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Friday, February 21, 2020

David Ortiz: Mike Fiers looks like a ‘snitch’ for exposing Astros scandal

FORT MYERS, Fla.—Red Sox legend David Ortiz expressed his displeasure with Oakland A’s pitcher Mike Fiers, the whistleblower in the sign-stealing scandal that has engulfed baseball for the past few months, saying that the former Astros hurler should have said something in the moment about the infamous trash-can banging scheme instead of waiting until he was on another team.

“I’m mad at this guy, the pitcher who came out talking about it,” Ortiz said at JetBlue Park on Thursday. “And let me tell you why. Oh, after you make your money, after you get your ring, you decide to talk about it. Why don’t you talk about it during the season when it was going on? Why didn’t you say, ‘I don’t want to be no part of it? So you look like you’re a snitch. Why you gotta talk about it after? That’s my problem. Why nobody said anything while it was going on?”

Ortiz said he did not understand how nobody in the Astros clubhouse spoke out earlier about the cheating schemes being developed in Houston.

“The Houston Astros, I know they put themselves in a situation and I just still don’t know how come nobody was like, ‘That is wrong.’ I just don’t know how no one say something about it,” Ortiz said. “During, not after. I was in the clubhouse for a long time and never anything like that comes up. Now, they’re going to have to deal with that for a long time because it’s not only a situation that involves players. You’re talking about the whole franchise.”

There are things to say about this- but I’ll lead it to some of the rest of you to articulate them…...

 

QLE Posted: February 21, 2020 at 12:44 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: david ortiz, mike fiers, snitches get stitches

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   1. Hank Gillette Posted: February 21, 2020 at 01:34 AM (#5925784)
STFU, Papi.
   2. MuttsIdolCochrane Posted: February 21, 2020 at 04:40 AM (#5925788)
I'm sure he's hoping that some former Red Sox player won't "snitch" on and further confirm Ortiz's (already known) steroid use.
   3. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 21, 2020 at 04:48 AM (#5925789)
David Ortiz should have more empathy for an Astros team that didn't have their own George Mitchell to protect them.
   4. craigamazing Posted: February 21, 2020 at 09:10 AM (#5925808)
This screed is all barely coherent, yet still manages to distinguish itself through its vomit inducing toadying to power and shameful finger pointing at the guy receiving death threats (the one guy involved who has showed even a modicum of courage and remorse).

I guess Papi had a bunch of clutch post season hits through, so we'll have to continue to take his half baked wisdom seriously.
   5. winnipegwhip Posted: February 21, 2020 at 09:15 AM (#5925810)
Papi is also mad at either Abraham Lincoln, Mark Twain or whomever stated, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."



   6. Due to the leadership of Zonk... Posted: February 21, 2020 at 09:22 AM (#5925811)
Safe to say that we do not live in a time where "see something, say something" is operable.

Unless you see something about a snitch... then you should say something... and if you don't see anything, you should still say something; threats, silly speculation, it's all goooodd...
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 21, 2020 at 09:23 AM (#5925812)
Seriously. Eff-off.

I'm sure he's hoping that some former Red Sox player won't "snitch" on and further confirm Ortiz's (already known) steroid use.

Please, please, pretty please.
   8. Itchy Row Posted: February 21, 2020 at 09:23 AM (#5925813)
Until I’m proven wrong, I’m going to assume Ortiz was shot by Carlos Beltran and Alex Cora because he was about to snitch.
   9. Captain Supporter Posted: February 21, 2020 at 09:25 AM (#5925814)
First Pedro, now Ortiz. I'm Looking forward to Varitek's wisdom next.
   10. dave h Posted: February 21, 2020 at 09:28 AM (#5925815)
I am of course an Ortiz (and Pedro) apologist, but he's specifically not saying Fiers shouldn't have said anything - he's saying he should have said something while it was happening. I disagree that once he's left the team he should keep his mouth shut (and I'd rather Ortiz and Pedro stay out of it now) but it's not so ridiculous.
   11. craigamazing Posted: February 21, 2020 at 09:55 AM (#5925820)
I am of course an Ortiz (and Pedro) apologist, but he's specifically not saying Fiers shouldn't have said anything - he's saying he should have said something while it was happening. I disagree that once he's left the team he should keep his mouth shut (and I'd rather Ortiz and Pedro stay out of it now) but it's not so ridiculous.


Oh yes, if Fiers came out and said something in the heat of the playoff race in 2017, David Ortiz would have stood up and solemnly saluted his courage, and definitely would not have blasted him for being a snitch and a bad teammate. Come on.

   12. Itsdrainageeli Posted: February 21, 2020 at 10:08 AM (#5925823)
I am of course an Ortiz (and Pedro) apologist, but he's specifically not saying Fiers shouldn't have said anything - he's saying he should have said something while it was happening. I disagree that once he's left the team he should keep his mouth shut (and I'd rather Ortiz and Pedro stay out of it now) but it's not so ridiculous.


Yeah, it's not as if they didn't try to go through an official channel first and were ignored.

According to [Jonathan] Lucroy, the Athletics informed Major League Baseball about their experience with the Astros, but no investigation was started until Fiers went on the record with The Athletic in November. Athletics general manager David Forst confirmed to The Mercury News last week that Oakland complained to the league well before MLB's investigation commenced.


Oh...nevermind.
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 21, 2020 at 10:28 AM (#5925827)
   14. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 21, 2020 at 10:32 AM (#5925829)

Yeah, it's not as if they didn't try to go through an official channel first and were ignored.

I don't think that invalidates Ortiz' criticism of Fiers, since those actions were still taken after Fiers indirectly benefited from the cheating and had left the Astros. To be clear, I don't agree with Ortiz' criticism, but I don't think your comment really addresses it.
   15. Sunday silence Posted: February 21, 2020 at 11:27 AM (#5925850)

I am of course an Ortiz (and Pedro) apologist, but he's specifically not saying Fiers shouldn't have said anything - he's saying he should have said something while it was happening


What difference does it make? The only real issue is what to make of HOU and their supposed Championship? Right? Whatever Fiers did, who cares if it was wrong or right? Or moral or ethical, or some of that or none...

The Fiers analysis is all a distraction. Cause Ortiz either doesnt have a take on what to do w/ HOU, or he has an idiotic take on HOU which I suspect the case.
   16. Itsdrainageeli Posted: February 21, 2020 at 11:41 AM (#5925855)
Then I guess I don't understand why he called him a "snitch" since whether or not he informed someone while with the Astros or afterwards, he's technically still a snitch.

In other words, there are two acts (1) benefiting from the scheme, and (2) "snitching" about the scheme. I would think if he whistle blew before he left, he could be absolved from (1). So Fiers remains guilty of (1) the same as the entire Astros team (to the extent aware). But even if he whistle blew before he left that still wouldn't make him not a "snitch".

Maybe I'm being too pedantic for someone like Ortiz.
   17. dave h Posted: February 21, 2020 at 01:23 PM (#5925905)
I think the idea of a snitch is that you're not doing it because of your outstanding character, but because it benefits you. Fiers didn't come clean (unless I'm missing something - the text in 12 appears to be after Fiers was no longer with the Astros) until after he left the team, when it went from being a huge personal risk to a competitive benefit to inform everyone.

As for 11, I'm not a fan of criticizing people for conduct that has only occurred in our imagination.

And Ortiz did say the Astros behavior was wrong, and would tarnish the organization. Again, I don't think Fiers deserves scorn even if he did wait until it was easier to come clean - I just think it's a reasonable view that he should have come clean when he was still on the team.
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 21, 2020 at 02:09 PM (#5925910)

Again, I don't think Fiers deserves scorn even if he did wait until it was easier to come clean - I just think it's a reasonable view that he should have come clean when he was still on the team.

I think that's a reasonable view, but Fiers is like #30 on the list of guys who should be criticized in the organization. It's not exactly a profile in courage, but given that his manager and at least some members of the front office were aware of what was going on and didn't do anything to stop it, I think his behavior was about as much as one can reasonably expect.
   19. The Duke Posted: February 21, 2020 at 04:32 PM (#5925945)
I hope this fit of indignation turns out just as well for Papi as it did for Palmeiro
   20. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 21, 2020 at 04:54 PM (#5925950)
This country has proven over and over and over again that whistle blowers are the problem and deserve nothing but scorn and hatred.

   21. Mayor Blomberg Posted: February 21, 2020 at 07:44 PM (#5925963)
And Ortiz did say the Astros behavior was wrong, and would tarnish the organization.


Just not as wrong as reporting it was. heh.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: February 21, 2020 at 08:11 PM (#5925966)
Intentionally or not, as #10 suggests, Ortiz is trying to have his cake and eat it too. Fiers "looks" like a snitch while a real man would have come forward in real time so, sure, the Astros were naughty but, good golly, don't blame the commish. So ... expose it in real time but don't be a snitch and don't blame the commish if nothing happens.

Meanwhile I did kinda like his answer to the question of whether the Red Sox could win without Mookie: "They won without me."
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: February 21, 2020 at 08:36 PM (#5925969)
The idea of a snitch is that it's just a connotation of a guy who informs on inside information, however you want to take the word to mean is up to you... I do not think of snitch as an inherently bad word(in fact with no other evidence except that what I posted above... I immediately think of a snitch as a brave person) .. I don't think of whore as an inherently bad word. They are descriptions of peoples actions, you judging them determines whether you are a bad person or not, not them.
   24. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: February 22, 2020 at 05:59 AM (#5925982)
Then I guess I don't understand why he called him a "snitch" since whether or not he informed someone while with the Astros or afterwards, he's technically still a snitch.

Ortiz's English is pretty decent. But it is still very clearly a second language. Micro-analyzing vocabulary choices, rather than focusing on the general point he is making, is probably not a responsible path to go down.

To be clear, I am not a huge fan of the "he should have spoken up earlier" criticism. But I do think there is at least a valid point there, and is categorically different from the "shoulda kept his mouth shut, period" position we have seen people like Mendoza take, which is clearly toxic.
   25. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: February 22, 2020 at 05:59 AM (#5925983)
I'm sure he's hoping that some former Red Sox player won't "snitch" on and further confirm Ortiz's (already known) steroid use.

Please, please, pretty please.

That doesn't sound very Christian.

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