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Curve honor ‘worst baseball player of all time’

Throughout MLB history, over 20,000 players have taken the diamond. A common debate among fans is who is the best of this group, Babe Ruth? Barry Bonds? Willie Mays? The list goes on.

However, a rarely explored topic is who is the worst player of all time? Never fear, we have the answer: John Gochnaur. He played in 264 Major League games over the course of the 1901-03 seasons, hitting .187 without any home runs and committing 146 errors. Of particular note was Gochnaur’s season with the Cleveland Napoleons in 1903, when he was charged with 98 errors.

In January 2021, MLB.com’s Matt Monagan outlined Gochnaur’s career and his life after baseball. Since Gochnaur was a native of Altoona, Pa. and returned there after retiring, the story caught the eye of the Curve. Mike Kessling, director of marketing, promotions and special events for the Double-A Pittsburgh affiliate, had the idea to bring the infielder’s story to Peoples Natural Gas Field.

“I was flabbergasted because I’m from this area, and I’ve never heard of John Gochnaur,” Kessling said. “I read the article about how he’s the worst Major League Baseball player of all time and all the stats and all that jazz and I said, ‘OK, listen, this is a perfect MiLB promotion. It’s also a perfect Altoona Curve promotion.’”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 29, 2023 at 04:02 PM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: September 29, 2023 at 05:11 PM (#6142764)
Just to be clear, yes, 'Curve' is the name of an actual minor league baseball team.

A perfect Altoona Curve promotion, indeed!
   2. Tony S Posted: September 29, 2023 at 05:30 PM (#6142767)
In the postwar era, I nominate Johnnie LeMaster. He was Mark Belanger without the defense.
   3. Zach Posted: September 29, 2023 at 05:46 PM (#6142772)
Sight unseen, I'll say that one of the top ten was a Royals infielder at some point. Neifi Perez, Angel Berroa, Tony Pena Jr ... some interesting possibilities.
   4. John Northey Posted: September 29, 2023 at 06:10 PM (#6142775)
Don't see why they list him as the worst ever - yeah 98 errors is crazy but that was a different time and his lifetime bWAR is -0.4 with an OPS+ of 46 - both bad, but not 'holy crap' bad. His dWAR that 98 error season was still positive which tells you a lot about that era. His fWAR is -0.6 but again his defense is listed as a positive every year of his short 3 season career.

Here is a good example right off the top of my head - Danny Ainge. Great at basketball, not so great at baseball. -2.0 bWAR, -2.2 fWAR. For 3 years the Jays tried to make him into a major league baseball player and failed. Tried him at 2B/SS/3B/LF/CF/RF/PH/DH but no luck anywhere. He couldn't hit, wasn't terrible at fielding, but negative WAR every year by both methods, 47 lifetime OPS+.
   5. Mefisto Posted: September 29, 2023 at 06:27 PM (#6142776)
Lemaster somehow got 7913 innings at SS with an rTot of -62. He was Derek Jeter without the bat.
   6. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 29, 2023 at 06:27 PM (#6142777)
Dale Berra was the worst.He'd always managed to mess up a play.
   7. Ron J Posted: September 29, 2023 at 06:40 PM (#6142779)
#2 Came here to nominate him too.
   8. Jaack Posted: September 29, 2023 at 06:47 PM (#6142780)
Gochnaur's 98 errors are a lot, even for that era, but his putouts/assists look pretty normal for a SS in 1903. And his bat is sadly no that strange for a SS/C in deadball. He's not the worst ever, but he's definitely a guy that someone unfamiliar with deadball might think is uniquely bad.

Probably not a top contender for 'the worst' but I've always like Ted Kazanski in that spot. Playing record is probably bottom 25, but it feels natural that the worst player should be either a Phillie or a Cub, and the name is a real positive here too.
   9. sanny manguillen Posted: September 29, 2023 at 06:57 PM (#6142782)
Just to be clear, yes, 'Curve' is the name of an actual minor league baseball team.


Altoona is the location of The Horseshoe Curve built by the Pennsylvania Railroad in the 1850s.
   10. Pirate Joe Posted: September 29, 2023 at 07:18 PM (#6142785)
Altoona is the location of The Horseshoe Curve built by the Pennsylvania Railroad in the 1850s.


If you are in the back of a train you can look out the window across the reservoir and see the engine of your train going in the opposite direction.

   11. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 29, 2023 at 07:30 PM (#6142787)
In the postwar era, I nominate Johnnie LeMaster. He was Mark Belanger without the defense.

bWAR slightly "prefers" Doug Flynn, -6.9 to -5.4. Flynn posted a 58 OPS+ to LeMaster's 60 and was a subpar second baseman instead of a bad shortstop.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 29, 2023 at 08:19 PM (#6142791)
. . . Peoples Natural Gas Field
AKA Fart Field? Unusual low brow humor corporate name.
   13. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: September 29, 2023 at 08:51 PM (#6142796)
We should probably put some minimum playing time requirement on this sort of thing.

Not really in the running here, since was really good defensively, but I was always amused by Bill Bergen and his 21 career OPS+
   14. Mefisto Posted: September 29, 2023 at 09:05 PM (#6142797)
@11: Not fair. We all know that WAR is a cumulative stat, and Flynn got almost 2000 more innings to be bad. And he wasn't that bad a fielder: only -20 rTot compared to Lemaster's -62.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: September 29, 2023 at 09:08 PM (#6142798)
Flynn was part of the Tom Seaver trade to Cincinnati (along with Pat Zachry, Steve Henderson, and Dan Norman), and the fan blowback to that deal was sufficient for the Mets to talk themselves into the idea that Flynn could fog a mirror (he couldn't).

57 OPS+ in an incredible 2269 PA for the Mets over five seasons. Traded to Texas after the 1981 season for washed-up ex-closer Jim Kern. Mets then flipped Kern before spring training even started, shipped along with C Alex Trevino and one of the Greg Harrises to the Reds for OF George Foster, whose contract demands repelled the skinflints running the Reds.

Foster was mostly mediocre with the Mets, and in August 1986 he complained that the Mets would rather promote white guys like Gary Carter or Keith Hernandez than black guys like him. That earned Foster an immediate one-way ticket to Palookaville, thus preventing a third WS ring being placed on Foster's finger.

#rabbithole
   16. Cblau Posted: September 29, 2023 at 09:22 PM (#6142802)
I'd go with Victor Faust.
   17. The Duke Posted: September 29, 2023 at 10:51 PM (#6142814)
At some point Omar Vizquel should enter the conversation
   18. Perry Posted: September 29, 2023 at 11:51 PM (#6142817)
LeMaster's a good pick, but the 60s would like to nominate another Giants infielder, Hal Lanier. OPS+ of 50, -0.9 career WAR in nearly 1200 games and almost 4,000 PA.
   19. Mefisto Posted: September 30, 2023 at 08:41 AM (#6142827)
Lanier had 2 very good seasons defensively and that hurts his reputation as "the worst".
   20. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: September 30, 2023 at 10:43 AM (#6142837)
bWAR slightly "prefers" Doug Flynn, -6.9 to -5.4. Flynn posted a 58 OPS+ to LeMaster's 60 and was a subpar second baseman instead of a bad shortstop.


Johnny Disaster gets bonus points for his 1985 season, when he played for 3 teams and all three lost 100. Too bad he didn't get a week or 2 with the 99 loss Rangers. He could have turned one of their wins into a loss.
   21. Ron J Posted: September 30, 2023 at 01:06 PM (#6142852)
#18 Lanier at least was a genuinely good defensive player.

An offseason staple of the mid-seasons was "Hal Lanier expected to have good year" article. New approach at the plate, or working with somebody new. The Giants seemed to genuinely expected him to hit .275 with 25 doubles every year. Still not much, but not the complete loss he was. (career .275 SLG and .255 OBP. He got a surprising amount of time batting second (decent bunter, relatively good at making [weak] contact on hit and run).

One of the truly fascinating things is his low IBB totals. In the 60s it was damned near automatic to walk the #8 hitter. Not Lanier. (only 25 career) Pitchers figured they could get Lanier.

If you look at the talent on the team and wonder why the Giants had no pennants in that period, Lanier is the single most important factor.
   22. Mefisto Posted: September 30, 2023 at 01:42 PM (#6142859)
That's fair about Lanier, though other factors were injuries to McCovey and Cepeda; bad managerial decisions (batting Lanier second); and failure to convert farm system talent to the ML roster.
   23. Ron J Posted: September 30, 2023 at 02:18 PM (#6142863)
#22. Sure. Convert any of the Alous to a real 2B (or SS -- also an open wound position in the 60s many years. Many years Lanier out-hit the SS) and they'd have been sitting pretty.

In 1964 they got .218/.287/.268 from SS and .240/,266/.309 from second.
In 1965 they finished second with SS giving them .227/.293/.288 and second giving them .216/.248/.282
1966 they got a little power from SS. Still terrible but I'm looking for Lanier level from both positions)
In 1967 it was .212/.254/.272 from SS and .215/,271/266 from second.

That's a remarkable record.

EDIT: And yes, they gave away so much more than the Alous.

EDIT2: One trade I missed completely. Randy Hundley and Bill Hands for Lindy McDaniel and Don Landrum. The giants generally had good catching, but Hands obviously would have helped. Get anything close to full value for those two and ...
   24. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 30, 2023 at 03:03 PM (#6142867)
@11: Not fair. We all know that WAR is a cumulative stat, and Flynn got almost 2000 more innings to be bad. And he wasn't that bad a fielder: only -20 rTot compared to Lemaster's -62.

Flynn's WAR/162 is still worse, -0.9 to -0.8. And while LeMaster was almost exclusively a shortstop, Flynn primarily played second; when playing short, he was nearly as bad as LeMaster (and, as noted, a worse hitter).

They are of course both awful, and would serve as a fine double play combo on a postwar all-dreadful team. Any suggestions for other positions?
   25. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: September 30, 2023 at 04:01 PM (#6142873)
The hands-down worst MLB player of all time had a career 1.000 OBP.
   26. Rally Posted: September 30, 2023 at 08:16 PM (#6142897)
Lemaster somehow got 7913 innings at SS with an rTot of -62. He was Derek Jeter without the bat.


Bat of Belanger, glove of Jeter, quite a combo.

If someone had the opposite and played for 20 years, than would be a 120 WAR player. I guess you’d have to call him Honus.
   27. Mefisto Posted: October 02, 2023 at 08:51 AM (#6143085)
@24: I've been thinking about your question and Jesus Alou is a good candidate for RF on an all-dreadful team. He was in the majors for 17 years and got nearly 4600 PAs with a WAR of 0.8 (0.1/162). Lifetime OPS+ of 86, negative (though only slightly) rField. The very definition of a replacement level player, but he never got replaced.
   28. Ron J Posted: October 02, 2023 at 09:24 AM (#6143087)
#27 Yeah, I know. But (as I'm pretty sure you're aware) he was pretty highly regarded. He specialized in an empty BA at a time when that was enough. He never reached 20 unintentional walks and was routinely getting 400-500 PAs.

Matty made it work but he could play CF, walked about twice as often and at his peak hit .335 over a 4 year run. (30 doubles per 162 GP)

And a lot of people truly believed Jesus was the best hitter of the family so he got shot after shot -- all he needed was his own Harry Walker (since Walker took credit for turning Matty around). And gave you an empty .280

I mean he and a serviceable SP (and a bunch of cash) got the Expos Rusty Staub.

As it was, the biggest contribution he made to the Giants was being selected in the expansion draft.
   29. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 02, 2023 at 09:33 AM (#6143088)
Back on the original subject, I'm sure the fine folks in Altoona are well aware Johnnie Disaster was a worse player than John Gochnaur. But the fine folks in their legal department doubtless reassured them that no, it would not be a great idea to celebrate as The Worst Baseball Player Of All Time someone who's still alive. Or even whose grandchildren are still alive. (Even setting aside the whole hometown-boy angle.)
   30. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: October 02, 2023 at 09:48 AM (#6143091)
Any suggestions for other positions?


Ed Kranepool 1B. 18 seasons, 6,000 PA 4.2 WAR and -16.7 WAA.
Jerry Morales CF. 14 seasons, 5,000 PA, -2.0 WAR, -18 WAA.
   31. Mefisto Posted: October 02, 2023 at 10:02 AM (#6143096)
@28: And Jesus hit Sandy Koufax like he owned him. :) That alone would give you serious cred in the mid-60s.

@30: Morales is a great choice. Kranepool is also probably as bad as a 1B could be and get that much playing time.
   32. Froot Loops Posted: October 02, 2023 at 11:23 AM (#6143107)
Larry Biittner: 3443 PA, -1.0 WAR, 88 OPS+ for a first baseman/corner outfielder. It's no wonder those late-70s Cubs teams were so bad.
   33. Tom and Shivs couples counselor Posted: October 02, 2023 at 11:28 AM (#6143109)
Has Yuniesky Betancourt been mentioned?

4052 at bats. -2.4 BBREF WAR
   34. Mefisto Posted: October 02, 2023 at 11:34 AM (#6143110)
Two more good choices. We've got an OF (Biittner plays LF) and an IF (Betancourt plays 3B). Can't be too hard to find a C. Pitchers might be harder to find because really bad ones don't last long.
   35. Tom and Shivs couples counselor Posted: October 02, 2023 at 11:40 AM (#6143111)
34: Betancourt playing third base is a very loose definition of “played”. Ha ha.
   36. Tony S Posted: October 02, 2023 at 12:09 PM (#6143113)
For catcher, Phil Roof kept popping up in my Topps packets in the 1970s. Never a regular, but he got 15 years on a major league roster. Must have had a very high defensive ceiling.

Skip Jutze was bad even by the unlofty standards of Astros catchers.

And Bob Stinson was the ultimate replacement-level catcher.
   37. Mefisto Posted: October 02, 2023 at 12:17 PM (#6143115)
Jutze was worse than even Roof, but he got fewer than 700 PAs. I think we have to pick Roof for longevity of suck. Or maybe there's someone worse yet....
   38. Tony S Posted: October 02, 2023 at 12:19 PM (#6143117)
Fun fact: when you google Skip Jutze your autocomplete goes to "skip jury duty".
   39. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 02, 2023 at 12:23 PM (#6143118)
Can anyone out-Reitz Ken Reitz at 3B? 5079 PA, -19.5 WAA, -3.2 WAR, 1 Gold Glove (-16 rField), 1 All-Star Selection (-2.6 WAA, -0.7 WAR).
   40. Mefisto Posted: October 02, 2023 at 12:47 PM (#6143121)
Reitz is perfect if we insist on a real 3B -- and damn, as a Giants fan I'm disappointed in myself that I missed him -- but Betancourt would be pretty brutal as a full time 3B.

ETA: The obvious solution occurs to me: Reitz at 3B and Betancourt as the utility guy.
   41. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 02, 2023 at 01:09 PM (#6143123)
My first thought at 3B was Enos Cabell, but outside his peak awful years of 1979-1982 he was overall an average player. But those 4 years.... ewwwwwww..... 2164 PA (and lost a couple hundred PA in the 1981 strike), -51 rBat, -33 rField (Moved from 3B to 1B after 1980; -27 at 3B, -6 at 1B.), -9.1 WAA, -2.0 WAR. All that damage in just 4 years. Outside of that he was -0.2 WAA, 13.3 WAR in about 4200 PA.
   42. Mefisto Posted: October 02, 2023 at 01:23 PM (#6143129)
That was another great move by the Giants -- replacing Daryl Evans with the bad version of Cabell.
   43. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 02, 2023 at 01:45 PM (#6143134)
While the 2B/SS discussion has focused on 1970's anti-heroes, y'all check out the br page of Tommy Thevenow before you submit your final ballots. Like many players in 1930, he set his career high batting average (80 or more games) that year. It was .286. The league batting average (pitchers included) was .303. Thevenow's OPS+ was 52. -46 rBat, -20 rField. -3.0 WAR in that season alone. He also started every game at SS for the 102-loss Phillies.

Around that, he added three more seasons of 100+ games with OPS+ in the 40's.

Gotta be the worst career of a player who finished as high as 4th in MVP voting, a year in which his slash line was .256/.291/.311 (59 OPS+). To be fair, he did lead the league in dWAR, but was only a 2.9 WAR player overall.
   44. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: October 02, 2023 at 02:37 PM (#6143144)
Pitchers might be harder to find because really bad ones don't last long.


Randy Lerch. 164 starts, 1099 IP 83 ERA+ -3.7 WAR
   45. Mefisto Posted: October 02, 2023 at 03:06 PM (#6143148)
Lerch is a great choice. Plus a great name.

Thevenow would be a good choice, but per #2 we've been looking for players post-WWII.

Another thought about Cabell. I have this vague recollection (and I could certainly be wrong) that he had a substance abuse problem which explains his 4 bad years.
   46. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: October 02, 2023 at 03:09 PM (#6143149)
Reitz is perfect if we insist on a real 3B


How about we just do a medley of 70s and 80s Cubs? We already have Reitz, Biitner and Morales.

Steve Swisher at C. 1577 PA -1.9 WAR
Scot Thompson at 1B. 1391 PA -5.7 WAR
Vic Harris at 2B 1806 PA -6.3 WAR
Mick Kelleher at SS 1202 PA -2.4 WAR
Reitz at 3B
Biittner at LF
Morales at CF
Keith Moreland in RF 5082 PA 3.5 WAR. Moreland was cromulent as a hitter, but Lordy was he a horror show on D.
   47. Mefisto Posted: October 02, 2023 at 03:24 PM (#6143151)
That's just so ... sad. The Giants went through some pretty bad years between '71 and '85, but I doubt I could fill out an entire team like that.
   48. Dolf Lucky Posted: October 02, 2023 at 04:06 PM (#6143158)
Doug Flynn is a fun deep dive on B-R because he was truly not good at everything.

Hitting? He had a career OPS+ of 58. His best season came as a rookie (85). This guy took away at bats from the Big Red Machine!

Defense? Below average range, leading to a career Rfield mark of -20.

Baserunning? Nope. 50% success rate on steals.

Broadcasting? Fills in occasionally for the Reds radio team, to near universal poor reviews.

A true negative five tool player, who got to do it for over a decade.
   49. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 02, 2023 at 04:24 PM (#6143162)
On the other hand, because those Cubs had no understanding of park effects, they overrated all their position players but underrated their pitchers to the point that I can't find a single long-term Cub pitcher of that era who comes anywhere near this team.
   50. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: October 02, 2023 at 04:33 PM (#6143165)
Dickie Noles. 860 IP 86 ERA+ 0.3 WAR. But otherwise, yeah.
   51. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: October 02, 2023 at 04:36 PM (#6143167)
OK, he's not really long term. 2+ years.
   52. The Honorable Ardo Posted: October 02, 2023 at 11:10 PM (#6143250)
John Humphries was probably the worst MLB player of all time. In 103 games, he batted .143 with no homers (OPS+ 11) and made 90 errors. Gochnaur was "better" than that!

Humphries led an interesting life; he was Canadian-born, the first Cornell graduate to play in the major leagues, and a teacher of classics at the Philadelphia High School for Girls. His eldest son Rolfe became a well-regarded poet and translator.
   53. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 03, 2023 at 12:58 AM (#6143261)
With the post-WWII restriction in mind, here's my team. The WAR numbers in my database are a little different than what's currently on bbref in some places, so I might be omitting some players around the edges, but this is a pretty terrible team.


C Luis Pujols -5.2
1B Dan Meyer -6.4
2B Ted Kazanski -5.9
3B Kim Batiste -4.4
SS Jack Heidemann -6.2
LF Daryle Ward -4.5
CF Vic Harris -6.3
RF Scot Thompson -5.7
OF Karl Olson -5.1

MI Jackie Gutierrez -5.6
MI Luis Lopez -4.9
MI Andres Thomas -5.9
MI Johnnie LeMaster -5.4
UT Pat Rockett -5.5
UT Danny Sheaffer -4.7
C Bill Plummer -4.1
C Mickey Grasso -3.7
C Skip Jutze -3.7

SP John Van Benschoten -3.7
SP Jim Bullinger -3.4
SP Dewon Brazelton -3.1
SP Ruben Quevedo -3.2
SP Jimmy Jones -2.9
RP Jerry Stephenson -4.7
RP Brian Williams -4.3
RP Dan McGinn -3.9
RP Jack Hamilton -3.7
RP Frank LaCorte -3.6

Fun Fact! Three players in MLB history have been named Luis Lopez. All have negative career WAR.
Luis Lopez (1993-2005) -4.9
Luis Lopez (2001-2004) -1.0
Luis Lopez (1990-1991) -0.5
   54. Tony S Posted: October 03, 2023 at 08:52 AM (#6143275)
Darn, how could I have forgotten Luis Pujols? The Astros traded away Joe Ferguson (who had given them a fine year in 1977) to open up a spot for his robust .563 OPS at Charleston!

All I remember in those pre-internet days is seeing "Pujols c 4 0 0 0" way way too often in the daily boxscores.

And then they kept him on the roster for seven long years of suckitude.

Pat Rockett is such a cool name. He should have had a career.

   55. Is Zonk Vermin within the Confines? Posted: October 03, 2023 at 09:16 AM (#6143276)
Casey Coleman could have joined Bullinger and Quevedo in that rotation if only he'd been given more of a chance to prove how terrible he was.
   56. Der-K's no Kliph Nesteroff. Posted: October 03, 2023 at 09:24 AM (#6143280)
53/patrap - how would that look on a rate basis? (i know doing per pa is misleading, given how some of these folks spent time as pinch runners, defensive replacements, etc

52 - and yet, humphries might not have been the worst player on his primary team his main year in the majors (gladmon was worse, for one)

29 - this is moot, you want the hometown angle but -- i don't know how lemaster feels now, but picking a living guy who'd be willing to embrace this could be an ok gig for that guy? (lemaster did wear a jersey that said "boo" one game, after all.) after all, it worked out for hank aaron the 24th!
   57. Mefisto Posted: October 03, 2023 at 11:36 AM (#6143305)
Pat can speak for himself, but I'm pretty confident that team would set the record for most losses in a season.

Yeah, I can see somebody trying to monetize "worst player ever".
   58. Ron J Posted: October 03, 2023 at 12:01 PM (#6143311)
And in showing the difference between professional athletes and weekend warriors, I know Doug Flynn became a regular on one of the top slow pitch softball teams after retirement. I want to say, the Men of Steel but this might be wrong.
   59. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 03, 2023 at 01:48 PM (#6143328)
I can see somebody trying to monetize "worst player ever".

It worked for Bob Uecker.
   60. Der-K's no Kliph Nesteroff. Posted: October 03, 2023 at 01:55 PM (#6143329)
and who wouldn't want to be the new bob uecker!
   61. Tony S Posted: October 03, 2023 at 01:59 PM (#6143331)
Brian Kingman used to revel in being the last 20-game loser. Haven't heard if Mike Maroth has picked up the mantle.
   62. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 03, 2023 at 11:49 PM (#6143449)
53/patrap - how would that look on a rate basis?

Some names are still on this list, but other players were able to cram more suck into fewer opportunities. The methodology here is WAR/PA or IP scaled to 600 PA or 200 IP to give a full-season representation. I also require that their career totals qualify for the batting or ERA title to filter out the cup of coffee guys.

Mefisto, this team is probably even worse than the above one since these are the champs on a rate basis.

C Ned Yost -3.5
1B Billy Jo Robidoux -2.6
2B Jose Arcia -3.3
3B John Vukovich -3.5
SS Kim Batiste -3.9
LF Jake Elmore -3.6
CF Karl Olson -4.1
RF Dan Briggs -2.8
OF Joe Mather -2.6

C Luis Pujols -3.4
C Skip Jutze -3.1
C Tony Cruz -2.6
MI Tommy Dean -3.4
MI Jackie Gutierrez -3.3
MI Jack Heidemann -3.1
MI Tom Upton -2.8
OF Scot Thompson -2.5
UT Danny Sheaffer -2.2
UT Paul Zuvella -2.5

SP Jerry Stephenson -3.9
SP Johnny Gray -3.6
SP Jeff Johnson -2.7
SP Phil Huffman -2.5
SP Dewon Brazelton -2.3
RP Bunky Stewart -3.0
RP Craig Anderson -2.6
RP Dan Schneider -2.4
RP Mel Nelson -2.4
RP Cuddles Marshall -2.2
   63. Mefisto Posted: October 04, 2023 at 08:25 AM (#6143460)
Those on both lists seem good candidates for "all-time worst". Kim Batiste, in particular, looks like a good choice.
   64. AndrewJ Posted: October 04, 2023 at 09:19 AM (#6143466)
52>> Rolfe Humphries namechecked his father in this famous baseball poem...

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