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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Sunday, May 09, 2021Dave Roberts baffled by Angels’ blowout bunt attempt, but play helps Dodgers snap losing skid in wild game
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Posted: May 09, 2021 at 09:56 PM | 33 comment(s)
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1. Bhaakon Posted: May 09, 2021 at 10:57 PM (#6017971)But once you run an extreme shift, you lose the ability to complain about a guy trying to bunt for a hit. If you want to argue that the other team needs to stop trying hard, the same goes for you.
Back in the dark ages when Kingman was on the Cubs, he was regularly ripped in the press for not getting runners home from 3rd with <2 outs. One time in that situation, he decided to lay down a bunt toward third. Not a great bunt but, as usual, the 3B was positioned somewhere in Kenosha for his own safety and it was an easy one to beat out. Unfortunately the runner seemed more suprised than anybody and didn't advance. Commence ripping Kingman for stupidly bunting.
And I'm with SoSH. I think he pretty clearly trying to bunt for a hit, it just didn't work.
2) If you are going to go into a significant defensive shift, then why wouldn't the other team try to take advantage of that shift? If you are going to keep trying, then your opponent is going to keep trying.
3) And speaking of "trying"...it is the 5th inning of the game. People seem to forget that "baseball" is a sport, but "Major League Baseball" is entertainment. The only reason there are professional leagues, money for legit salaries, TV contracts, companies willing to shell out money for advertising, etc., is because enough people want to watch the product on the field. If teams are basically mailing it in during a game like this in the 5th inning (you have teams this year who have actually used multiple positions players as pitchers in the same game, for example, and teams using position players in the 7th inning of a 10-run game), then should the sport openly talk about some kind of mercy rule?
Double-headers are already being trimmed to 7 innings per game; extra inning games start with a runner in scoring position; the cutlure appears to be quickly changing relating to waving the white flag with position players as pitchers; and teams are more concerned than ever with limiting pitchers' workloads. Would teams be open to a mercy rule? Would fans?
Right. WTF are you still shifting up 13 runs?
I didn't think the reaction was "Gee, that was stupid". Kershaw seemed genuinely angry to me. He seems that way often to me on the mound. He is emotionally engaged in the game.
I would love to see players bunt against the shift more. They should practice it because it's a giant free base just sitting there for a lot of these guys. If you really can hit 40 HR, cool. If you can't, get your ass on base.
It should also be noted that the final margin of this game was 3 runs.
As Bunyon was saying the Dodgers wanted to keep trying, but got angry when the Angels did the same. That's BS. If the game is over and you want the Angels to lie down, you better stop the shifts, and tell your pitchers to just throw strikes.
- It was 13-0 in the bottom of the 5th, when this bunt occurred. Actually, it was 13-0 entering the bottom of the 6th.
- The final score was...14-11! It was 13-4 after 6 innings; 14-11 after 7 innings; and then the Dodgers put their top set up guy and closer for the final two innings, after f'ing around in the 6th and 7th with the back of their bullpen. They took Kershaw out after 5 innings and 71 pitches.
The way this game went after the 5th inning is insane:
- In the bottom of the 5th, up 8-0, the Dodgers took out Mookie Betts.
- In the top of the 6th, the Angles took out Mike Trout.
So, you went to this intra-city game featuring the two best players in baseball, and by the top of the 6th inning...both players were out of the game. This is insane.
- Also in the top of the 6th, Justin Upton is taken out.
- In the bottom of the 6th, the Dodgers take out Justin Turner, as well as Kershaw.
So now the three biggest names in the game are out by the 6th inning.
- In the top of the 7th, 13-4 Dodgers, they take out Corey Seager.
It is 13-4 entering the bottom of the 7th for the Angels. The first two guy are out. Two outs, nobody on, nine-run deficit. Then...
Error, single, double, single, single, single, home run. Next seven guy up, all scored. 14-11. Inning ends on a strikeout.
The game ends 14-11, but two of the six guys who made an out in those final two innings for the Angels?
The two guys who replaced Trout and Upton.
I don't know what to do with this game, after seeing all this. I think it is crazy that you have a game that stars Trout, Betts, and Kershaw (at least the Angles didn't take out Ohtani) gets less than two-thirds of the way through, and all are out due to "white flag waving". Everybody is giving up on the game - and it ends up being wildly interesting at the end, but the stars are not in the game at the end, when the result was in doubt.
If this was the NBA, this would have been like a Lakers/Clippers game, with Kawhi Leonard vs Lebron James & Anthony Davis, "Battle of Los Angeles", promoted for several days on TV, lots of hype, etc. This Dodgers/Angels game had none of that. Also, if the NBA game was a blowout in the first half, and the teams took their stars out, and then it got close late in the third quarter...LeBron, Kawhi, and Athony would have been put back in the game.
Same thing with the NFL: The quarterback is going to play until at least the beginning of the 4th quarter, no matter what the score is. And if it got crazy after they came out, they'd put the starter back in (I saw this with Tom Brady multiple times over the years).
And worst of all, the NBA and NFL carry far greater chances of injury on a given play or game than MLB. Because there is no game clock, crazy sh*t like the Angels scoring 11 runs *after taking out their best player* can happen, but when you take out Betts or Trout, you can't bring them back in. So the idea that Dave Roberts, after a game in which the Angels came close to winning, would say anything snarky about the strategy or effort level of the other team, is almost as bizarre as this game was.
Of course he was bunting for a hit against the shift, and it makes sense for any number of reasons. First, this is Taylor Ward, who is simply trying to stay in the big leagues. If he can show that he can get on base consistently with smart play, that can only help his cause. Second, this makes much more sense in a blowout than in a close game. If this is something Ward has been working on, you'd rather him hone his bunting skill in a low leverage situation. Third, and most importantly, if the Dodgers are shifting in a blowout (i.e. implementing what they consider optimal defensive tactics), it makes no sense to be upset when their opponent employs tactics as countermeasures. As others have said, if the Dodgers are trying, there should be no issue with the Angels trying, and trying to come back from a 13-run deficit (which the Angels almost did, by the way - the game ended up 14 - 11) involves getting as many baserunners on as possible.
Personally, I agree with Bunyon - I want to see more bunts against the shift. They're fun to see, and hopefully they'll force teams to reconsider their shifting strategies.
Didnt someone score all the way from first base on a shift/bunt a day or two ago?
Everyone's favorite also did that once, with no shift required.
In 1970, Willie Mays scored from first base on a bunt against the shift by Willie McCovey. This is Jon Miller's recollection:
“Mays got on first base with two down and they went into the big shift for McCovey as they often did,” Miller said. “Willie went ahead and laid down a bunt down the third base side and he bunted it hard enough that it went right down the line past third base and into left field and Mays scored from first on a bunt. McCovey ended up with a double. To this day, it was the most outstanding thing I’ve ever seen in a baseball game.”
He's got it right, except that there was only one out - May 3, 1970, in the first inning against the Phillies. Here's the box score and play-by-play. I wish there was video of this...
That's mitigated to some extent that the guys who replaced them each reached base twice and scored 2 runs before they made those late outs. Sure, you'd rather take your chances with Mike Trout than Jon Jay, but even Trout is not likely to better a 2 for 3 effort. As far as Upton goes, he may have a lot more power but he's an out machine. If you want to keep a rally going, the replacement is probably an even bet or a slight improvement.
It's hard to put up a 9.00 ERA if you're getting 1-2-3 innings.
It's true that the replacements ended up contributing to the comeback, but my larger point of the whole thing is that baseball's entertainment value is under serious assault by the confluence of a number of factors - including some that the sport could address. On paper, are there, say, 20 regular-season games this year that will have more marquee value than one where Mookie Betts and Mike Trout are playing each other, Shohei Ohtani is in the game, and Clayton Kershaw is a starting pitcher? And Betts, Trout, and Kershaw are all gone by the 6th inning? MLB keeps throwing up all over its feet, as it relates to public relations, marketing, and competing with the NFL and NBA.
I remember Kingman being thought of as a pretty good bunter during his time(s) with the Mets. And, yes, the third baseman was out over the Long Island Sound, which made bunting a decent percentage play.
Would it be this game?
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