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Derek Jeter gives expected response to Hall of Fame vote snub

“I look at all the votes that I got,’’ Jeter said of falling one vote short of being unanimous, posting a 99.7 percentage. “Trying to get that many people to agree on something, it is pretty difficult to do.’’

Jim Furtado Posted: January 22, 2020 at 05:57 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hank Gillette Posted: January 22, 2020 at 08:22 PM (#5918484)
I’m not a Jeter fan, but that is a pretty graceful response.
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: January 22, 2020 at 09:24 PM (#5918499)
I’m not a Jeter fan, but that is a pretty graceful response.


There is a reason why the header for the article says gives expected response... Pretty much everything Jeter has done since he was 20 was done through a publicist... he's never had a legitimate moment of un-rehearsed reaction to the public in his entire career...
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:14 PM (#5918527)
There is a reason why the header for the article says gives expected response... Pretty much everything Jeter has done since he was 20 was done through a publicist... he's never had a legitimate moment of un-rehearsed reaction to the public in his entire career...
That’s obviously incorrect. Jeter has given hundreds, probably thousands, of unscripted interviews. It’s hard to believe Jeter had time to get in touch with his publicist for all those postgame on-field & locker room interviews. Apparently it irritates some that Jeter expresses himself with some skill & humility, is respectful of others, and avoids putting his foot in his mouth. That says far more about you than Jeter.
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:21 PM (#5918530)
That’s obviously incorrect. Jeter has given hundreds, probably thousands, of unscripted interviews. It’s hard to believe Jeter had time to get in touch with his publicist for all those postgame on-field & locker room interviews. Apparently it irritates some that Jeter expresses himself with some skill & humility, is respectful of others, and avoids putting his foot in his mouth. That says far more about you than Jeter.


omg... dumb new yorkers.. He has been prepped from the beginning how to handle interviews... he's been the quintessential example of Nuke Laloosh since his first days in the bigs, he's never ever said anything other than boring crap that you would expect from a guy being prepped on how to handle interviews. He's never shown emotion or made a mistake despite the fact that he's been the biggest dog on camera since he was 23....

The guy exudes boring in interviews, while banging hollywood celebs... he has no personality on tv... zilch, nada....none because everything he does is, and has been cultivated since he entered the league.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 22, 2020 at 10:46 PM (#5918539)
That Derek Jeter speaks more carefully, and with far fewer stereotypes, than CFB would seem to be a feature not a bug.
   6. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 08:52 AM (#5918595)
He's never shown emotion or made a mistake despite the fact that he's been the biggest dog on camera since he was 23....

You say this like it's a bad thing.

Anyway, just about every player gets the same advice from their publicist that Jeter did, but few manage to make it through their careers as controversy-free as Jeter did.
   7. Rusty Priske Posted: January 23, 2020 at 08:53 AM (#5918596)
Who wouldn't say something like that?

Getting inducted into the Hall of Fame and complaining that you weren't unanimous would be the most petty, gross thing ever.
   8. Due to the leadership of Zonk... Posted: January 23, 2020 at 09:16 AM (#5918606)
I think Clapper is right.

Why is it such a crime to speak in a manner of graciousness and comity?

Some may find it more "interesting" or "entertaining" or whatever if the statement had been a slash and burn, get the enemies of ME!, pick a fight, bellow and blame, spittle-flecked diatribe... but I am not among them.

I applaud Jeter for demonstrating self-control, decorum, and a statement that makes his fans feel like "what a swell guy", while going out of his way to frame the answer in a manner not at all designed to flip a middle finger at those who are not fans of his (I would count myself among them).

Kudos to Jeter... and to Clapper for recognizing this as valuable trait that we should applaud and desire.
   9. Lassus Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:17 AM (#5918662)
He has been prepped from the beginning how to handle interviews... he's been the quintessential example of Nuke Laloosh since his first days in the bigs

I'm going to dissent here. I've seen Jeter talk live, untaped, no media, and take questions. After all this time, I'm pretty convinced he's simply, actually, completely dull. I don't think you can train or teach someone to be that way and never, ever, ever waver. It's just innate - it is absolutely who is is.

And to be clear, this is not some kind of special skill or superpower - it is the way a massive majority of the human race can be described since the beginning of time.
   10. jmurph Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:20 AM (#5918667)
I think dull has always been wrong. He's intentionally cautious and measured, and it has served him very, very well.

We have no idea if he's actually dull because he (seems to have) decided many years ago he wasn't going to let the public in. I think a lot more celebrities would probably prefer his way if they could go back and do it again.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5918668)
Who wouldn't say something like that?
Well, Trevor Bauer probably won't ever make the Hall...
   12. Lassus Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:38 AM (#5918676)
#10 could be right, sure. How the hell would I really know? But arm-chairing it, I just don't think that kind of sustained artifice is possible. I really think it's just him.
   13. The Good Face Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:43 AM (#5918678)
I think dull has always been wrong. He's intentionally cautious and measured, and it has served him very, very well.


Agreed. Dull is kind of in the eye of the beholder, but Jeter is absolutely cautious and measured in his public interactions and has been since he first came up. At this point it's reasonable to assume that's just who he is. That sort of even keeled, level headed personality is probably a useful trait to have in baseball over the endless grind of the season.
   14. villageidiom Posted: January 23, 2020 at 12:32 PM (#5918701)
Why is it such a crime to speak in a manner of graciousness and comity?
It's not. It's, as Jim put in the link to TFA, expected. It's expected of everyone, really. Do we expect any person elected to the HoF to immediately complain about the proportion of votes they didn't get? Absolutely not.

Jeter answered the questions in the same way as pretty much any other HoF player did when they were elected.
   15. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: January 23, 2020 at 12:38 PM (#5918704)
But he did so dreamily, & with calm, calm eyes.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 12:40 PM (#5918706)
I'm going to dissent here. I've seen Jeter talk live, untaped, no media, and take questions. After all this time, I'm pretty convinced he's simply, actually, completely dull. I don't think you can train or teach someone to be that way and never, ever, ever waver. It's just innate - it is absolutely who is is.

And to be clear, this is not some kind of special skill or superpower - it is the way a massive majority of the human race can be described since the beginning of time.


Agree. I also think he's not very smart, so it's not like he has loads of interesting thoughts to share.

Well, Trevor Bauer probably won't ever make the Hall...

Just last week I heard an interview Bauer did on WFAN. He is very smart, introspective, and genuine. I now like him, despite some of his childish antics.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 23, 2020 at 01:14 PM (#5918726)
Just last week I heard an interview Bauer did on WFAN. He is very smart, introspective, and genuine. I now like him, despite some of his childish antics.
Eh. There are plenty of people in the world who manage to be smart, introspective and genuine without also being obnoxious d-bags.
   18. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 01:27 PM (#5918732)
I'm going to dissent here. I've seen Jeter talk live, untaped, no media, and take questions. After all this time, I'm pretty convinced he's simply, actually, completely dull. I don't think you can train or teach someone to be that way and never, ever, ever waver. It's just innate - it is absolutely who is is.


Like Eli Manning!
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 03:32 PM (#5918792)
Eh. There are plenty of people in the world who manage to be smart, introspective and genuine without also being obnoxious d-bags.

Among professional athletes?
   20. JAHV Posted: January 23, 2020 at 05:14 PM (#5918823)
Whether feigned or genuine (and I have no way of knowing either way, other than to suspect it's genuine since it's always been his public persona), I appreciate Jeter's response. It's not as humble as it could be, depending on how you interpret it, but it certainly lacks the outrage or selfishness that would be unwelcome.

“Trying to get that many people to agree on something, it is pretty difficult to do.’’


Of course, this quote was probably taken out of context and was actually given in response to the question, "Why do so few people attend Marlins games?"
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: January 23, 2020 at 05:25 PM (#5918827)
I personally looked into those Jeter doe eyes several times - during scrums in his early seasons as a Yankee - and if there was a single piece of wood burning behind that visage, let's just say that I couldn't smell it. (sample size issues)

Jeter probably saw Peter Sellers as Chauncey Gardner in the movie "Being There," and thought of the "Killing Me Softly" song by Roberta Flack:

I felt all flushed with fever, embarrassed by the crowd
I felt he'd found my letters and read each one out loud
I prayed that he would finish, but he just kept right on

(except that I doubt he's ever seen the movie, nor heard that song)
   22. JJ1986 Posted: January 23, 2020 at 05:42 PM (#5918830)
The word 'snub' has lost all meaning.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 23, 2020 at 05:53 PM (#5918838)
Among professional athletes?
Sure! In the history of professional athletics, there are at least several dozen people who would fit that description!
   24. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: January 23, 2020 at 07:12 PM (#5918851)

(except that I doubt he's ever seen the movie, nor heard that song)

Probably not, but he's almost certainly heard the Fugees' far superior interpretation of the song.
   25. Howie Menckel Posted: January 23, 2020 at 08:50 PM (#5918865)
Probably not, but he's almost certainly heard the Fugees' far superior interpretation of the song.

SEIZE HIM!

You can admire the Fugees' version and particularly enjoy the musical arrangement, but nobody gets close to the emotional depth that Flack did. thus her version better fits my metaphor.

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