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Thursday, November 14, 2019

deGrom repeats, JV edges Cole for Cy honors

It was a night for second helpings—a serving long-awaited for one Cooperstown-caliber arm and not-so-long-awaited for the Cy Young’s rare repeat customer.

The Astros’ Justin Verlander and the Mets’ Jacob deGrom are the 2019 winners of the American League and National League Cy Young Awards, as announced on Wednesday night on MLB Network by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America. And these two-time winners of baseball’s biggest pitching prize took two very different paths to this point.

For Verlander, who won the 2011 AL Cy Young with the Tigers, this award is well-deserved relief after three second-place finishes in 2012, 2016 and 2018. This time, he had to edge out his own equally deserving teammate, Gerrit Cole, to win one of the more interesting Cy races in recent memory.

“It’s just truly incredible,” Verlander said on the MLB Network announcement show. “2011 was just a magical season. I didn’t have to grind through much at that point in time. A lot has changed since then, personally and professionally. It just makes it that much sweeter. Having come so close a couple other times, all that this means, it’s just such an incredible feeling.”

 

 

QLE Posted: November 14, 2019 at 12:13 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cy young award, jacob degrom, justin verlander

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   1. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:47 AM (#5901030)
Congrats to both.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:48 AM (#5901031)
Grindy!!
   3. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:03 AM (#5901038)
Nothing to complain about here. I predict that this will be a short thread.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:08 AM (#5901042)
Do they really still lowercase the d in deGrom when it's the first word of a headline? That seems wrong to me.
   5. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:12 AM (#5901043)
Considering his late start to his career, deGrom is unlikely to make the HOF but he has been as good as anyone since he has been in the big leagues.
   6. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:21 AM (#5901045)
Do they really still lowercase the d in deGrom when it's the first word of a headline? That seems wrong to me.


As a 'de' person, I heartily approve -- it's lowercase, dammit, it's like e. e. cummings.
   7. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5901048)
deGrom has 3 fewer wins in his 2 CYA years than Verlander had in his first.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5901057)
I predict that this will be a short thread.

If you had to guess, how many different zip codes have you eaten mayonnaise in?
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:25 AM (#5901069)
As a 'de' person, I heartily approve -- it's lowercase, dammit, it's like e. e. cummings.


But any other word that would normally be lowercased, like "the" or "a," gets capitalized when you put it at the front of a headline. Why do we make an exception for names? "E.e. cummings named new manager of the Padres" - that works for me.
   10. Cooper Nielson Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:35 AM (#5901071)
But any other word that would normally be lowercased, like "the" or "a," gets capitalized when you put it at the front of a headline. Why do we make an exception for names? "E.e. cummings named new manager of the Padres" - that works for me.

But what if your headline was "d Written Backward Is b"?. (IT COULD HAPPEN.) Wouldn't make sense if you capitalize it.
   11. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:54 AM (#5901083)
Then I would rewrite the headline to say "Written Backward, d Is b." Just like I would have rewritten this headline to say "JV Edges Cole, deGrom Repeats Cy Honors."
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5901084)
But any other word that would normally be lowercased, like "the" or "a," gets capitalized when you put it at the front of a headline.


But we all know that a word at the start of a headline is capitalized, and thus don't confuse the or a with proper nouns.

In deGrom's case, if it's capitalized at the front of the sentence, the frequent conclusion was he spelled his name DeGrom.

Just like I would have rewritten this headline to say "JV Edges Cole, deGrom Repeats Cy Honors."


That is the better solution.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5901085)
after three second-place finishes in 2012, 2016 and 2018.

that is brutal.

even one second-place finish in each year would have been frustrating. but nine times in seven years?
   14. JAHV Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5901086)
I agree that the "d" in "deGrom" should be capitalized in a headline. It means "of" or "from" when stuck on the beginning of a surname, so it makes some sense that it's lowercase, but it should still follow normal headline rules where "of" or "from" would normally be capitalized.

I do, however, refuse to use lowercase for E.E. Cummings. It's a name and, by grammatical convention, it should be capitalized. I can't handle writing that eschews capitalization.

Anyway, as an AL fan of a west coast team, I was surprised to find deGrom so far out there in terms of value and production. I know Ryu had missed some time, but I thought he would get a little more love. I guess he did finish second and had a first place vote, but it wasn't all that close.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:05 AM (#5901089)
Despite being hurt both seasons, Ryu has won as many games as deGrom over the past two years. Ryu is 21-8, 2.21, while deGrom is 21-17, 2.05.
   16. John DiFool2 Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5901093)
I assume this means Verlander is now a Hall lock (absent any off-field boneheadedness of course).
   17. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:25 AM (#5901100)
Well deserved award for deGrom. One of these years I hope he'll get some actual run support and maybe some bullpen support and win 23 games. I would have loved to see Verlander and Cole share the award, and am happy to see either one of them win it.

For what it's worth, "e.e. cummings" in lowercase was more of a stylistic choice by his publishers, not the author himself. He tended to write his name with standard capitalization, although not always.

Cummings' publishers and others have often echoed the unconventional orthography in his poetry by writing his name in lowercase and without periods (full stops), but normal orthography for his name (uppercase and periods) is supported by scholarship and preferred by publishers today.[40] Cummings himself used both the lowercase and capitalized versions, though he most often signed his name with capitals.[40]

The use of lowercase for his initials was popularized in part by the title of some books, particularly in the 1960s, printing his name in lower case on the cover and spine...
   18. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5901101)
The very clear solution to the capitalization issue is to go with DEgROM.

Obviously.
   19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5901104)
I predict that this will be a short thread.
Headline Pedant Squad to the rescue!!
   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5901105)
I assume this means Verlander is now a Hall lock (absent any off-field boneheadedness of course).
I could see the Astros doing something bad enough to get all of their players kicked out of the Hall, couldn't you?
   21. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:40 AM (#5901108)
I can't handle writing that eschews capitalization.


Man you would have loved TOLAXOR.
   22. Howie Menckel Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5901112)
the Mets a few years back had deGrom, d'Arnaud, and den Dekker

they use upside-down 'p' letters on the backs of the uniforms, no kidding
   23. Zonk Has Two Faces, Both Laughing Posted: November 14, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5901115)
I do, however, refuse to use lowercase for E.E. Cummings. It's a name and, by grammatical convention, it should be capitalized. I can't handle writing that eschews capitalization.


I presume you must be a bigwig over at wikipedia.... because they agree.

E.E. Cummings.
   24. pikepredator Posted: November 14, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5901129)
I predict that this will be a short thread.

Headline Pedant Squad to the rescue!!


I can't handle writing that eschews capitalization.


Man you would have loved TOLAXOR.


this thread Rocks
   25. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 12:53 PM (#5901132)
It means "of" or "from" when stuck on the beginning of a surname


Not in my case. But I agree that a good compromise is to rewrite the headline so that his name is not the first word.
   26. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: November 14, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5901137)
For what it's worth, "e.e. cummings" in lowercase was more of a stylistic choice by his publishers, not the author himself.

I probably sold about half a dozen signed Cummings books over the course of my shop's life, and I'm 99% sure he always signed his name with the two "E"s capitalized.
   27. Zonk Has Two Faces, Both Laughing Posted: November 14, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5901141)
I would enjoy deGrom changing his name to Jacob of Grom.
   28. JAHV Posted: November 14, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5901150)
For what it's worth, "e.e. cummings" in lowercase was more of a stylistic choice by his publishers, not the author himself. He tended to write his name with standard capitalization, although not always.


When I was looking him up this morning, I read that. But I also saw some of his writing and the capitalization in his works was...inconsistent at best. His writing is not for me.

I would enjoy deGrom changing his name to Jacob of Grom.


I would also enjoy that.
   29. JAHV Posted: November 14, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5901151)
Not in my case. But I agree that a good compromise is to rewrite the headline so that his name is not the first word.


Interesting! What does it signify then?
   30. The Mighty Quintana Posted: November 14, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5901198)
This headline has many other stylistic problems. Isn't Cy Young shorter than Cy honors? Why substitute for that?

JV seems like a terrible sports nickname. More of a veiled insult...If you're going with all last names, just use Verlander.




   31. Walt Davis Posted: November 14, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5901202)
This appears to be official APA style -- yes, it should be capitalized if it starts a sentence or after a colon (but only if what follows the colon is an independent clause) ... but not in a reference list and the link says nothing about titles and sub-titles though I would guess they capitalize.

On the other hand, England English mostly capitalizes only the first letter of an acronym ... which is just dumb.
   32. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 14, 2019 at 04:36 PM (#5901204)
JV seems like a terrible sports nickname. More of a veiled insult...If you're going with all last names, just use Verlander.


JV is horrible, but they're trying to cut down on the number of characters, so you can see the whole headline on your phone.
   33. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 04:46 PM (#5901206)
JV seems like a terrible sports nicknameMore of a veiled insult...If you're going with all last names, just use Verlander. 


They could always go with 'Verly'. You know that's probably how the bullpen catcher & coach refer to him.
   34. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 14, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5901208)
JV is horrible, but they're trying to cut down on the number of characters, so you can see the whole headline on your phone.
Turns out picas were playing the long game.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: November 14, 2019 at 06:20 PM (#5901225)
This appears to be official APA style


And if there's a single official arbiter of proper style, I can't think of a better choice than the American Psychological Association.

   36. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 06:36 PM (#5901226)
Mr. Kate Upton would be shorter than Justin Verlander.
   37. bbmck Posted: November 14, 2019 at 06:46 PM (#5901229)
Hall of Fame starting pitchers who debuted since Koufax under 3000 career IP and deGrom through Age 31, pitching WAR only and only Top 10 MVP finishes:

Pedro Martinez: 71.8 WAR, 175 ERA+, 53 OPS+, 2079 IP, Cy 1-1-1-2-2-3, MVP 2-5, no pennants
Sandy Koufax: 53.1 WAR, 131 ERA+, 70 OPS+, 2324.1 IP, Cy 1-1-1-3, MVP 1-2-2, 3 Rings, 2 WS MVPs, 4 pennants
Roy Halladay: 41.5 WAR, 131 ERA+, 75 OPS+, 1807.2 IP, Cy 1-2-3-5, no MVP votes, no playoffs
Jacob deGrom: 32.7 WAR, 147 ERA+, 70 OPS+, 1101.2 IP, Cy 1-1-7-8, MVP-5-10, 1 pennant

Rest of deGrom's career to match entire career of:

Pedro Martinez: 53.4 WAR, 158 ERA+, 55 OPS+, 1725.2 IP
Roy Halladay: 32.7 WAR, 120 ERA+, 80 OPS+, 1647.2 IP
Sandy Koufax: 20.4 WAR, 117 ERA+, 70 OPS+, 1222.2 IP

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