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Commissioner Rob Manfred Comments On Minor League Baseball Reorganization

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Commissioner Rob Manfred addressed reporters Thursday at the owner’s meetings in Arlington, Texas. He spoke on a wide array of topics, including the Astros’ sign-stealing allegations, a reported tense discussion with the MLB Players Association and the proposed reorganization of Minor League Baseball.

Here are Manfred’s comments on the proposed reorganization of MiLB, and MLB’s position on the matter.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 22, 2019 at 12:30 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: November 22, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5903194)
I believe many people dislike the commissioner but I find that unlike most CEOs he has great clarity whether it be this issue, the Astros, the making of the baseball etc. whether you agree or not with MLB policies I think manfred is excellent at the PR part of his job.

Now if I turn around and look at the NFL........
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 22, 2019 at 01:37 PM (#5903198)
I believe many people dislike the commissioner but I find that unlike most CEOs he has great clarity whether it be this issue, the Astros, the making of the baseball etc. whether you agree or not with MLB policies I think manfred is excellent at the PR part of his job.

I'd greatly prefer a CEO who makes good strategic decisions and sucks at PR, to an idiot who's great at PR.

PR can only save you for so long.
   3. The_Ex Posted: November 22, 2019 at 01:37 PM (#5903200)
Looks like the league is indeed playing hardball.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: November 22, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5903202)
I think manfred is excellent at the PR part of his job.


I'm willing to consider that.
   5. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: November 22, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5903207)
This is Manfred being good at PR? Telling the minor leagues that they need to pay their players more?

I saw Manfred speak at a conference soon after he took his job. Adam Silver was at the same thing. There was no comparison as far as which one was the better promoter of his sport.
   6. Karl from NY Posted: November 22, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5903213)
Manfred's go-to "We'll consider it" is a great PR response for almost anything. Nobody can get mad at someone for considering something, but it also doesn't actually promise any action.
   7. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 22, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5903228)
I also do not think Manfred is particularly good at PR.
   8. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 22, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5903240)
Manfred's go-to "We'll consider it" is a great PR response for almost anything. Nobody can get mad at someone for considering something, but it also doesn't actually promise any action.
You can only do that for so long before the ridicule overcomes whatever benefit that tactic initially produced. Manfred’s willingness to “consider” anything jumped the shark long ago.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: November 22, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5903256)
This story about Manfred's opening salvo in CBA talks seems the more important story.

He is alleged to have said there will be no economic concessions to achieve labor piece and maybe the Marvin Miller system doesn't work anymore. (The latter point might be correct but is an aggressive way to start things off.)

(Sorry if that story has already been posted and I haven't scrolled down to it yet.)
   10. Bote Man Posted: November 22, 2019 at 05:05 PM (#5903292)
MLB HQ and team owners have determined that the best way to get all those golden eggs is to slice open that goose right down the belly.
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 22, 2019 at 05:36 PM (#5903301)
It takes some nerve to attribute the desire for these cuts to the movement of minor league franchises, and then turn around and list Chattanooga, which has been in continuous operation in the same city since the 1880s, on the cut list.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 22, 2019 at 06:37 PM (#5903318)
MLB HQ and team owners have determined that the best way to get all those golden eggs is to slice open that goose right down the belly.

Yeah, let's provoke a strike that will cost us $5B rather than give the players an extra $100M a year.
   13. Bote Man Posted: November 22, 2019 at 07:14 PM (#5903323)
A fool and his money...

were lucky ever to have come together in the first place.
   14. bads85 Posted: November 22, 2019 at 07:27 PM (#5903330)
It takes some nerve to attribute the desire for these cuts to the movement of minor league franchises, and then turn around and list Chattanooga, which has been in continuous operation in the same city since the 1880s, on the cut list.


There are a few head scratchers on the list. Frederick, MD. Williamsport. Staten Island. Daytona. Lexington. Jackson. Fresno getting demoted to A+.

Also of note, there are ten former Astros affiliates on the list, plus Fresno's demotion.
   15. winnipegwhip Posted: November 23, 2019 at 01:04 AM (#5903369)
So what Manfred is saying is we may not have Major League Baseball for some time in a couple of years and we are gonna make sure fans have as little baseball alternatives as possible.

A serious question, is the reduction of minor league teams a cost cutting procedure to help reduce costs in the upcoming war. While there is a labor stoppage the minor league salaries will still need to be paid. The owners might as well pay as little as possible.
   16. winnipegwhip Posted: November 23, 2019 at 01:08 AM (#5903370)
I hope these communities and their owners are contacting their representatives in Washington. It may be time to review that anti-trust exemption that states baseball is not a business but a sport.
   17. winnipegwhip Posted: November 23, 2019 at 01:14 AM (#5903371)
I call bullshit to Manfred's claims of minor league teams riding school buses.
   18. Raoul Duke Posted: November 23, 2019 at 04:37 AM (#5903376)
I can see why they want to ax Chattanooga. It's not a baseball town, regardless of its history.
   19. manchestermets Posted: November 23, 2019 at 07:44 AM (#5903381)
It takes some nerve to attribute the desire for these cuts to the movement of minor league franchises, and then turn around and list Chattanooga, which has been in continuous operation in the same city since the 1880s, on the cut list.


Especially with that disingenuous "Gee, they're taking advantage of the communities" bs as if they aren't constantly using the threat of moving to extort communities themselves.
   20. Scott Lange Posted: November 23, 2019 at 08:22 AM (#5903383)
I can see why they want to ax Chattanooga. It's not a baseball town, regardless of its history.

It was 5th in the 10-team Southern League in attendance this year, and seems to have been around that same level for at least the last decade.

I'm a lifelong baseball obsessive, but this assault on the minor leagues is one more nail in the coffin of my interest in the game. What a shame.
   21. Bote Man Posted: November 23, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5903420)
I'm a lifelong baseball obsessive, but this assault on the minor leagues is one more nail in the coffin of my interest in the game. What a shame.

The team owners and suits at MLB HQ have feet, so why not just shoot 'em??
   22. Stevey Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:37 PM (#5903763)
While there is a labor stoppage the minor league salaries will still need to be paid. The owners might as well pay as little as possible.


And add a bunch of not completely untalented players to the list of potential scabs too!
   23. Traderdave Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5903768)
Why does MLB care? MiLB is not a competitive threat. It's a bonus in that it drives fan interest in the game. And if a franchise wants 6 farm teams instead of 4 or 5, let them if they're willing to pay.

Why does MLB care at all about the number of minor teams?
   24. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 25, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5903781)
because they cost their mlb affiliates money to run and, at the end of the day, the same # of big league players will be produced.
   25. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: November 25, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5903807)
That misses Traderdave's point. If the Marlins want to save money by only having 4 minor league teams while the Yankees want 9 teams to maximize their chances of finding useful spare parts, why not let the Yankees have 9 teams and the Marlins 4?

(The answer is probably in part that MLB is trying to promote competitive balance by not letting the Marlins and their ilk screw themselves over to save a few dollars.)
   26. jmurph Posted: November 25, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5903812)
That misses Traderdave's point. If the Marlins want to save money by only having 4 minor league teams while the Yankees want 9 teams to maximize their chances of finding useful spare parts, why not let the Yankees have 9 teams and the Marlins 4?

(The answer is probably in part that MLB is trying to promote competitive balance by not letting the Marlins and their ilk screw themselves over to save a few dollars.)

Right, to your latter point. The Marlins and the like want to save money and also not be hindered by the advantage that other teams might find by spending money.
   27. PreservedFish Posted: November 25, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5903814)
I assume it's because all of the MLB teams want to downsize their systems and they decided to put up a united front rather than each solve their own problems in piecemeal fashion that would inevitably result in them competing against each other for the 120 viable facilities. They're a cartel, they get to do stuff like this.
   28. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 25, 2019 at 03:40 PM (#5903817)
They're a cartel, they get to do stuff like this.

At least until Congress says they don't.
   29. PreservedFish Posted: November 25, 2019 at 04:00 PM (#5903825)
When this popped up last week I did wonder if the Antitrust Exemption carried some sort of understanding that major league baseball is in a way a kind of public cultural trust that contributes to the betterment of society and that it needs to be managed in deference to that fact. But no, the exemption was originally granted purely on some narrow legal point that only a law scholar would care about. Doesn't mean that Congress can't threaten the league with revocation of the Antitrust Exemption if it seems to be acting in an Un-American way.
   30. Cris E Posted: November 27, 2019 at 02:15 PM (#5904219)
It lets Manfred and the suits in NY be the bad guys instead of making the individual teams take responsibility for their own cost cutting decisions. Short term thinking focused on cost rather than building their market, same old same old.
   31. McCoy Posted: November 27, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5904221)
At this point in the game what market are they building?
   32. Bote Man Posted: November 27, 2019 at 06:12 PM (#5904275)
At this point in the game what market are they building?

They're tearing it down, not building it. Fewer baseball games means less visibility for the sport overall. I fail to see how this helps baseball at any level, unless they're cunningly reducing the supply to increase prices.
   33. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 27, 2019 at 08:32 PM (#5904286)
That misses Traderdave's point. If the Marlins want to save money by only having 4 minor league teams while the Yankees want 9 teams to maximize their chances of finding useful spare parts, why not let the Yankees have 9 teams and the Marlins 4?

I got the point. Put another way, they’ve the only legal cartel* in the country and don’t wanna #### it up.
I don’t think it has much to do with competitive balance. Rather, as it does, that’s a side “benefit” to real goal of ensuring everyone has a cost control.



* going for a reference here, rather than stating that as fact / this concerns development costs, not mlb player pay directly as in turner’s line

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