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Friday, October 30, 2020

Detroit Tigers hire A.J. Hinch as new manager

A.J. Hinch, days removed from completing his one-year MLB suspension for his role in the Houston Astros’ 2017 sign-stealing plot, is returning to baseball to manage the Detroit Tigers, a person with knowledge of the deal told the Free Press on Friday.

The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal has yet to be announced.

Hinch, 46, interviewed with general manager Al Avila on Thursday and spent the entire day in Detroit with him and other members of the front office. His wife, Erin, was expected to take a plane Friday to join him.

The financial terms of Hinch’s agreement weren’t immediately available.

Official now:

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:09 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Nasty Nate Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:32 PM (#5986677)
They should have had Tony Larussa's signature on the graphic...
   2. JJ1986 Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:35 PM (#5986679)
If Alex Cora gets hired in Boston, first-time managers will get none of the jobs.
   3. base ball chick Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:40 PM (#5986683)
intersting that the manager and coaches are being shrugged off, but not the players. reminds me of hating ONLY bonds/clemens for supposed steroid use, no caring in the least about any other player who actually tested positive
   4. jmurph Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:42 PM (#5986685)
intersting that the manager and coaches are being shrugged off, but not the players. reminds me of hating ONLY bonds/clemens for supposed steroid use, no caring in the least about any other player who actually tested positive

I see your point but the players also received no actual punishment, so there's that.
   5. asinwreck Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5986686)
#### Jerry Reinsdorf.
   6. base ball chick Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:55 PM (#5986689)
jmurph

who would get punished? the guys who said no thanks but didn't rat becauase teammates don't do stuff like that. would the punishment have anything to do with how often they used the garbage can? with punishments, why would anyone admit to it at all, or not simply go behind umpty attorneys - it's not like there is a positive drug test. are you going to suspend the entire team, even the guys now on different teams? how is that gonna work? i think a LOT of people are furious that every person on that team didn't get permanently banned from baseball. going a little far i would say
   7. jmurph Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:59 PM (#5986692)
Oh I honestly have no idea, I'm not sure I'd be in favor of it or not. I'm just saying, Hinch and Cora and especially Beltran faced actual consequences, the players didn't (I don't really count being booed as an actual consequence!).
   8. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:16 PM (#5986696)
returning to baseball to manage the Detroit Tigers


He can't do both.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:20 PM (#5986698)
Mentioned this in the other thread, but four Central Division managers have won pennants (Hinch, Francona, LaRussa, Matheny) and all but Matheny have rings.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:30 PM (#5986699)
reminds me of hating ONLY bonds/clemens for supposed steroid use, no caring in the least about any other player who actually tested positive
Is there anyone who actually takes this position? As far as I can tell people who scorn Bonds and Clemens also scorn, for example, ARod and Braun. Yeah, certain players seem to get a pass - Ortiz, Pettitte, Nelson Cruz - but it's not like Bonds and Clemens get singled out.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 30, 2020 at 03:04 PM (#5986702)
Is there anyone who actually takes this position? As far as I can tell people who scorn Bonds and Clemens also scorn, for example, ARod and Braun. Yeah, certain players seem to get a pass - Ortiz, Pettitte, Nelson Cruz - but it's not like Bonds and Clemens get singled out.

Sosa, Palmeiro, and McGwire have also been scorned.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: October 30, 2020 at 03:15 PM (#5986704)
To the extent Clemens and Bonds face additional opprobrium for their usage, it's primarily due to them being less liked independent of steroids.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: October 30, 2020 at 07:04 PM (#5986739)
The weirdest example IMO was the difference between Melky Cabrera and Guillermo Mota in 2012. Melky got suspended, dumped off the Giants' playoff roster and even had his batting title taken away. Mota was suspended in May (for the 2nd time in his career) and was on the roster for all three postseason series. One was a pariah, one was another guy on the team. Melky did have his brief hilariously amateurish attempt to dodge the penalty by creating a phony website and that was certainly part of it. FWIW it was my impression that Giant players had no desire to have Melky around either. (Melky still got a ring though.)
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: October 31, 2020 at 12:33 AM (#5986779)
The weirdest example IMO was the difference between Melky Cabrera and Guillermo Mota in 2012. Melky got suspended, dumped off the Giants' playoff roster and even had his batting title taken away. Mota was suspended in May (for the 2nd time in his career) and was on the roster for all three postseason series.


Mota was back in time for the playoffs. Melky's ban would have extended into the postseason. As for the batting title, Melky recused himself from consideration, which really shouldn't be an option, but MLB jumped on the opportunity.
   15. crict Posted: October 31, 2020 at 07:55 AM (#5986800)
As a Tigers fan, I'm not thrilled about Hinch. Either he knew about the whole thing and ignored, or he didn't know what was going on in his clubhouse. Neither is a good look.
   16. base ball chick Posted: October 31, 2020 at 12:49 PM (#5986814)
What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:30 PM (#5986699)

reminds me of hating ONLY bonds/clemens for supposed steroid use, no caring in the least about any other player who actually tested positive

Is there anyone who actually takes this position? As far as I can tell people who scorn Bonds and Clemens also scorn, for example, ARod and Braun. Yeah, certain players seem to get a pass - Ortiz, Pettitte, Nelson Cruz - but it's not like Bonds and Clemens get singled out


- arod got punished because he escaped positive tests and was punished because of illegally gotten info. braun was scorned because he got caught but got the carrier fired

- sammy sosa is accused/blamed/tarred without any evidence whatsoever, but he's already convicted in evedryone's eyes and is condemned because he won't admit what everyone wants to be true

- ortiz has been presumed to have taken drugs by people who hate the red sox or hate ortiz, but he hasn't been sosa'd by any means. and he'll easily get into the HOF

- i see no hatred/screaming for nelson cruz, robinson cano, starling marte, dee gordon, michael pineda, melky cabrera etc. all they ever get is a shrug. absolutely no one else has received any care at all except the Five EVULLLL Ones


crict Posted: October 31, 2020 at 07:55 AM (#5986800)
As a Tigers fan, I'm not thrilled about Hinch. Either he knew about the whole thing and ignored, or he didn't know what was going on in his clubhouse. Neither is a good look.


- he has plainly stated that he knew what was going on and didn't stop it. he SEZ he didn't like it. however, he has carefully not said anything about whether or not he didn't because the FO came up with ther ideer and i doubt he ever will unless he writes memoirs after his career is ovah and he has actually retired unlike TLR
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 31, 2020 at 02:09 PM (#5986824)
absolutely no one else has received any care at all except the Five EVULLLL Ones
Maybe, but that’s still a pretty big move of the goalposts from your first statement :).

But even just going by HoF voting, there are more than five: Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Ramirez, ARod (safe to assume), Sheffield, Palmeiro.

The players who get the most scorn are pretty much the ones who have the most success, with a few exceptions as noted above (Ortiz, Cruz, Pettitte).
   18. base ball chick Posted: October 31, 2020 at 05:03 PM (#5986849)
What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 31, 2020 at 02:09 PM (#5986824)

absolutely no one else has received any care at all except the Five EVULLLL Ones

Maybe, but that’s still a pretty big move of the goalposts from your first statement :).


- grinning
i guess because these days, it's all about bonds/clemens

But even just going by HoF voting, there are more than five: Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Ramirez, ARod (safe to assume), Sheffield, Palmeiro.

The players who get the most scorn are pretty much the ones who have the most success, with a few exceptions as noted above (Ortiz, Cruz, Pettitte)


- palmeiro only got shttt at first because of his speech to congress, then because he stated that he got a tainted shot from miggy tejada, a CONFIRMED steroid user, who, for some reason, never got ANY shttt about his own steroid use

- mannybmanny - took me a long minute before i could figure out who this ramirez guy was - he would have been chris colabello'd if he hadn't been a complete dumbass and used the stuff again afater the FIRST suspension

but NONE of these guys ever got anything like the HATE directed to bonds/clemens

if doing steroids is such an EVULLLLL thing, then it doesn't make it any less EVULLL if you got no earthly idea who chris colabello is
   19. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: November 01, 2020 at 07:53 AM (#5986930)
Sosa, Palmeiro, and McGwire have also been scorned.


We dare not speak of The Beast.

And Mike Crudale.
   20. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 01, 2020 at 10:52 AM (#5986936)
- i see no hatred/screaming for nelson cruz, robinson cano, starling marte, dee gordon, michael pineda, melky cabrera etc. all they ever get is a shrug. absolutely no one else has received any care at all except the Five EVULLLL Ones


Cruz was suspended 50 games. Cano for 80 games. Marte for 80 games, Gordon for 80 games, Pineda for 60 games, Cabrera for 50 games.

In other words, they all were caught, and they were punished. They did their time.

People's beef with Bonds and Clemens is that they were never punished. They never paid for what they did.

   21. base ball chick Posted: November 01, 2020 at 08:32 PM (#5986975)
bonds and clemens broke no rules. neither did sosa. if they did what they are accused of, it was BEFORE the rules. but that doesn't matter none i guess. conviction without proof
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 02, 2020 at 10:15 AM (#5987006)
bonds and clemens broke no rules. neither did sosa. if they did what they are accused of, it was BEFORE the rules. but that doesn't matter none i guess. conviction without proof

Alleged domestic abusers also get punished by MLB despite their alleged crimes not being in the rules of baseball. They also get punished upon mere accusation. This is not just about steroids, or Bonds and Clemens, it's about how MLB handles bad PR.
   23. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: November 02, 2020 at 10:32 AM (#5987009)
Bonds was punished plenty, imo. He was blackballed from playing despite obvious productivity, in addition to other losses.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: November 02, 2020 at 10:53 AM (#5987012)
On the other hand, Clemens and Bonds continue to get the most votes for the Hall among the strongly suspected/known user class. Clearly, they're the most loved.

Seriously, they're the two best players, by far, suspected of roids during the height of the PED reckoning. They were also not particularly well liked (Clemens more so at the end; Bonds based more on his early days). Given these two facts and human nature, it's not surprising they became the two villainous faces of the roid era. But it's not as if these guys are "hated" and everyone else isn't. That's just not accurate.
   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 02, 2020 at 11:06 AM (#5987015)
They were also not particularly well liked (Clemens more so at the end; Bonds based more on his early days). Given these two facts and human nature, it's not surprising they became the two villainous faces of the roid era.
They've both been credibly accused of very villainous conduct toward women as well.

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