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Wednesday, January 22, 2020

Crane: Players will apologize in Spring Training

HOUSTON—The Astros will apologize for the role they played in the recent sign-stealing saga when they assemble in West Palm Beach, Fla., next month, team owner Jim Crane said while addressing reporters at the Houston Sports Awards in downtown Houston on Tuesday.

Crane, noting the criticism select Astros players have taken for not making more contrite public statements at FanFest last weekend, said the players will “come out with a strong statement as a team and apologize for what happened and we’ll move forward.”

Jose Altuve and Alex Bregman were the only marquee players from the 2017 World Series champion team to attend FanFest last Saturday. They each addressed the media but said little to clarify the role they and others played in the sign-stealing scandal from 2017 and part of ‘18 that led to Major League Baseball’s suspensions—and subsequent dismissal by Crane—of president of baseball operations and general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch, in addition to other penalties.

Bregman opted to repeat variations of a pre-planned statement that said, in essence, that MLB made its decision, the Astros made theirs, and he’d have no other comment on the matter. Altuve, while slightly more forthcoming, did not offer insight as to what role the players had in the sign-stealing scheme that led to the sanctions.

The sincerity of this is….suspect, shall we say?

 

QLE Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:39 AM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: apologies, astros, dirty rotten cheaters, jim crane

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   1. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:49 AM (#5918124)
Here's my prediction....

"I so sorry that some people were offended by our cheating scandal. It wasn't our intention to get.....errr....to hurt anyone. Our contracts are guaranteed, our owner can't do jack, and flags fly forever, #######.

And that's not confetti on Reddick, ass-holes....."

Jose Altuve and Alex Bregman
   2. Itchy Row Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:55 AM (#5918126)
Their apologies will be in a crude version of Morse Code tapped on trash cans.
   3. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:11 AM (#5918127)
This will be worse then them saying nothing.
   4. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:28 AM (#5918128)
The Nationals & Astros share Spring Training facilities in West Palm Beach, FL, which might make for some interesting interactions this year. They play 6 exhibition games - I’ll be there for 5. My younger self might have camped out on the centerfield berm dressed in an Astros jersey with binoculars & semaphore flags, randomly signaling when the Astros were batting, but that’s too much work these days, so I might just content myself with starting or joining an APOLOGIZE-APOLOGIZE-APOLOGIZE chant, probably just when the Nationals are the home team. The Astros might hear a lot of such chants (or the ever-popular CHEATERS) around the League.
   5. MuttsIdolCochrane Posted: January 22, 2020 at 05:53 AM (#5918132)
The sincerity of this is….suspect, shall we say?

Did anyone except possibly misguided Astro fans see them all speak about it, both during the cheating and after it was discovered believe any apologies are sincere? Cheaters and liars cheat and lie. They stole games, stole other players' careers, stole awards, championships and money. They will NEVER come clean or be clean. Simple yes or no questions to be asked. Did you cheat? Did it help you play better and help you win? Yes? Or no.
   6. The Duke Posted: January 22, 2020 at 08:41 AM (#5918146)
So all snark aside, this is actually a big deal in the same way that Mcgwire’s apology was a big deal. I think this would be a great thing if they did it especially after the terrible PR that came out of fan fest. The lack of understanding demonstrated by the players at fanfest as well as the lack of concern about people losing their jobs and reputations. How about apologizing to Fiers for putting him in the position of being a bad guy.

If it happens. I can imagine the union and agents not allowing the owner to browbeat players into apologizing.

It’s an interesting issue. How many players are still there from 2017-2018? A lot? Will the pitchers stand up and apologize for knowing about it and doing nothing?

It’s a smart move By Crane but I bet the players torpedo it
   7. Dock Ellis Posted: January 22, 2020 at 08:55 AM (#5918148)
more than enough time to consult their PR/marketing teams on how to best apologize
   8. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:16 AM (#5918209)
Crane should make it a televised event for ESPN to carry... that will probably help!

Why, if he sells tickets and maybe even the broadcast rights - maybe he can claw back that 5m fine!
   9. Itchy Row Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:21 AM (#5918211)
"I would like to Astropologize for the mistakes we Minute Maid."
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:38 AM (#5918217)
It’s a smart move By Crane but I bet the players torpedo it
It will probably be some vague, general team statement that will give the players "cover" to avoid answering questions. They can just deflect with "we've already addressed that," blah blah blah. I'm sure it will be nothing anywhere close to genuine, sincere or robust.
   11. Lonnie Smith for president Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:00 AM (#5918237)
Apologize?

You first, Mr Crane.
   12. Astroenteritis Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:34 AM (#5918263)
It doesn't matter what the organization or players do, 90% of fans will hate it. That's the bed they've made for themselves. Hell, I'm an Astros fan and I don't think an apology would seem too sincere. Now if we get all the teams together that were doing this crap and have a big group apology...nah...that wouldn't help either.
   13. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: January 22, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5918282)
All an apology does is allow people to feel superior. An apology is a pointless endeavor. There is no benefit to the Astros, no benefit to the rest of us. I don't care what the Astros have to say.
   14. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:37 PM (#5918306)
There is no benefit to the Astros, no benefit to the rest of us.


Seeing the Astros further publicly shamed isn't all that much of a benefit, but it's better than nothing.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:40 PM (#5918307)
All an apology does is allow people to feel superior. An apology is a pointless endeavor.
Not if it's sincere.
   16. Brian C Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5918320)
As a human and baseball fan, I don't really see why I'm owed an apology in this case or what difference it ought to make to me if I got one.

Corollary: I can hardly think of anything more fatuous than this apology kabuki that goes on anytime a public figure does something wrong. The only thing more tedious than demands for an apology is the inevitable and endless mind-reading afterwards about whether the apology is appropriately "sincere".

But, our entire discourse in this country on pretty much any subject these days is a race to see who can be the dumbest. IMO scandals like this are basically the rhetorical equivalent of the Hunger Games, designed to let the participants in that race inflict as much damage as possible in the shortest amount of time, while our overlords sit back and laugh at us.
   17. Sunday silence Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5918321)
Not if it's sincere


but that really only applies to personal relationships, no? Here we have an entire organization (more or less) that did this. it doesnt have a soul, it doesnt have a consciousness. How can it really apologize in the traditional sense?

Like if Altuve was to personally apologize to Fiers, that would be interesting and possibly be useful. But here???
   18. Sunday silence Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:04 PM (#5918323)
How about donating all their championship money to charity?

How about fielding questions on what happened exactly? what about road games? what about 2018?
   19. Howie Menckel Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:04 PM (#5918324)
Altuve speech text has been leaked:

"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked in a lot of clubhouses and I tell you, people do that all the time."
   20. . Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:10 PM (#5918326)
Fans who paid money to watch major league baseball in 2017, and a bunch of players who played baseball in 2017 would be worthy recipients of an apology from the responsible Astros personnel, but the odds of them offering up a sincere one are next to nil, so the whole idea is probably pointless.
   21. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:11 PM (#5918327)
Corollary: I can hardly think of anything more fatuous than this apology kabuki that goes on anytime a public figure does something wrong. The only thing more tedious than demands for an apology is the inevitable and endless mind-reading afterwards about whether the apology is appropriately "sincere".
Yeah, that's probably true. At some level, I think we're crying out for a return of some sense of shame, accountability, anything in our public discourse.
   22. . Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:17 PM (#5918338)
At some level, I think we're crying out for a return of some sense of shame, accountability, anything in our public discourse.


You'd need a shared cultural vocabulary for something like that. That ship, unfortunately, sailed long ago. Now there's only a hopelessly divided (*) situation of two separate nations inhabiting the same physical territory. If there was a natural geographical split, we'd be splitting into two nations shortly, but only if we hadn't already.

(*) Social media and the election of Trump were the final nails in the coffin. It's hopeless. Even a massive 9/11-style attack on the homeland wouldn't put the two pieces back together again.
   23. Sunday silence Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:19 PM (#5918341)
If only the Confederacy had fought harder. ..
   24. Brian C Posted: January 22, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5918359)
Fans who paid money to watch major league baseball in 2017, and a bunch of players who played baseball in 2017 would be worthy recipients of an apology from the responsible Astros personnel, but the odds of them offering up a sincere one are next to nil, so the whole idea is probably pointless.

I'd like to thank SBB for so aptly demonstrating what I was saying in #16.
   25. The Duke Posted: January 22, 2020 at 03:02 PM (#5918392)
Well I hope they surprise us with a real sincere apology. I still think it would be a good thing all
Around. And frankly any player watching something like that would probably think twice about it in the future. Admitting your errors in public sincerely is a good thing. That woman in LA who bought off a college to get her kid in did that and I thought it was admirable.
   26. flournoy Posted: January 22, 2020 at 03:16 PM (#5918396)
If only the Confederacy had fought harder. ..


Obviously lacking in TWTW.

Anyway, I find both public apologies and the demands thereof grating. If I subject you to some sort of grievance, then it would probably be appropriate for me to apologize to you privately. Issuing a public apology is just grandstanding. Demands for public apologies by unrelated third parties is even worse grandstanding.
   27. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 22, 2020 at 03:22 PM (#5918398)
If only the Confederacy had fought harder. ..


Why does Lee, the largest general, not simply eat all the others?
   28. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: January 22, 2020 at 07:25 PM (#5918471)
Admitting your errors in public sincerely is a good thing. That woman in LA who bought off a college to get her kid in did that and I thought it was admirable.


You are less cynical than me if you think Huffman genuinely was apologizing and not just wisely saying what people wanted to hear to get a lessened jail term.
   29. base ball chick Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:44 PM (#5918538)
just from reading what all yall have said about "apology" basically nothing short of mass suicide and wills leaving all their money to you is gonna satisfy pretty much all the complaining fans

no one is going to believe any answer to any question unless the answer is so terrible that it is worse than anything previously thought of. hopefully involving slaughter of little children or something even worse

unless someone publically outs themself like mike fiers and talks about what they did on the 2018/19 team, or unless someone finds some video on the intar netz proving more electronic sign stealing cheating, all the questions will not get answered any more than they did about steroids, once players figured that no one wanted apologies or anything besides their idea of revenge for "hurting" home run stats

these PR written apologies are just so much horsestuff. and huffman had a nice sweet cell in some nice grrrl jail for 11 days instead of 14. big deal. it's bullstuff that they only really went after huffman and the other whatshername actress. and the not going after the kidz who posed for the fake pics is also bullstuff. pls don't tell me they had noooooooooooooo idea what their parents were doing. rich people pay to get their stupidass kidz in better positions, we all know it

   30. Walt Davis Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:52 PM (#5918918)
just from reading what all yall have said about "apology" basically nothing short of mass suicide and wills leaving all their money to you is gonna satisfy pretty much all the complaining fans

Not true. I am happy to settle for a $10 M payment now and they are welcome to live as long as they want and structure their wills however they want.

That and Springer and Betts get transferred to the Cubs at no cost with all salary paid by Astros and Red Sox. It's the only fair thing to do!

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