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Monday, February 28, 2022

Derek Jeter stepping down from Marlins

Derek Jeter is stepping down from the Marlins.

The Yankees Hall of Famer was the CEO and minority owner of the team since 2017.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 28, 2022 at 11:14 AM | 47 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 28, 2022 at 11:24 AM (#6066394)
67 wins? Mission accomplished.
   2. Rough Carrigan Posted: February 28, 2022 at 11:29 AM (#6066397)
Will the fans all get fruit baskets?
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 28, 2022 at 11:33 AM (#6066400)
It's curious that he included the sentence about the vision for the future being "different." He could have easily left that out. Might be the most interesting thing he's ever said in public.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 28, 2022 at 11:34 AM (#6066401)
He's also selling his 4% stake in the team, valued at $45M, after originally putting $20M in.
   5. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: February 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM (#6066403)
This has to have something do with the lockout or the team still not wanting to increase payroll, right?
   6. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: February 28, 2022 at 11:43 AM (#6066404)
WP in Jeter's four seasons: 391, 352, 517, 414.

The Yelich trade at the beginning of his tenure hasn't aged too well.
   7. Eddie Gaedel Posted: February 28, 2022 at 12:23 PM (#6066408)
He's also selling his 4% stake in the team, valued at $45M, after originally putting $20M in.


He only doubled his investment over 5 years. He should have invested in the S&P500;.

#ManfredBS
   8. DanG Posted: February 28, 2022 at 12:29 PM (#6066410)
Is it even possible to "step down" from the Marlins?
   9. Ron J Posted: February 28, 2022 at 12:32 PM (#6066411)
#8 Yes. He's moving on to the Washington Commies.
   10. michaelplank has knowledgeable eyes Posted: February 28, 2022 at 12:52 PM (#6066412)
It's curious that he included the sentence about the vision for the future being "different." He could have easily left that out. Might be the most interesting thing he's ever said in public.


I would bet that the Marlins wanted to go to their left, and Jeter ... couldn't.
   11. winnipegwhip Posted: February 28, 2022 at 01:00 PM (#6066414)
#10...That would make two Derek's we know that could not go to their left.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 28, 2022 at 01:01 PM (#6066415)
I would bet that the Marlins wanted to go to their left, and Jeter ... couldn't.
Depending on which way they're facing, that might just be into the ocean.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: February 28, 2022 at 01:20 PM (#6066416)
Does this mean the home run thing can be moved back inside where it belongs?
   14. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: February 28, 2022 at 01:27 PM (#6066418)
The Yelich trade at the beginning of his tenure hasn't aged too well.


To be fair it didn't look good at the time either.
   15. The Duke Posted: February 28, 2022 at 02:08 PM (#6066422)
Hard to argue with his success. He traded three Crown Jewels (Stanton, Ozuna and yelich ) which never nets you a decent return and got….. a decent return. Ozuna was a huge win. Stanton cleared massive salary for what turned out to be an ok player and even though the yelich deal turned sour, he didn’t get saddled with the terrible extension that the Brew Crew made.

He seems to have made some astute trades along the way and built a good pitching staff - hard to win if the owners don’t want to spend
   16. DCA Posted: February 28, 2022 at 02:29 PM (#6066424)
The Yelich trade at the beginning of his tenure hasn't aged too well.

Fittingly, neither has Yelich.

To be fair it didn't look good at the time either.

Here I'll disagree. Brinson was an elite prospect, and the other three were decent. All four missing was always a possibility, but it was a decent package, and Yelich was good-not-great before the 2018 breakout.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: February 28, 2022 at 03:10 PM (#6066428)
No Brinson was ranked in the top 20 which is not elite. He was coming off a seemingly good season at AAA but it was Co Springs -- 331/400/562 looks awfully good but Garrett Cooper hit 366/428/652, Brett Phillips had a 944 OPS and 30-yo Ivan DeJesus jr had a 345 BA. He was turning 24. You'd be quite lucky if that guy turned into Yelich. Adding Yamamoto, who K'd a lot of guys, certainly made it an interesting package.

But Yelich was super-cheap, under control for 4 more years plus a club option (he still wouldn't be FA). The Marlins got "out from under" 4/$36 or 5/$50 for a 4-WAR OF. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the best contract in the game at the time.

Now why the Brewers turned their remaining 2/$28 or 3/$41 obligation into a 9/$215 commitment is a good question but clearly not something Jeter cleverly avoided. But sure, there have been far worse trades in MLB history.

The Ozuna trade worked out well. They weren't trading that much -- 2 arb years, ended up costing $22. He was a bit above-average. In strictly baseball terms, Ozuna's had an odd career -- he was coming off a 5+ WAR season and had a 4+ season earlier but otherwise rates out quite average. The Marlins got Alcantara in return which makes the trade an easy win in hindsight -- I really don't remember how it was viewed in real time, I don't even remember what I said.

The Stanton trade was just a trade of a player at full market value (after the Marlins' contribution was taken into account) in exchange for nothing. It's turned out poorly for the Yanks since Stanton can't stay healthy while it has increased profits for the Marlins owners (incl Jeter).
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: February 28, 2022 at 03:47 PM (#6066431)
Hard to argue with his success.
Yes, it is difficult to argue with something imaginary.
   19. Jay Seaver Posted: February 28, 2022 at 03:53 PM (#6066432)
What's this mean for Kim Ng? Given that, if I recall correctly, he was the guy that pushed for her based on her time with the Yankees, is she the one whose direction he doesn't agree with or is she in a crappier situation than "chief of baseball operations for the Marlins" already implies, already being told to do something other than she thought she was hired for?
   20. TDF, trained monkey Posted: February 28, 2022 at 04:00 PM (#6066433)
The hot rumor (I read it on CBS Sports) is he quit in solidarity with the players. So I may have to improve my opinion of him.
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 28, 2022 at 04:04 PM (#6066434)
Joel Sherman: Derek Jeter left Marlins over $15 million promise, power struggle

Among the issues, sources say, is that Jeter went into the lockout believing team chairman Bruce Sherman had approved the spending of another $10 million-$15 million on player(s) whenever transactions begin again. And that plan was reversed, in Jeter’s understanding. Jeter did not only see that as reneging on a promise, but as a statement against the build up to try to win – and Jeter was biding the bad times to satisfy his passion to ultimately win.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: February 28, 2022 at 05:11 PM (#6066444)
$10-15 M is not a lot these days. Both the Marlins are being very cheap and Jeter may over-estimates how close they are to winning this year if he things $10-15 is likely to make much difference. Granted, $10-15 M probably goes a lot further in a post-lockout scramble ... and likely 14 team postseason ... maybe it's not so fanciful they'll be in the hunt.
   23. The Duke Posted: February 28, 2022 at 05:29 PM (#6066449)
Ozuna also netted Zac Gallen who provided them 1WAR before netting them Chisholm who will probably get them 10 WAR or more so that’s a huge win for Ozuna who did not much in his two years with the Cards

The brewers extension of yelich is likely exactly what the Marlins would have done. No one could know yelich was going to break a knee and then have his back go out but they avoided a disaster there.

I think Jeter did an excellent job within the constraints he was given. I’m assuming they won’t spend but were they to spend, jeter has left them a. Good baseline
   24. The Duke Posted: February 28, 2022 at 05:31 PM (#6066450)
Kim Ng is gone - but someone will pick her up before she has a chance to cash the severance check. Maybe the Mets - they need more Good PR.
   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 28, 2022 at 05:35 PM (#6066452)
Hard to argue with his success
Yes, it is difficult to argue with something imaginary.
Might want to compare the Marlins farm system rankings today compared to 4 years ago, and remember who hired Kim Ng. The Marlins had their 1st winning season in more than a decade, and their only playoff appearance in 17 years, while Jeter was CEO. Not bad given the hand he was dealt.
   26. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 28, 2022 at 05:35 PM (#6066453)

$10-15 M is not a lot these days. Both the Marlins are being very cheap and Jeter may over-estimates how close they are to winning this year if he things $10-15 is likely to make much difference. Granted, $10-15 M probably goes a lot further in a post-lockout scramble ... and likely 14 team postseason ... maybe it's not so fanciful they'll be in the hunt.


My guess its about the principle. Sherman has gone back on his workd, and if he won't approve $10-15M, he certainly won't approve anything more in the future, and Jeter can read the writing on the wall. It is funny people keep believing Marlins ownership will spend money on a sustainable winner one of these days, while Lucy keeps jerking the football back.
   27. Howie Menckel Posted: February 28, 2022 at 06:00 PM (#6066457)
The Marlins had their 1st winning season in more than a decade, and their only playoff appearance in 17 years, while Jeter was CEO.


alternatively, "The Marlins never won more than 67 games, while Jeter was CEO."

some might also find that misleading, too.

and they still have never won a playoff game and yet not won the World Series in the same season.
   28. SoSH U at work Posted: February 28, 2022 at 06:08 PM (#6066460)
and they still have never won a playoff game and yet not won the World Series in the same season.


I know people like to pretend the WC game doesn't count as a postseason game, but now none of the first round contests in 2020 count as well?
   29. JJ1986 Posted: February 28, 2022 at 06:16 PM (#6066461)
Kim Ng is gone - but someone will pick her up before she has a chance to cash the severance check.
This seems made up.
   30. Buck Coats Posted: February 28, 2022 at 06:17 PM (#6066462)
It is funny people keep believing Marlins ownership will spend money on a sustainable winner one of these days, while Lucy keeps jerking the football back.


..do they?
   31. Nasty Nate Posted: February 28, 2022 at 07:53 PM (#6066464)
Yes, it is difficult to argue with something imaginary.

Might want to compare the Marlins farm system rankings today compared to 4 years ago, and remember who hired Kim Ng. The Marlins had their 1st winning season in more than a decade, and their only playoff appearance in 17 years, while Jeter was CEO. Not bad given the hand he was dealt.
Wow you are pathetic.
   32. Howie Menckel Posted: February 28, 2022 at 08:03 PM (#6066466)
I know people like to pretend the WC game doesn't count as a postseason game, but now none of the first round contests in 2020 count as well?

wait, the Marlins won a postseason game in 2020?
I thought the Braves swept them in three games...
   33. SoSH U at work Posted: February 28, 2022 at 08:13 PM (#6066467)
I thought the Braves swept them in three games...


They did, after the Marlins swept the Cubs.

   34. Howie Menckel Posted: February 28, 2022 at 08:32 PM (#6066469)
thanks. the Marlins weren't quite one of the top five teams that year, so it's a shaky postseason berth and then a funky 2-out-of-3 round.

some might not accept that, then - but yes, I'm willing to say they "won two postseason games" in 2020 anyway.

BB-Ref should fix its year-by-year listing of records plus postseason results on the franchise pages by listing each series - instead of only the one they lost (or won the WS).

that's a curious decision by them, given how remarkably well put together the site always has been thanks to Sean and his minions. but they have fixed things before, so hope abounds.
   35. JJ1986 Posted: February 28, 2022 at 08:44 PM (#6066471)
thanks. the Marlins weren't quite one of the top five teams that year, so it's a shaky postseason berth and then a funky 2-out-of-3 round.

some might not accept that, then - but yes, I'm willing to say they "won two postseason games" in 2020 anyway.

BB-Ref should fix its year-by-year listing of records plus postseason results on the franchise pages by listing each series - instead of only the one they lost (or won the WS).

that's a curious decision by them, given how remarkably well put together the site always has been thanks to Sean and his minions. but they have fixed things before, so hope abounds.


"My bad" also would work.
   36. Howie Menckel Posted: February 28, 2022 at 08:58 PM (#6066472)
I said "thanks," and that I am not one to ignore those two postseason wins.

what manner of sacrifice is needed to gain your approval?

and do you prefer that the franchise pages NOT list each postseason round in the year-by-year listings?
   37. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 28, 2022 at 10:21 PM (#6066478)
and do you prefer that the franchise pages NOT list each postseason round in the year-by-year listings?

In what space? Currently I can see (for instance) 25 years of Braves history on my screen at a time; listing round-by-round playoff results on the franchise page would probably cut that at least in half and add a bunch of white space in every other field of the table. If I need the details, I can either click on the team page for the individual year, or go to the main Postseason page.
   38. Howie Menckel Posted: February 28, 2022 at 11:08 PM (#6066480)
you make a good point in that I am looking at it on a desktop, and Sean long ago made the understandable adjustment to focusing on a smartphone experience.

and the Braves example, while quite unusual, is part of that challenge.
I wonder if they could compromise with something like "W-WC; W-NLDS; L-NLCS."

meaning, at a glance you don't think that's all it was (and over time, it's not always easy to remember when an NLCS loss was in a "first round" and when it was only after winning in the NLDS, without even dealing with WC games or 2020 cases).

a harder nut to crack than I had considered.

I wonder if the "hide partial rows" option could work, as with players who played with two or more teams in multiple seasons. one user prefers to see that breakdown - and the next one is focused not on the teams, but on the seasonal stats.
   39. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 01, 2022 at 02:51 AM (#6066487)
IIRC, Jeter had a sweetheart deal where he got paid a lot and had a very large travel budget. He probably more than made back his initial investment in salary alone, ignoring the proceeds of the sale. Nice work if you can get it.
   40. Accent Shallow only believes what it believes Posted: March 01, 2022 at 09:25 AM (#6066491)
My guess its about the principle. Sherman has gone back on his workd, and if he won't approve $10-15M, he certainly won't approve anything more in the future, and Jeter can read the writing on the wall. It is funny people keep believing Marlins ownership will spend money on a sustainable winner one of these days, while Lucy keeps jerking the football back.


It's a different ownership group than in the past, so isn't that not an unreasonable expectation?
   41. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: March 01, 2022 at 09:35 AM (#6066492)
So lifelong True Yankee joins the Marlins, trades their best player to the Yankees, leaves Marlins after earning huge profit. MASSIVE CONSPIRACY THEORY!!! IT'S ALL RIGGED!!!*

* no it's not, he's just a putz.
   42. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: March 01, 2022 at 10:03 AM (#6066495)
The brewers extension of yelich is likely exactly what the Marlins would have done.


It's definitely not! As pointed out above, he was under control for another 4 years plus a club option.

The Ozuna trade worked out well and the Stanton trade, even if it meant saying bye to the reigning MVP and face of the franchise, got them free from a potential albatross. We haven't mentioned the Realmuto trade yet. That may work out in the long run, depending on Sixto Sanchez's development, but it's far from certain and it cost them 2 years of having the league's best catcher.

But to call Jeter's tenure a success ... I mean, do wins still matter? They have a .400 WP in his four years. This followed a four-year WP of .470, which included .475 the season before he joined. If you want to say that some of his trades worked, or that the minor league system is better than when he left it - fine. But calling four years of .400 ball a success can be explained by nothing other than Jeter fanboyism.
   43. Rally Posted: March 01, 2022 at 10:05 AM (#6066497)
The brewers extension of yelich is likely exactly what the Marlins would have done. No one could know yelich was going to break a knee and then have his back go out but they avoided a disaster there.


If Marlins had extended him, the contract would pay 6 million in the first year, 12 the second, and then balloon to over 30. And you can easily guess which year they would have traded him.
   44. Jack Sommers Posted: March 01, 2022 at 10:36 AM (#6066499)
Dan and ZIPS are really down on the Marlins offense and the first two paragraphs of his article seem to indicate Jeter didn't accomplish much in his 5 years. I agree the with the sentiment that 15M wasn't going to improve the team much, but they still should be TRYING. Isn't that what this whole lockout / strike is over ?


We’ll get the bad news out of the way first because, well, that’s the order we do these blurbs in. There’s a lot to like about the Miami Marlins, but most of those things are on the pitching side. The offensive holes aren’t so deep as to prevent baseballs or electromagnetic radiation from escaping. But the offense is thoroughly uninspiring wherever you look. The lineup is neither good nor particularly young, and as such, it will likely struggle to push the Marlins to be much better than the National League’s 14th-ranked offense in runs scored, Miami’s 2021 mark

Even more concerning is that the better-performing players are mostly already in their decline phase. Miguel Rojas, Jesús Aguilar, and Jacob Stallings are already on the wrong side of 30 and not the kind of awesome where there’s a lot of room for a soft landing, though Stallings’ glove ought to make him valuable longer than the other two, especially Aguilar. While I hate to discourage the Marlins from investing in free agents, it’s hard to envision Avisaíl García really doing much to improve the team.

   45. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 01, 2022 at 02:02 PM (#6066522)
Stanton trade, even if it meant saying bye to the reigning MVP and face of the franchise, got them free from a potential albatross.


Trading a very good player to save money is not a ####### successful trade!!!! The Marlins have ranked 26, 29, 28, 27 since then in the all-important CB Tax rankings, so I guess they are winning there, right?
   46. Walt Davis Posted: March 01, 2022 at 02:42 PM (#6066523)
#44 and #45: The Stanton trade isn't really a "trade" and it's not a "sale" exactly either. They had an asset that they (and the market) decided wasn't worth what Stanton was owed (due to deferring the early salary) so let somebody else take him on at fair market value while paying the difference.

The Marlins end up paying $60 M for his last 2 arb years and first FA year with half of that deferred to 2026-28. They got out from under 10/$265 which is a lot of years but hardly a huge AAV. It could still work out OK for the Yanks but obviously he needs to stay healthy.

That can be a good baseball move if the team getting financial relief spends the money "saved" on other assets, hopefully ones that provide a better return. Not easy to do of course but the Red Sox, after the Punto trade, managed to pull it off (whether by luck or design is left as an exercise for the reader). The Marlins of course have yet to spend any of the "savings" from the Stanton trade. The "savings" from the Ozuna trade were fairly minimal and there really were no savings from the Yelich trade.
   47. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: March 01, 2022 at 02:48 PM (#6066524)
A good baseball trade is one where your baseball team gets better. Saving money is good if you then use it to make yourself better but saving money by itself is not a good thing.

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