known" at the time what happened. And of course, now we have OTHER obvious questions - like what happened to the gun? How in the world was it not immediately recovered?

The police had a pretty damn good idea what happened and who was ultimately going to known as the responsible party for the shooting. There are multiple reasons this clown shoe is dribbling out details that all revolve around the identity of the person who almost certainly brought a gun into the park and had it accidentally discharge. But... they lead directly or indirectly back to a pretty obvious conclusion.

BTW - I also see it was Tone Loc with Vanilla Ice... I'd see Tone Loc perform. I was a fan.

But... they lead directly or indirectly back to a pretty obvious conclusion.

Um, Calista Flockhart?

Um, Calista Flockhart?

Maybe if her father is the district attorney.

I honestly am not sure what Zonk is insinuating. If I had to guess, he’s saying that it was likely an LEO who brought the gun and accidentally discharged it at the stadium?

And yeah, I’d see Tone Loc with or without Vanilla Ice.

I honestly am not sure what Zonk is insinuating. If I had to guess, he’s saying that it was likely an LEO who brought the gun and accidentally discharged it at the stadium?

This would be exactly my guess #1.

Guess #2 would be "someone who knows someone".

The evolving clown show - which really began from the moment they didn't stop the game - just screams "We need some time to cook up a story here."

When you add it all up - not stopping the game, the odd lack of info being released, the goose chase, no gun recovered even though apparently, the graze wound came from the owner who the police clearly know but nobody else knows?

If this was some rando mope, we'd know the name of the rando mope.

EDIT: And I'll add again, whatever you think of lax security or security theater... who would actually try to sneak a gun into the ballpark except A)Reggie Jackson, or B)someone who would generally face zero penalty having a gun somewhere they weren't supposed to have one?

am resisting urge to add a "donut joke" here given the supposed means of entry - but my willpower may not last forever...

Zonk may know more about extremely obese Chicago women who inhabit the Guaranteed Rate Field bleachers than the rest of us, but I, too, am not sure what his ‘pretty obvious conclusion’ is. Does some politician or their relative fit that description?

If I had to guess, he’s saying that it was likely an LEO who brought the gun and accidentally discharged it at the stadium?

In many jurisdictions police officers are required to carry a weapon while off duty. If that’s the case in Illinois or Chicago, it wouldn’t seem to make sense to sneak a weapon in when you could just show your badge. Also, could a women with sufficient rolls of fat to conceal a handgun (it was a handgun, no?) actually pass the physical requirements to be a law enforcement officer?

And Clapper is apparently so addled that - after four days of reports, all of which were obviously predicated on leaks, because nothing was in any official or on the record statements (which have been oddly limited and don't include the "victim" names nor even the caliber of the bullet which has been in police possession for 4 days) - one of the local sports reporters has gotten the golden leak that has every last, exacting detail down cold.

But what do you expect from someone in the thrall of a gameshow host.

I bet they were school teachers

I bet they were school teachers

*One* of the two wounded (supposedly) is. However, we don't know which one (the 42 yo or the 26 yo... EDIT: the 26 yo is the belly graze, who, if reporting is accurate, had the gun. But - we don't which one is... again, supposedly, the teacher).

The most information we've gotten is from a fan/doctor who treated both initially.

In an interview with NBC 5 Investigates, Dr. Jeanne Farnan, who was sitting in the center field bleachers, said she treated a woman with an obvious wound to her leg. A few seats below that, she found another victim with a graze wound to her stomach.

“I asked her where she was hurt, and she lifted her shirt up and she had what looked to be a cigar burn on her abdomen .. someone had put a towel on it and I walked her back over to where the first woman was," Farnan said.

Farnan also told NBC 5 Investigates that someone showed her a bullet, which she handed over to White Sox security.

Now... you tell me.

Unless this Dr Jeanne Farnan is lying, all of this was known to the police that night.

So... you've got "A" bullet. I suppose it might not be the one fired (EDIT: deleted, unclear if there were two bullets found), but supposedly, this is turned over.

I'm neither a doctor nor a forensics expert, but golly... cigar burn on the belly. Someone a couple rows away shot in the leg. We got the bullet.

God, the reporters are just so awful at writing this.

Based weeding through the awful relaying of information - I have managed to reconstruct the crime scene.

A woman in row 105 (making that up, stay with me) received what a doctor describes as obvious bullet would to her leg. Another woman, in row 103 (made up) reports a "cigar burn like wound" on her abdomen. Someone *else* feels a pain/burn on his neck, and discovers a bullet. This bullet is handed to the doctor (?) who hands it to security.

Now, let me play Lennie Brisco here for a moment... but was there any indication of damage or something piercing or hitting the (lemme do the math) HANDFUL of seats between the belly wound, the leg wound, and the person with the hoodie that supposedly turned over the bullet?

My long 2 hours of detective experience leads me to the theory of the incident. A gun in the possession of the woman seated a few rows lower than the leg wound woman was discharged. This created what I suspect is a pretty damn telltale burn mark. The bullet then struck the women several rows up in the leg (and probably something else, as I can't imagine keeps the bullet in such close proximity otherwise) before finally landing in the hood of someone's clothing.

Golly, I think I might have solved this one.... and I didn't need four days and search of the south side to do it.

Related:
I read this fascinating article in the New Yorker yesterday about a guy in prison who stole millions from rich folks' bank accounts, that included this passage:

"Investigators informed Georgia’s Department of Corrections, which began looking for the second device. In November, guards at the Special Management Unit found two phones on Cofield, including one hidden in the rolls of his stomach."

Plot thickens further. *Still* unidentified - not even by rando e-news sites - woman has a lawyer. Who released a statement saying “nope, not her!”

So, I’m still going with my initial thought LEO or someone connected. No rational (or at least good) reason for run around. If she lawyered up immediately, that only adds to my suspicion.

The alternative is that I should get a break on my property taxes because damn. Unless the doctor quoted above is a fraud and liar? CPD wasted 3 days with the outside the park nonsense.

At this point? I almost hope my suspicion is correct because the alternative is just rank incompetence.

I’ll allow a 3rd possibility. White Sox park security incompetence not just at the security theater check, until/if Sox security screwed up the initial stuff until a cop was at the immediate scene. But - that just spreads the incompetence and/or malfeasance blame around a bit.

Utter clown show

I’m still going with my initial thought LEO or someone connected.

Anything is possible, but there wouldn’t appear to be much reason for a law enforcement officer to sneak a weapon into the ballpark when they could legally do so under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (LEOSA), which allows police officers to carry concealed weapons not only in their jurisdictions but in all 50 states, and the territories of the United States, provided certain conditions are met, and with minor exceptions not relevant here. It should also be more comfortable to carry properly holstered rather than hiding a weapon in one’s rolls of belly fat.

Anything is possible, but there wouldn’t appear to be much reason for a law enforcement officer to sneak a weapon into the ballpark when they could legally do so under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (LEOSA), which allows police officers to carry concealed weapons not only in their jurisdictions but in all 50 states, and the territories of the United States, provided certain conditions are met, and with minor exceptions not relevant here. It should also be more comfortable to carry properly holstered rather than hiding a weapon in one’s rolls of belly fat.

See, the disagreement here is that you accepted the LE-leaked story - that the gun was smuggled in within rolls of belly fat - to be factually true, and can't make sense of Zonk's conclusion on that basis, whereas Zonk is saying the LE-leaked story is a BS misdirection from LE that, when combined with the other elements of LEO action on this case fitting patterns of other cases, suggests a LEO is culpable. If you didn't start from the premise of well we KNOW it was smuggled in belly fat you could see how he fit the pieces together.

The latest is that the woman in question

(a) did not have gunshot residue on her clothing (source: police), and

(b) did not set off the metal detectors but the person in front of her did, indicating that the metal detectors were not broken at the time she entered (source: White Sox security after reviewing video footage from the entrance).

...so it would appear that the LE-leaked story might very well be BS. Was it just incompetent or reckless speculation? Or was it misdirection? Zonk seems to say the latter, but with CPD I don't think you can ever rule out the former. So I'm not where Zonk is yet.

I'm confident that if a LEO is culpable the LE community will bury it as long as they can. OTOH I'm also confident that LEO will be further embarrassed the longer it takes for them to solve a high-profile case that happened in the public surrounded by security theater and CPD presence, so the incentive to hypothesize publicly with something, anything, to suggest the culprit is known and under control will be significant whether the culprit is LEO or not. Two days ago the shots were from outside the stadium; yesterday they were from belly fat in the stadium; today, outside the stadium again. They don't know, and they're still investigating, and investigation is a good thing here... but they're publicly speculating, and it ain't a good look.

But I think I would actively pass on Vanilla Ice. Like, I think I would really just hate that.

How dare you slander the man who uttered the deathless phrase, "Drop that zero, and get with the hero!"

In many jurisdictions police officers are required to carry a weapon while off duty. If that’s the case in Illinois or Chicago, it wouldn’t seem to make sense to sneak a weapon in when you could just show your badge.

It's not quite that simple. My sister-in-law is a federal agent and is indeed required to carry while off duty (provided she is not drinking or similar), and she's been denied entry into theaters despite showing her badge and explaining her legal requirement to carry. I think it depends on the venue's own rules.

Two reactions to the turn this thread has taken:

1) Not really relevant, but over twenty years ago now I guess, I went to Six Flags in Houston (the apparently now-defunct Astroworld) with a Houston cop and his wife, who was a coworker at the time. The cop goes through the metal detector with his gun concealed, obviously setting the metal detector off, and then he proceeded to berate the security people for not knowing he was a cop and allowed to carry his gun. It was the biggest pure a**hole move I've ever seen in my life. His poor wife - considerably younger than him, as I'm sure you'd assume - was as sweet of a person as I knew, I wonder what ever happened to those two. His wife left that job not long after and I never heard from her again, and that was the only time I ever spent with that guy - he spent the whole day as the perfect stereotype of the kind of guy that you definitely did not want to be a cop. I was told at the time that he had failed some kind of test to become a cop, and then became one anyway when he sued for something or another, but I don't know how true that was. Later in the day he told his wife that she didn't need to eat a hot dog because she was already starting to get a little big, like just in front of everyone. I kinda hope she killed him in his sleep at some point and got away with it.

2) I am self-conscious about my weight at times, but I am now thankful that I am nowhere near the point where I have fat folds big enough to hide even a roll of Smartees, much less a gun.

#55 I’m just curious, why would we assume his wife was considerably younger than him?

Anyway, all of the reporting on this story has been terrible—articles contradicting each other without explanation, etc. At this point I have no idea what happened.

First, I’d find it rather astounding that anyone can be forced to let someone onto their property with a gun. An official on duty, in performance of their duties? However, this isn’t some ADD accommodation - so regardless of whatever rules exist for off-duty LEOs, the idea that they have to be let in a park or a building or whatever with that gun? Come on.

Second, though, back to the original story and #56. Yes. Surreal clown show. The local media is attempting to outdo the CPD and the CWS in clownishness.

This is one reason I’m clinging to news items like the NBC5 piece above. It names an individual who is named as a doctor that claims to have treated both the leg wound and belly graze. She’s quoted directly. So - either she’s real or she’s not.

I…. Can’t… fathom how this whole story not only keeps going, but gets murkier and worse.

It’s not that big or important of a story. Most likely it will fade away and we’ll never know what really happened.

"First they came for the journalists - and after that, I don't know what happened."

Or, they’ll release some info in a few months and we’ll be the only ones who notice it.

Confirming Eddo poster. Have multiple family members working as feds (FBI, Border Patrol, Treasury) and each is required to carry pretty much all the time

FWIW I talked to my cousin in FBI and he totally agrees with belief that this a cover up if an off duty cop He thinks the guy (says this bs is always a guy) showing off that he got past security with his piece. Told someone he was with and that person said no way so he pulls it out to show and fires the gun. But thinks might be a personal weapon of light caliber or otherwise at close range would have done worse damage. That part he isn’t clear as why everyone got off light in terms of injuries.

If not for the nostalgia tours, would this thread be longer than the actual musical career of Vanilla Ice?

I kid, I kid...anyone who can somehow get permission to include a sample from Queen will have their song live a long time. Probably longer than they deserve?

But Vanilla Ice was hot garbage from start to finish.

He's from Detroit (or at least somewhere in Michigan) and loudly represented himself as such (and still does), but in his only hit video he's wearing a sweatshirt of Miami Hurricanes, and dancing while obviously not singing. A disaster. From the moment of his debut, he fell out the door and down the stairs in a manner than would have made Charlie Chaplin jealous, but because his song is a little bit catchy we're still putting up with him.

And I'm not saying this as some rap hater? He just wasn't a good rapper, and his packaging was a mess. The first CD I ever bought was Beastie Boys "License to Ill" and I have plenty of Kool Moe Dee and early LL Cool J. Tone Loc? Yeah, got him on vinyl. Would probably see him again, on a nostalgia tour. Saw him once before, with Milli Vanilli (and Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam with Full Force, Information Society, Was (Not Was), you know, the Club MTV Tour?). Someone above mentioned Janet Jackson, I saw her on the Rhythm Nation 1814 tour. I have an Adidas hat, autographed by Run, DMC, and Jam Master Jay (I earned it at a 10K race, and wore it for a while before I met them and they signed it, it is sweat-stained and worth nothing except the story, so do not attempt to trace my IP and break-in to steal it).

Whodini, J.J.Fad. A cassette single of Young MC. Of course House of Pain and Maestro Fresh Wes, but also Chubb Rock and Shabba Ranks...I'm not saying my collection is all gold? But it certifiably does not include Vanilla Ice.

By “fires the gun” don’t mean person did intentionally. Just totally stupid and careless.

He's from Detroit (or at least somewhere in Michigan) and loudly represented himself as such (and still does)

Didn’t Vanilla falsely claim to be from the streets of Dallas or something like that? You might be thinking of that other white rapper guy.

Edit: per Wiki

“Robert Matthew Van Winkle was born in Dallas, Texas, on October 31, 1967.[7] Van Winkle has never known his biological father; he was given the family name of the man his mother was married to at the time of his birth.[8] When Van Winkle was four, his mother divorced. Afterward, he grew up moving between Dallas and Miami,[9] where his new stepfather worked at a car dealership.[8]”

Huh.
You are correct, ElRoy. And it shows how much I've followed the career of Vanilla Ice?
Perhaps I was thinking of Kid Rock in some of the details?

I thought that idiot was from Detroit.
Apologies to Detroit and Michigan.
And Miami, and Texas.
But I still do not own any Vanilla Ice.

Vanilla Ice very much branded himself as a Miami guy ("my town that created all the bass sounds"). His Miami hard-knocks story started to unravel after a Texas paper published an article about him growing up there soon after Ice Ice Baby got big.

Dallas has streets? I thought it was just stroads and toll roads. :)

Dallas has streets? I thought it was just stroads and toll roads. :)

Cattle ranches, oil rigs, and book depositories.

So seventy posts in & y'all haven't solved ####--I think my man Ice anticipated this kind of situation:

Gunshots raged out like a bell
I grabbed my 9, all I heard were shells
Falling on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper, the avenue's packed
I'm trying to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene, you know what I mean?
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends

anyone who can somehow get permission to include a sample from Queen will have their song live a long time

He very famously did not have permission from Queen (or David Bowie) to include the sample. He sampled it and Queen and David Bowie did not receive credit until the song became a hit and they sued.

In fact, Ice said in an interview that the melodies were slightly different, with an extra beat in his (Votto references this in post 13). He later said he was kidding, but he was probably not.

Gary Gulman - In Defense of Vanilla Ice

Richard Jenkins and Mary Steenburgen with the final word on Ice Ice Baby