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Wednesday, October 23, 2019

Cubs reportedly had second interview with David Ross

The Cubs’ managerial search is in full swing as they continue to line up intriguing candidates to replace Joe Maddon. In recent weeks, Houston Astros bench coach Joe Espada’s name has been floated out as a strong candidate, with reports stating that the Cubs had already scheduled their second interview with the much sought after coach.

While the fact that Espada is such a strong candidate in the midst of a World Series run has led many to believe he is the runaway favorite right now, it is still very much so a wide-open race.

It was reported that while not extremely publicized, former Cub David Ross is believed to have had his second interview with the Cubs organization this week.

Ross, who was extremely clutch in the Cubs 2016 World Series win, has an obvious and extended history with the organization. And while there are no concrete reports on the nature of any follow-up discussions between Ross and the Cubs, it was stated that the two sides have in fact at least had those expanded conversations.

I thought we weren’t supposed to see stories like this while the World Series was ongoing…..

 

QLE Posted: October 23, 2019 at 12:44 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cubs, david ross, managerial search

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   1. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 23, 2019 at 07:35 AM (#5893268)
I thought we weren’t supposed to see stories like this while the World Series was ongoing…..

ARod is going to announce soon that he will opt out of his ESPN deal.
   2. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:56 AM (#5893302)
Cross posted from Gonfalon:

David Kaplan @thekapman

Highly placed source has confirmed to me David Ross is expected to be named Cubs manager this week. His agent has been discussing contractual terms with Theo Epstein. Deal is almost done. More on @ESPN1000 at 9 am. On @NBCSChicago + http://NBCsportschicago.com throughout the day.



I remain...skeptical...that this is the right move.
   3. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:21 AM (#5893319)
Uninspiring is the kindest word I would use.

He may well be fine and he'll surely get some love from the team and the fans... but it will be/is a really uninspiring pick. It also leads me back to the same thing I complained about in the FO moves thread. For a cold analytics and allegedly metrics inspired FO -- Theo and company certainly like "their people". Loyalty is a fine thing... until it isn't.
   4. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:31 AM (#5893328)
Did Joe Maddon not get along with the team toward the end or something? I struggle to understand this hiring. Not that Ross couldn't be a fine manager but I would think his preexisting relationship with team members would be more a burden than a benefit.
   5. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:31 AM (#5893329)
Not a fan. I was hoping for the Houston guy.

Theo's big post-2019 statement was that the team had been leaning too heavily on 2016. This doesn't really go in a new direction, now does it? This is a club that could use a new voice from the outside instead of another voice from the same group as before.
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:35 AM (#5893330)
Jon Heyman says it's a done deal.
   7. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5893336)
Did Joe Maddon not get along with the team toward the end or something?


Willy commissioned a paint of him and Joe as recently as this week, so I do not think that was the case.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5893340)
I think it's hilarious to remember how reviled David Ross was by Cubs fans for a while there.
   9. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5893342)
Wrong thread. Oopsie.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5893345)
Willy commissioned a paint of him and Joe as recently as this week,
And neither one of them is a centaur? Fail.
   11. cookiedabookie Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5893349)
Another white guy...
   12. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5893351)
Willy commissioned a paint of him and Joe as recently as this week, so I do not think that was the case.

Maybe it was the opposite, then, and the FO was afraid of a player revolt if they didn't like the new guy.
   13. Kiko Sakata Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5893356)
I think it's hilarious to remember how reviled David Ross was by Cubs fans for a while there.


The evolution of Cubs' fans relationship to David Ross was one of the most bizarre and inexplicable things that I lived through. I was a huge Cubs fan, lived on the North Side during that entire period, and still don't quite understand it.

The other players obviously loved David Ross. And if you mention on Twitter your concern that it'll be awkward to manage your old friends, folks will be quick to point out that supposedly Ross was quick to criticize teammates when they slacked off or something. But man, I don't like this; really hard to see how this is an upgrade from Maddon. It just screams, "You know what's really been missing since 2016? The third string catcher!"

I was rooting for Espada - and had become cautiously optimistic that the fact that Ross hadn't been hired before Game 1 meant Espada had a shot. Oh well. Ross could do well.
   14. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5893358)
I think it's hilarious to remember how reviled David Ross was by Cubs fans for a while there.


I don't think this is true -- my recollection is that there were objections because I believe that at the time, the Cubs already had two catchers (Castillo and Montero) so signing Ross didn't make much sense except as a Lester lure (which, of course, came to pass)... I recall that it was mainly about timing - I think they signed him just before the rule 5, and thus needlessly locked up a 40 man spot AND they severely undercut Wely's trade value because everyone knew the Cubs suddenly had a catcher to peddle.

In any case, I'm not seeing anyone particularly enthused by this managerial hire here.
   15. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5893359)
Did Joe Maddon not get along with the team toward the end or something?

The FO has been both subtly and not so subtly talking about accountability. Plenty written about how the players had it too easy, maybe got along too well with Maddon. I guess they think the fact that Ross was a veteran leader as a player will translate. I...have my doubts. How is Ross going to bench Heyward when he struggles - remember Heyward paid for Ross to be upgraded to a suite for all of 2016. How is Ross going to handle pulling Lester early, giving him less important starts, when Ross literally owes Lester for this job (and his last MLB contract)? How is Ross going to be tough on all the guys he played with a couple of years ago, the guys he was all chummy with as an ESPN broadcaster giving fluff pieces on them?

The Cubs obviously have always seen Ross as a future manager - they offered him the bench coach role last year to help transition him into this. How does him turning that down and coming in with absolutely zero experience help them?
   16. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5893360)
The FO has been both subtly and not so subtly talking about accountability.


Must.... not.... take.... bait :-)
   17. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5893365)
In any case, I think that Ross is rather fortunate in that - much as the team has disappointed in the standings, this isn't Cub disappointments of eras past where you've got guys that seem particularly "difficult" to manage. I don't see any real malcontents, prima donnas, or lazy asses.

There's no Zambrano a manager needs to stop from punching out his catcher (or, to be fair, a catcher who had a reputation for needing to be punched out).... There's no Milton Bradley to be Milton Bradley... There are bats being used on boomboxes.... Pee-stained hands complaining about the broadcasters.... etc.

The Cubs FO talent evaluation for on-field performance leaves much to be desired... but their alleged "character guys" (Russell aside)? Well... Heyward is a good guy and a hard worker, even with his pumpkin act at the plate. Javy is an effervescent joy. Rizzo is a good leader and captain. KB is great. Willy is a ball of energy who needs to calm down more than anything. Schwarbs is a really hard worker.

I'm not too worried about Rossy's need to "discipline" guys because I just don't see (m)any guys on the roster who really need a kick in the pants.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5893369)
14 - No, I think it is true. I remember people being (rightly) livid about Ross getting playing time because he was Lester's favorite toy even though he had an OPS+ of, literally, 45. But then his bat rebounded to cromulence in 2016 and suddenly he was everyone's favorite toy.
   19. PreservedFish Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5893374)
For a year David Ross was THE whipping boy for Cubs fans on this site. He was absolutely reviled.
   20. McCoy Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5893378)
It will be interesting to see how David managers in stressful situations. He's going from being a player to a manager rather quickly and i wonder how good he'll be at getting his team to stay focused and producing
   21. The Duke Posted: October 23, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5893425)
As a cards fan, going from Maddon to Ross when both teams only have about a two year window is great news. I wonder if the Cubs are contemplating a tear down.

The only better news would be the brewers replacing counsell with cc Sabathia.

   22. JJ1986 Posted: October 23, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5893431)
Hiring a guy who is friends with a bunch of the players seems like it only has downside risk.
   23. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: October 23, 2019 at 02:06 PM (#5893482)
Fair enough - when it comes to the 2016 fellas, I think it's entirely possible I'm wearing Ross-colored glasses on pre-2016 stuff.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:28 AM (#5893843)
Yeah, Ross's bat in year 1 looked like the 2nd coming of Jeff Mathis. At 38, we weren't too hopeful about a rebound -- and if memory serves, he'd gotten a 2-year guaranteed contract.

It just screams, "You know what's really been missing since 2016? The third string catcher!"

There are many criticisms of Maddon but an insufficient love for 3rd string catchers is not one of them. :-)

And yeah, this is uninspiring and I was kinda hoping for the Houston guy (based on no knowledge) or maybe Venable (based on always loving that name).
   25. Sunday silence Posted: October 24, 2019 at 07:50 AM (#5893861)
Well there's Reid Venable, Jeb Stuart's right hand man.

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