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Monday, March 29, 2021

Cubs’ Anthony Rizzo doesn’t expect extension by Opening Day: ‘I can’t tell you what the future holds’

The Chicago Cubs core that ended the 108-year World Series drought in 2016 may be entering its final season together. The Cubs said goodbye to Jon Lester and Kyle Schwarber this past offseason, and stalwarts Javier Baez, Kris Bryant, and Anthony Rizzo will become free agents after the season. Bryant continues to be a popular name on the trade rumor circuit.

Contract extensions with Baez and Rizzo seem more likely than an extension with Bryant, though Rizzo confirmed no deal is imminent Monday morning. He does not want to negotiate during the season and said the two sides won’t have an extension in place before Opening Day.

Rizzo also said, “I can’t tell you what the future holds,” according to Russell Dorsey of the Chicago Sun-Times.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 29, 2021 at 01:20 PM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: March 29, 2021 at 04:16 PM (#6010591)
It's been a fine run. This will be season #10 and he stands at 274/374/492, 129 OPS+, 35 WAR, good defense, seems to have always been a positive clubhouse presence. He joins Grace and Chance as very good but not great 1B. And the first since Chance to win a WS.

(Yes, I know Chance is in the HoF but his playing record doesn't quite deserve it. He probably does if you give him extra credit for his managerial record which is excellent,)
   2. Voodoo Posted: March 29, 2021 at 05:46 PM (#6010603)
Derek Lee probably deserves consideration for the Grace/Rizzo/Chance wing of Cubs HoVG first basemen.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: March 29, 2021 at 08:10 PM (#6010619)
Maybe ... his level of performance meets the standard but I'm not sure 4000 Cubs PA is enough to qualify. Chance doesn't have many more but those were the early 1900s and almost his entire career was Cubs. If this is it, Rizzo won't finish with many more either. OK, I always like Lee so I'll let him in.
   4. dejarouehg Posted: March 29, 2021 at 08:21 PM (#6010620)
I hope they work something out. Really good player and if he does move on, I appreciate all he's done for the Cubs. I'm curious what his value on the open market would be and is it more than what the Cubs will have offered? And, who will be potential suitors?

Can't remember if it was in their pre-season game yesterday or not but I heard him referred to the greatest defensive 1B ever! (It wasn't Boog or JD.) Clearly, whoever made the observation never saw Keith Hernandez for any extended period of time.
   5. McCoy Posted: March 29, 2021 at 08:23 PM (#6010622)
No love for Phil Cavarretta? And of course Cap Anson. Or would he be hall of great?
   6. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 29, 2021 at 09:54 PM (#6010630)
Cubs reportedly offered 5 years/$70M in a front-loaded deal with escalators that could have kicked in at the back end of the deal.
   7. The Duke Posted: March 29, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#6010632)
This is the kind of extension a rebuilding team needs to avoid, emotion notwithstanding. They got tons of surplus value from him and they should let him go. If they are going to try to sign anyone it should be at Baez and Contreras and then build around them. They could be in good shape in 3-4 years for another run and these guys could be the veterans. Rizzo would be 36 and on the way out.

They might even be able to hold onto Bryant if he has another so-so year.
   8. McCoy Posted: March 30, 2021 at 09:38 AM (#6010660)
You don't build around a 30 year old catcher.
   9. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:17 PM (#6010721)
Rumors are the Cubs first offer was 4/$60mil.

Neither of those offers make me think the Cubs really want to sign him. They have the money to spare, and are getting all the bad press about being cheap. I think it wouldn't be the worst think to slightly overpay him, and I'll be sad (and probably mad) when it turns out he leaves cause the Cubs got too cheap with him. Doesn't matter whether they're rebuilding or not. It's 1b, and likely maybe DH at some point during the deal. The Cubs have no prospects there or close...just pay him.
   10. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6010722)
You don't build around a 30 year old catcher.

Right. And the Cubs have a bunch of good C prospects. He was always the ideal trade candidate; he's probably gone after this year even though he's not one of the (many, many) FAs.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:51 PM (#6010731)
Cubs reportedly offered 5 years/$70M in a front-loaded deal with escalators that could have kicked in at the back end of the deal.

That's a joke offer. He makes $16.5 this year. Why would he take a pay cut?
   12. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:04 PM (#6010732)
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31159194/anthony-rizzo-ending-contract-talks-chicago-cubs-focus-season

Anthony Rizzo ending contract talks with Chicago Cubs to focus on season


It's believed the sides are far apart, according to sources familiar with the situation. Rizzo is seeking a multiyear deal, which the market would indicate is around $100 million. The Cubs have come in well below that figure.

   13. Froot Loops Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:43 PM (#6010739)
That's a joke offer. He makes $16.5 this year. Why would he take a pay cut?


Because if he enters free agency after this season as a 32-year-old first baseman with middling power, he might not even get that much.
   14. McCoy Posted: March 30, 2021 at 06:38 PM (#6010782)
What did Lyle Overbay get on the open market?
   15. Darren Posted: March 30, 2021 at 06:55 PM (#6010785)
How can they not hold onto him to break the HBP record?
   16. jmurph Posted: March 31, 2021 at 09:06 AM (#6010822)
Anthony Rizzo ending contract talks with Chicago Cubs to focus on season

I realize this is mostly a negotiating ploy (have to get it done before the season starts!) but this formulation always makes me laugh: I can't imagine there's a group of employees in America who have more downtime than baseball players.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 31, 2021 at 09:31 AM (#6010826)

Because if he enters free agency after this season as a 32-year-old first baseman with middling power, he might not even get that much.


He might, but I doubt it. He's made $70M, he doesn't need to look in a below market rate.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: March 31, 2021 at 09:32 AM (#6010827)
I can't imagine there's a group of employees in America who have more downtime than baseball players.
What about all the people, not me and you of course, who seem to be able to post on a baseball message board at all hours of the day?
   19. bunyon Posted: March 31, 2021 at 09:59 AM (#6010834)
In addition to the downtime, it isn't like Rizzo is in there doing the tough negotiating. I mean, every profession has it's tropes.
   20. McCoy Posted: March 31, 2021 at 10:33 AM (#6010836)
Negotiations can be stressful and aggravating. On top of that ball players then have to deal with the media and fans and all of their rumors.
   21. The Duke Posted: March 31, 2021 at 07:45 PM (#6010918)
I think they just use the wrong PR message when they say this. They should say, I’ve made it known I want to come back, I’ve given them a number that is completely justified by the market, and if this doesn’t get done then it’s on me, not them.

I wouldn’t want the team to be able to control the narrative in my last season in front of the home fans.

Their current formulation (no negotiating in season ) makes it sound like they are lukewarm
About the whole thing.
   22. Greg Pope Posted: March 31, 2021 at 08:05 PM (#6010921)
On top of that ball players then have to deal with the media and fans and all of their rumors.

This is probably it, more so than the actual negotiations. You tell your agent what you're asking for, and what's the lowest you'd accept and you let them talk to the team for the next 3 months. But getting asked constantly about it could be annoying.
   23. McCoy Posted: March 31, 2021 at 08:27 PM (#6010925)
I don't think a single person on the planet takes a hands off approach to their salary negotiations and lots and lots of people are very sensitive to the numbers that get thrown around and what they think that means in terms of how the other side values them and respects them.

Even with an agent doing all the talking the player is going to be kept in the loop.
   24. Zonk demands an audit of your post Posted: April 01, 2021 at 08:00 AM (#6010953)
Maybe it's not the best baseball move, but I'd Cub for life him.

He's been a joy.... the increasingly cranky back certainly gives pause, but if it were me and my money? Lock him up. I mean, lock him up in a good way.
   25. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: April 01, 2021 at 08:51 AM (#6010963)
They might even be able to hold onto Bryant if he has another so-so year.


I put very little stock in 2020 due to the weird situations. Bryant has been a good to very-good hitter his entire career and is still under 30. Is there reason to think he's in serious decline?
   26. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 01, 2021 at 09:39 AM (#6010980)
I can't imagine there's a group of employees in America who have more downtime than baseball players.


From personal observation, BBTF posters.
   27. jmurph Posted: April 01, 2021 at 11:13 AM (#6010997)
What about all the people, not me and you of course, who seem to be able to post on a baseball message board at all hours of the day?

From personal observation, BBTF posters.

I suspect most of us have more than the 6 or so hours of daily responsibilities that these guys have, and in addition to that many of us are parents who aren't living apart from our children for half of the season.

But more to the point, I definitely have time on top of those things to negotiate a multi-million dollar salary if any of you are offering.
   28. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: April 01, 2021 at 11:16 AM (#6010998)
I put very little stock in 2020 due to the weird situations. Bryant has been a good to very-good hitter his entire career and is still under 30. Is there reason to think he's in serious decline?
He wasn’t great in 2018 either. Combine that with questions about his defense at 3B and you get to where we are today.
   29. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 01, 2021 at 11:57 AM (#6011014)
I suspect most of us have more than the 6 or so hours of daily responsibilities that these guys have,


According to this, pitchers show up for a 7:00 game at 1:30 in the afternoon. If the game goes till 9:30 or 10:00, that's the same eight-hour day most of us work.
   30. jmurph Posted: April 01, 2021 at 12:09 PM (#6011016)
According to this, pitchers show up for a 7:00 game at 1:30 in the afternoon. If the game goes till 9:30 or 10:00, that's the same eight-hour day most of us work.

Okay first I want to note I was only making a half-serious point that players definitely have time to negotiate contracts during the season. I (fully seriously) can't imagine anyone really disagrees with that?

But in response to this specifically, I would note that most players are not pitching each day, all players spend half the entire season on the road in hotels, and therefore they definitely have a great deal more free time than someone who works 9-5 and goes home (or walks from his work from home desk!) to pick up children from daycare/school, prepare dinner, raise children, etc.

I know we are a website of pedants but seriously.
   31. sunday silence (again) Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:04 PM (#6011059)


But in response to this specifically, I would note that most players are not pitching each day, all players spend half the entire season on the road in hotels, and therefore they definitely have a great deal more free time than someone who works 9-5 and goes home (or walks from his work from home desk!) to pick up children from daycare/school, prepare dinner, raise children, etc.


I want to disagree with this a little bit. These guys spend a huge fraction of their non time at the park, in hotels and traveling. Just because they have free time in a hotel does not mean they have the ability to go to a law school and start researching the forms and the precedents that would need to know in order to represent themselves in any sort of endeavor requiring legal expertise.

Anyone trying to do their own case, needs to research their stuff at law schools or online and the amount of time and concentrated effort is very taxing. You can't just sit down for an hour and advance the ball a bit, and then put it down and come back to it a few days later. You have to focus your effort for hours at a time, until you grock some obscure contractual point or some important way to calculate the time value of money. I cant imagine there's many ballplayers or hourly wage workers who have the time and inclination to undertake that sort of work.
   32. Brian C Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:10 PM (#6011061)
But in response to this specifically, I would note that most players are not pitching each day, all players spend half the entire season on the road in hotels, and therefore they definitely have a great deal more free time than someone who works 9-5 and goes home (or walks from his work from home desk!) to pick up children from daycare/school, prepare dinner, raise children, etc.

But it's not like all their time aside from games is down time. Workouts, practices, etc. A guy like Rizzo has substantial media obligations and personal appearances for charity, etc. Plus a lot of guys have family too and at least some of them care about that.

I don't really know what kind of downtime these guys have, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of them have pretty full days, especially veterans that are at the level to be involved in extension talks to begin with. And their negotiations are substantially more complicated than yours and mine.

Bottom line is, it's not really all that hard for me to understand why players would not want to do this during the season, especially in cases like this where the two side are reportedly far apart anyway. I think there would be a lot of appeal for me to let my agent keep on it behind the scenes and let me know if the team gets closer to what I want, while I just go about my business.

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