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Thursday, April 04, 2019

Diamondbacks’ Adam Jones has Petco Park fan ejected for vulgar language

SAN DIEGO — Diamondbacks right fielder Adam Jones said a fan in right field at Petco Park was berating him with profane language on Wednesday, and he spoke with ballpark security to have the fan removed from the game.

Jones has had past incidents with fans spewing racial insults – notably at Fenway Park in 2017 – but he said this did not rise to that level.

“These fans in sports, man, they’re starting to get a little more brazen,” Jones said. “I’ve said it many times, and obviously I’ve had altercations with fans. My biggest thing is, keep the banter polite – we suck, I struck out, the team’s not good. Keep it light, keep it smart. There’s kids in the stadium. But the second you start cussing me out like I’m a little kid, that’s a no-no.

We know the real crisis has begun when the fans start making up new lyrics to “Tessie” again.

 

QLE Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:12 AM | 80 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. flournoy Posted: April 04, 2019 at 11:29 AM (#5828544)
But the second you start cussing me out like I’m a little kid, that’s a no-no.


Hold on, who cusses out little kids?
   2. Zonk Has Two Faces, Both Laughing Posted: April 04, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5828548)
Hold on, who cusses out little kids?


Len Dykstra
   3. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 04, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5828555)
Hold on, who cusses out little kids?


I once ejected a parent from a LL game for cussing out his own kid because he made a couple of errors.
   4. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5828556)
I once ejected a parent from a LL game for cussing out his own kid because he made a couple of errors.

I hope he had his kids taken away.
   5. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 04, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5828557)
Do this day I wonder if I shouldn't have called the cops.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: April 04, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5828559)
You should have heard what I had to say to the little ###### when we got home.

   7. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: April 04, 2019 at 12:26 PM (#5828560)
Kind of sad the player had to get involved. Why are sports stadiums personnel so terrible at this part of the job? Or is not an expectation unless people or players really complain? Because at a Raiders game the language is just insanely bad versus say a Packers game where if you drop an F bomb the other fans self police and tell you if you do it again they can have you ejected and if you get ejected the person associated with those tickets can have their season ticket privileges revoked. PLayers should not have to get involved.
   8. . Posted: April 04, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5828594)
Actually, it's very sad that security at baseball games have become players' personal speech monitors, ejecting people from an event they paid to see based on the word of an athlete. Unless you're a fanboy, I guess.

Athletes remain orders of magnitude more dangerous to civilians than vice versa.
   9. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: April 04, 2019 at 01:58 PM (#5828598)
Kind of sad the player had to get involved. Why are sports stadiums personnel so terrible at this part of the job? Or is not an expectation unless people or players really complain? Because at a Raiders game the language is just insanely bad versus say a Packers game where if you drop an F bomb the other fans self police and tell you if you do it again they can have you ejected and if you get ejected the person associated with those tickets can have their season ticket privileges revoked. PLayers should not have to get involved.


It's tough, you put 30,000+ people in a building and unless you want to just overwhelm people with security guards there are going to be people with the freedom to act like dirtbags.

As bad as things may be right now they are still dramatically better than when I was a kid. In the late 70s/early 80s brawls in the stands (especially the bleachers) were pretty common, at least at Fenway. Ballparks are definitely a more family friendly place in 2019 than they were in 1979.
   10. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: April 04, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5828600)
I once ejected a parent from a LL game for cussing out his own kid because he made a couple of errors.


I've been coaching for awhile now and it is amazing to me the way some people are. We had a situation where the mom of one of the players in an 8 year old game was ejected for berating the 14 year old umpire for missing a call. She then refused to leave and the president of the league had to speak to her. Her response was "you don't get it, the ump missed the call." Are you kidding me? It's unbelievable.

Like so many other things, 99.99% of the people and experiences are wonderful. It's that .01% that lingers. In all the years I've coached I have had a significant issue with one parent and I can still remember everything about that night five years ago. The constant great moments blend together.
   11. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5828603)
I've been coaching for awhile now and it is amazing to me the way some people are. We had a situation where the mom of one of the players in an 8 year old game was ejected for berating the 14 year old umpire for missing a call. She then refused to leave and the president of the league had to speak to her. Her response was "you don't get it, the ump missed the call." Are you kidding me? It's unbelievable.
I've been very pleasantly surprised with travel soccer so far. Still at a low-stakes age (U10), but virtually no screaming at players or refs.

There's only one situation I can think of in two years: there was one game in a tournament where one of our girls got shoved to the ground from behind, and the ref called the penalty on her rather than the one who shoved her. We were a bit perturbed, but there was no cursing or profanity, just, "Come on, what game are you watching?" type stuff. The ref threatened to eject us, and we shut up, but the call was so egregious that the other team's coach actually said to the ref, "Maybe if you made the calls correctly, they wouldn't get upset," and then he ordered his player to deliberately kick the penalty kick out of bounds so we'd get the ball back. (Which tells you how bad the call was.)
   12. Lassus Posted: April 04, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5828607)
Athletes remain orders of magnitude more dangerous to civilians than vice versa.

I know everyone else has you on ignore, literally or figuratively, but this is why you're called a troll.
   13. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 03:03 PM (#5828626)
I once ejected a parent from a LL game for cussing out his own kid because he made a couple of errors.


Yeah, anybody who has coached or reffed kids' sports has witness an adult cussing out a kid, sometimes in terms so heated and foul that the kid wouldn't be allowed in to see a movie with that kind of language.

Does make me wonder about Jones' dad, though.
   14. flournoy Posted: April 04, 2019 at 03:40 PM (#5828649)
I've been coaching and officiating youth athletics very actively for a decade; I've never seen that.
   15. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 04, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5828650)
I've been very pleasantly surprised with travel soccer so far. Still at a low-stakes age (U10), but virtually no screaming at players or refs.


In my 15 years experience as a coach and an official, my general experience is the lower the stakes, the worse the parents. In high end HS Baseball or Volleyball games, no one says a word except to cheer. In low end LL or U-10 soccer, every close call has to be litigated by the parents and coaches because otherwise Junior won't get that athletic scholarship to Stanford. The last LL game I worked, it was a 9-10 YO league, one of the coaches demanded I discipline the other team because they were making fart noises every time one of his players came up to bat. I told him to shut up and get back in the coaches box, finished the game, and informed the league I would never do another game.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5828653)
Yeah, anybody who has coached or reffed kids' sports has witness an adult cussing out a kid, sometimes in terms so heated and foul that the kid wouldn't be allowed in to see a movie with that kind of language.

He swung at a 3-0 pitch with no one on in the 7th, down 3 runs. He deserved every bit of it.
   17. BrianBrianson Posted: April 04, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5828655)
As an umpire for 9-11 year olds, I saw a few problem parents. Really, it was my own fault - I got a reputation with the chief umpire when I was 15, and was working the bases with a 17 year old guy behind the plate. We overheard the coach's son planning to hit a specific batter, and told him if he did it, we'd toss him. Well, he did, and we did. The coach made a number of unveiled threats about our relative access to aluminium bats, and the other umpire quit, I think. I just forwent getting that coach's signature on my work sheet, and took catwalks home so I couldn't be followed in a car or whatnot.

After that - the chief umpire decided I should be sent to any game where a parent or coach was known or suspected to be a problem.
   18. RoyalFlush Posted: April 04, 2019 at 04:00 PM (#5828657)
Does make me wonder about Jones' dad, though.


It makes me think that he had a solid male role model that taught him he doesn't have to take that #### from anyone.
   19. . Posted: April 04, 2019 at 04:31 PM (#5828667)
I know everyone else has you on ignore, literally or figuratively, but this is why you're called a troll.


For bringing an obviously germane fact into the analysis of the situation? Seems a bit odd.

In any event, all I can do is note relevant facts, analyze them, and see where it leads. Can't control the audience's reaction, and I'm not really getting paid for this so it doesn't really matter one way or the other. I'll analyze and write from time to time, and it will get the reception it gets.
   20. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5828670)
I've been coaching and officiating youth athletics very actively for a decade; I've never seen that.
 


Either you're fortunate or I'm unfortunate, then, because I've seen it many times in more than one sport.
   21. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 04:42 PM (#5828673)
Athletes remain orders of magnitude more dangerous to civilians than vice versa.

I know everyone else has you on ignore, literally or figuratively, but this is why you're called a troll.


For bringing an obviously germane fact into the analysis of the situation? Seems a bit odd.


The generality of your fact is not germane at all to this specific situation.
   22. . Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:02 PM (#5828682)
The generality of your fact is not germane at all to this specific situation.


Generalities should color analyses of the specific -- particularly when the specific is biased by the specific category of one of the participants. The generality is an antidote to the bias, in this case one that shows that whatever bias there is should go in precisely the opposite direction.

I also offered a comment on the specifics, which is that Jones doesn't warrant a private security guard to police the speech of people who paid to get into the game (absent some kind of overtly threatening or racist speech). There's no reason whatever to preference his snowflakey tender mercies over the freedom of a paid customer to enjoy a baseball game he paid to enjoy -- and any number of reasons to preference the freedom of the paid customer.

An actually privileged man availing himself of a private security guard, who is there to provide security to more than just the privileged man, to lord over an average citizen just because the average citizen said something the privileged man didn't like very much smacks of oligarchy, and even carries a whiff of fascism.
   23. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:20 PM (#5828686)
and any number of reasons to preference the freedom of the paid customer.


Paying admission does not give anyone the right to create a hostile work environment. Suppose the paid customer was a waiter and Jones when to his restaurant, paid for a meal, and hurled profanity at him all evening? Hell, not even profanity, just heckled him all evening. "You suck. You're the most incompetent waiter I have ever seen. I have turtles that move faster than you." I imagine he would be asked to leave in short order, if not escorted out by police.
   24. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:24 PM (#5828688)
I coach youth volleyball. I had to rush to the referee's defense when my team was called for a blatant double contact. The ball rolled down her arm to wrist. I had to silence about half of them which were barking at this teenage kid who is likely a good club player and making a few bucks reffing 10yr olds. Sometimes parents just don't understand basic rules.
   25. . Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5828689)
Paying admission does not give anyone the right to create a hostile work environment. Suppose the paid customer was a waiter and Jones when to his restaurant, paid for a meal, and hurled profanity at him all evening? Hell, not even profanity, just heckled him all evening. "You suck. You're the most incompetent waiter I have ever seen. I have turtles that move faster than you." I imagine he would be asked to leave in short order, if not escorted out by police.


Right, but these are just cliches and there are long-standing norms at sporting events. And there was no "hostile work environment."

I'm not going to suppose the paid customer was a waiter, because he wasn't. And I'm not going to suppose we're at a restaurant because we're in a much larger, much less intimate space.
   26. escabeche Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:30 PM (#5828690)
one of the coaches demanded I discipline the other team because they were making fart noises every time one of his players came up to bat

To be fair, this is classless behavior and the real failure here is the other team's coach, who should have been telling his kids to shut the hell up and behave like ballplayers. But you can't bring the umpire into it, that I agree with. Coach takes it up with the other coach, I'm fine with.

   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:31 PM (#5828691)
The last LL game I worked, it was a 9-10 YO league, one of the coaches demanded I discipline the other team because they were making fart noises every time one of his players came up to bat. I told him to shut up and get back in the coaches box,
Really? That didn't warrant a "Stop being obnoxious, knock it off and play the game"? Seems to me it would send a good message to the kids that they should compete to the best of their ability and with integrity, and not stoop to cheap attempts to distract.

And yes, I think the "hey, batter batter, swing!" thing is dumb and needed to die back when I was in Little League.

EDIT: Partial Coke to escabeche.
   28. bunyon Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:32 PM (#5828692)
I umped one junior high game while in high school and discovered two things:

1) It's harder than it looks.
2) People suck.

Had no desire to try it again or get involved with youth leagues.
   29. Cris E Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:45 PM (#5828695)
I kind of think one reason JO volleyball has so little trouble with people chirping at the refs is that in many/most tournaments the bulk of the officiating is done by non-playing teams. They get into these play-ref-sit-play rotations and the fact your kids and coaches will be working the next game really takes the intensity out of a lot of the arguments.

That said, "the lower the quality the higher the stakes" does seem to hold true. My goodness some folks have high standards for 14u officiating.
   30. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5828696)

Jones did a good thing for the enjoyment of the paying fans at the game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a dope.
   31. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5828697)

Also I used to umpire youth baseball and referee youth basketball games when I was 15-17 y.o. There were only a few problematic parents over the years. After an incident that I wasn't involved in, the league would have an adult ref partner with one of the teenage refs for each game. Then one game, the adult ref I was partnering with went off on one of the fathers who argued with us, calling the dad a p*ssy in front of a bunch of 3rd grade girls. I think the policy was abandoned shortly thereafter.
   32. Answer Guy. Posted: April 04, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5828699)
Paying admission does not give anyone the right to create a hostile work environment. Suppose the paid customer was a waiter and Jones when to his restaurant, paid for a meal, and hurled profanity at him all evening? Hell, not even profanity, just heckled him all evening. "You suck. You're the most incompetent waiter I have ever seen. I have turtles that move faster than you." I imagine he would be asked to leave in short order, if not escorted out by police.


We're talking about pretty big differences in norms and power dynamics there.

Also, it's a data point in favor of the idea that Adam Jones might be unusually easy to rile up. Opposing fans may begin to take notice of this.
   33. SoSH U at work Posted: April 04, 2019 at 06:37 PM (#5828712)
Sometimes parents just don't understand basic rules.


I was doing a game a few years ago. A kid's on first. A ball gets hit back to the pitcher, who tosses it to first to get the trail runner. For some reason, the kid going to second thought he was out, so he starts heading back to his dugout (on the first base side). The other team tries to put him out, he gets in a rundown and he ends up back on first.

One of the coaches comes out to argue that he should be out, because he was retreating back to the previous base. I told him he was wrong, and thought that was the end of it.

Three days later, he drags out a copy of the rulebook before the next game, starts bellowing loudly how I had blown this call three days earlier, that the problem with the league is the umpires' don't know the rules, etc., to the handful of parents sitting there. Livid, I grab the book from him, go to the relevant section and show him that he was reading the rule incorrectly. He starts to say something and one of the other coaches just says, "Shut up. You were wrong, he was right. Just shut up."

I do soccer and baseball. The worst is the parent/coach who thinks he knows the rules, and doesn't.


   34. filihok Posted: April 04, 2019 at 07:06 PM (#5828719)
are long-standing norms at sporting events

Those are bad norms.
Bad norms should be changed

based on the word of an athlete

I doubt that's how it works.



I umped one junior high game while in high school and discovered two things:

1) It's harder than it looks.

Absolutely.
I've done my best to never criticize and umpire after I tried to umpire.
Sure, there are bad calls, but the umps aren't trying to make them, so disparaging them doesn't make much sense.




   35. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 07:49 PM (#5828724)

Heckling of players has always been the norm, but being offensive about it hasn't been. I sat in the bleachers at Yankee Stadium a few times about 10 years ago (friends had season tickets) and security was very aggressive in ejecting anyone who was rowdy, which included cursing at the players on the field. The idea that this was always accepted behavior until Adam Jones objected is silly.
   36. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 04, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5828736)
Sometimes parents just don't understand basic rules.


Sometimes? That's the understatement of the year. I can't tell you how many times I've been heckled by parents for not calling an infield fly when no one was on base. Or for allowing a batter to advance to 1st on a dropped third strike with a man of first and 2 out, or when a team is out of service rotation and I award a point to the other side, and then that server serves again on the next side out, and so on. A good rule of thumb is parents NEVER know the rules.
   37. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 08:36 PM (#5828747)
The worst is the parent/coach who thinks he knows the rules, and doesn't.


I guess maybe that's the worst for the ump, but the worst for humanity is the former high school baseball star who thinks that yelling "GOD DAMN IT!" every time his kid throws a ball is a good way to make that kid into a major leaguer one day.
   38. SoSH U at work Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:03 PM (#5828755)
Sometimes? That's the understatement of the year. I can't tell you how many times I've been heckled by parents for not calling an infield fly when no one was on base. Or for allowing a batter to advance to 1st on a dropped third strike with a man of first and 2 out, or when a team is out of service rotation and I award a point to the other side, and then that server serves again on the next side out, and so on. A good rule of thumb is parents NEVER know the rules.


I was coaching in a game, and a guy started challenging the home plate ump (a high school kid) on something really basic (such as whether a foul tip caught by the catcher is a live ball). The loudmouth is telling the ump to get the rule book out. The kid at home is like "I don't need to get the rulebook out. I know what the rule is."


   39. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:03 PM (#5828756)
28/34 - I umpired for a few years as a kid and I loved it. It’s a lot of fun and it really gives you an appreciation for how difficult a job it is and why umps miss some of the calls they miss. I always encourage kids I coach to do it when they are old enough (13 in my town).
   40. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:06 PM (#5828757)
And yes, I think the "hey, batter batter, swing!" thing is dumb and needed to die back when I was in Little League.
It took me awhile to even figure out what it was supposed to achieve. It was a bit like the pledge of allegiance--lots of kids going through the motions without understanding the meaning of the words. When I did figure it out, I was embarrassed for everyone involved.

I was a terrible hitter but I had a pretty good eye for strikes, and I can't ever remember being affected by the chant. I just couldn't hit much of anything. The chant didn't even strike me as particularly cruel or unsporting, it was just so immature and childish. And I was only 8 or something.
   41. Cowboy Popup Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:10 PM (#5828759)
Hold on, who cusses out little kids?

Total speculation, but the first thing I thought when I read it is that the fan probably called him "boy." In addition to all the cursing. Could be totally wrong though.

Jones has been relatively open about the racist taunts he's received in the past.
   42. SoSH U at work Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:16 PM (#5828761)
The chant didn't even strike me as particularly cruel or unsporting, it was just so immature and childish.


Chatter of all types was never about the coercive effect of rhythmic suggestion. Rather it was a simple attempt to make Johnny down at third pay attention to the game.

   43. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:34 PM (#5828769)
(such as whether a foul tip caught by the catcher is a live ball).


Yeah. Foul tips are another good one. "That was a foul ball blue. How can you leave him at second (after a successful steal)? Geeze, why can't we get umps who know the rules?!"
   44. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:55 PM (#5828773)

I've done my best to never criticize and umpire after I tried to umpire.
Sure, there are bad calls, but the umps aren't trying to make them, so disparaging them doesn't make much sense.
That's fine for amateur umps who are handling recreational leagues. It does not apply to major league umps.

It also does not apply to bad behavior, as opposed to bad calls.
   45. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:55 PM (#5828774)
My experience with "hey batter batter swing!" and "we want a pitcher not a belly itcher" and so on was mostly harmless and really not bad sportsmanship. You did it to mess around with the guys on the other team not to actually harm their performance, and then after the game you all go out for milkshakes and continue to tease each other because you're kids and no one really means it. And anyway, you've got milkshakes.
   46. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 04, 2019 at 09:59 PM (#5828775)

It took me awhile to even figure out what it was supposed to achieve. It was a bit like the pledge of allegiance--lots of kids going through the motions without understanding the meaning of the words. When I did figure it out, I was embarrassed for everyone involved.
I'm confused: not about its meaning, but about what you originally thought it meant.
   47. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: April 04, 2019 at 10:01 PM (#5828776)
That's fine for amateur umps who are handling recreational leagues. It does not apply to major league umps.

It also does not apply to bad behavior, as opposed to bad calls.


I agree.
   48. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: April 04, 2019 at 11:37 PM (#5828798)
I reffed floor hockey in middle school and high school eons ago, and it was pretty comical how riled up some of the coaches would get since we were usually dealing with grade-school-aged kids. One coach in particular would get so riled up that he'd start calling me a mama's boy if I made a call against his team he didn't like. Unfortunately the adult supervision over the whole things was pretty barebones, and these were "simpler" times, so I just sorta had to take my lumps. I took some solace in knowing that his wife had run out on him and left the kids with him some years prior.

One summer in high school, I umpired little league. The hostility you'd get from parents/coaches didn't necessarily correspond with the age groups, either. I had parents yelling at me in freaking coach pitch games. The most fun was the aged-14 division, when the two best teams, both predominantly Hispanic, would match up. I'm not sure one of those games went by without our boss having to come onto the field and threaten to stop the game if the parents wouldn't settle down and get off our backs.
   49. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: April 05, 2019 at 12:46 AM (#5828804)
I'm confused: not about its meaning, but about what you originally thought it meant.
I don't know. It just seemed so unlike a real thing someone would say so I couldn't connect it to reality. It literally had to dawn on me after some number of games that it was being address to the batter.
   50. Lassus Posted: April 05, 2019 at 06:57 AM (#5828810)
I loved the "HEYbatterbatterbatterbatterbatterbatterbatterSWING" chant while playing 2B because you could actually imagine it was working.
   51. . Posted: April 05, 2019 at 07:08 AM (#5828813)
Heckling of players has always been the norm, but being offensive about it hasn't been. I sat in the bleachers at Yankee Stadium a few times about 10 years ago (friends had season tickets) and security was very aggressive in ejecting anyone who was rowdy, which included cursing at the players on the field. The idea that this was always accepted behavior until Adam Jones objected is silly.


First sentence and the term "offensive" are both a little bit loose. It's never been the case that players couldn't be heckled if that heckling somehow annoyed them.

And the Yankee Stadium example, where rowdiness is attempted to be minimized in order to let the patrons watch the game, isn't what I'm questioning here. What I'm questioning here is the apparent situation where Jones's personal line was "crossed" and he enlisted security to enforce that personal line, and then security apparently unquestioningly enforcing that line against a paying customer. (*) Hopefully some guy didn't punch out another guy while security was involved and engaged in making sure Jones's tender feelings weren't hurt.

(*) There's no indication from Jones's description that the guy was yelling racist or threatening stuff at which point the fact pattern changes and the outcome should change.
   52. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: April 05, 2019 at 07:55 AM (#5828816)
We were allowed to yell "no batter no batter" but we couldn't yell "swing." We also weren't allowed to say anything to the pitcher when our team was at bat. I think the idea of keeping kids paying attention was probably the big goal of it. I know one of my constant tasks when coaching is to make sure kids are paying attention. I often joke that if I simply pick one of our three outfielders at random and yell "hey Johnny wake up" I've got a pretty good chance that I caught someone snoozing.
   53. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: April 05, 2019 at 08:01 AM (#5828818)
My all time coaching highlight was probably the time my 12 year old centerfielder was chatting up some girls behind the fence. Between pitches he would turn around and they would chat. Finally after telling him to pay attention a few times I yelled at the top of my lungs "John Smith* stop flirting!" Oh god was it funny. The girls took off running and his mom told me it was easily the single most enjoyable thing she had ever seen at one of his games. I felt a bit bad for him and apologized after the inning but oh my did we laugh.

* names changed to protect the guilty

Another time I was coaching 5th grade basketball. We had nine kids on our team so we would usually make our subs by bringing four kids on and taking four kids off. No problem. One game it was late and kind of close so while things got a bit tense the kids were worked up. We made a change and the one player who was staying on the court was Jack. It quickly became apparent the kids weren't sure who was on and who was off so finally so we didn't get a technical I screamed "EVERYONE BUT JACK OFF!!!" Then I heard the parents sitting behind us all giggling and my head coach's shoulders shaking he was laughing so hard.
   54. Lassus Posted: April 05, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5828851)
We were allowed to yell "no batter no batter" but we couldn't yell "swing."

Interesting. From previous threads I know we're basically the same age, and WE definitely were allowed. Maybe as pee-wee but not Babe Ruth?
   55. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 05, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5828857)
First sentence and the term "offensive" are both a little bit loose. It's never been the case that players couldn't be heckled if that heckling somehow annoyed them.

And the Yankee Stadium example, where rowdiness is attempted to be minimized in order to let the patrons watch the game, isn't what I'm questioning here. What I'm questioning here is the apparent situation where Jones's personal line was "crossed" and he enlisted security to enforce that personal line, and then security apparently unquestioningly enforcing that line against a paying customer.


We're all making a lot of assumptions here. I doubt the guy was just saying things like, "You suck, Jones!" And I agree with you that the comments probably weren't overtly racist, otherwise Jones would have mentioned that. If the guy was yelling "You're a ####### ##### and your mother is a fat ####\" or vulgar stuff like that then I think security wasn't doing their job to begin with and Jones did the right thing.

I've sat in the LF bleachers at Dodger Stadium when the Giants were in town, and heard plenty of insults hurled at Barry Bonds. I've sat in the Yankee Stadium bleachers and plenty of games in the cheap seats at Shea/Citi Field over the years. So I have a pretty high tolerance for what I think crosses the line -- but there is a line and it's possible to cross it without being racist.
   56. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 05, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5828870)
It quickly became apparent the kids weren't sure who was on and who was off so finally so we didn't get a technical I screamed "EVERYONE BUT JACK OFF!!!" Then I heard the parents sitting behind us all giggling and my head coach's shoulders shaking he was laughing so hard.
This is hilarious.
   57. Lest we forget Posted: April 05, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5828873)
"Generalities should color analyses of the specific"

LOL. Wow. What an overly pompous, self inflated dork. You made my day, little man, not for the pithiness of what you wrote, but the 'tude. Dude's got 'tude!

sign me a laughing hyena
bye bye

   58. . Posted: April 05, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5828874)
It's the Draconian remedy, too -- immediate eviction -- as opposed to "Knock off that kind of yelling, or you're going to have to leave."

The entire mix -- the enlistment by the privileged guy, the leaving of his security post to enforce something on behalf of one person, the punching down, the lack of due process, the draconian remedy, the general arbitrary, power hungry move by both Jones and security ... maybe a little dramatic license, but the whole thing still has the whiff of oligarchy and fascism. Definitely oligarchy -- it's textbook 1%-ism and the only reason it isn't seen that way is because the 1%er is a baseball player playing baseball.
   59. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 05, 2019 at 12:44 PM (#5828919)
LOL. Trolls gonna troll.
   60. Hysterical & Useless Posted: April 05, 2019 at 12:49 PM (#5828924)
one of our girls got shoved to the ground from behind, and the ref called the penalty on her rather than the one who shoved her.


"Hey, she jabbed that girl right in the hands with her back!"
   61. Lassus Posted: April 05, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5828928)
one of our girls got shoved to the ground from behind, and the ref called the penalty on her rather than the one who shoved her.

This is actually kind of funny, because in high school I was elbowed in ribs, so I pushed the kid, and they called the foul on me. Maybe the girl did that and got CAUGHT.
   62. DL from MN Posted: April 05, 2019 at 01:14 PM (#5828938)
I have a lot of respect for umpires so I generally don't make a big fuss. Not sure why anyone does. Has anyone ever won an argument with an umpire or referee by screaming at them? I always tried to teach my team that you choose your emotional reaction.

That said, if you're a youth sports official try not to show up obviously inebriated. That will get me to complain to the head official or the league.
   63. . Posted: April 05, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5828942)
LOL. Trolls gonna troll.


You mean fanboys gonna fanboy. Baseball players obviously get different treatment around here than the typical 1%er -- not even debatable.
   64. Lassus Posted: April 05, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5828954)
Yes, we never moralize about players we consider douchebags, like, ever. Here? NAH.
   65. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 05, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5828969)
You mean fanboys gonna fanboy. Baseball players obviously get different treatment around here than the typical 1%er -- not even debatable.

You know very few details of what actually happened but in your head you've turned Adam Jones into the next Mussolini, just so you can be contrarian and accuse people here of hypocrisy. Like I said, LOL.
   66. Baldrick Posted: April 05, 2019 at 02:17 PM (#5828975)
Stop. Talking. To. The. Troll.
   67. RoyalFlush Posted: April 05, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5828979)
Is there anything more privileged than yelling obscenities at someone* because you paid $15 for an outfield seat?

*Someone you would never treat like that in passing. And someone who can likely kick your ass if so inclined.
   68. BrianBrianson Posted: April 05, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5828984)
Indeed. You can yell obscenities at someone for free on the internet.
   69. Lassus Posted: April 05, 2019 at 03:06 PM (#5828988)
Stop. Talking. To. The. Troll.

I know, it's awful, it's hard to help it. Apologies.
   70. RJ in TO Posted: April 05, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5828991)
I know, it's awful, it's hard to help it. Apologies.


Just use the Ignore function. It's remarkably effective.
   71. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: April 05, 2019 at 03:27 PM (#5829016)
Indeed. You can yell obscenities at someone for free on the internet.


#### you!

Hey! What is this #### bull####? Oh come on!
   72. Lassus Posted: April 05, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5829023)
Just use the Ignore function. It's remarkably effective.

I am veteran enough to do so, and have, but I've had a good string of no ignoring I wanted to hold onto.
   73. . Posted: April 05, 2019 at 03:51 PM (#5829032)
Is there anything more privileged than yelling obscenities at someone* because you paid $15 for an outfield seat?


Yes -- a rich guy enlisting for himself private security whose job it is to help provide security for a bunch of people, and then demanding that private security immediately evict a paying customer from an event he paid for just because he said something that hurt the rich guy's feelings.
   74. RJ in TO Posted: April 05, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5829033)
I am veteran enough to do so, and have, but I've had a good string of no ignoring I wanted to hold onto.

No offense, but this is dumb. The function is there for a reason and, by not using it when appropriate, you're causing more aggravation to not only yourself, but to everyone else here.
   75. . Posted: April 05, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5829034)
You know very few details of what actually happened but in your head you've turned Adam Jones into the next Mussolini, just so you can be contrarian and accuse people here of hypocrisy. Like I said, LOL.


We know plenty of details, most of them right from Jones.

Jones didn't act alone.

One way not to get accused of hypocrisy is to not be a hypocrite. It's typically the easiest way, really.
   76. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: April 05, 2019 at 04:00 PM (#5829039)
To riff on The Hound ... #### The Id.

To riff on Dr. Seuss ... I'll ignore him here, I'll ignore him there, I'll ignore him everywhere ...

I think I'd rather have Joey B back ...
   77. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: April 05, 2019 at 04:05 PM (#5829042)
The entire mix -- the enlistment by the privileged guy, the leaving of his security post to enforce something on behalf of one person, the punching down, the lack of due process, the draconian remedy, the general arbitrary, power hungry move by both Jones and security ... maybe a little dramatic license, but the whole thing still has the whiff of oligarchy and fascism. Definitely oligarchy -- it's textbook 1%-ism and the only reason it isn't seen that way is because the 1%er is a baseball player playing baseball.


Maybe a little dramatic license? Tolkien did less inventing when he came up with Middle-Earth.
   78. Baldrick Posted: April 05, 2019 at 04:13 PM (#5829045)
Threads here become immediately unreadable as soon as the troll posts and you all start responding.

If you can't help but respond, use the ignore function. For the sake of everyone else here who would like to continue having actual conversations, I implore you.
   79. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 05, 2019 at 04:47 PM (#5829061)
. Posted: April 05, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5828874)
[ Ignored Comment ]
It's just that easy, guys. If you're the troll's echo, then you're a troll, too.
   80. Omineca Greg Posted: April 06, 2019 at 10:27 AM (#5829161)
An Apgar score you can't ignore
It tells you how your neonate's faring
Ecuador you can't ignore
If Latin American states you're comparing

Apariencia, Pulso, Gesticulación, Actividad, Respiración

A Commodore you can't ignore
Even if he turns out to be Lionel Ritchie
Your spouse's snore you can't ignore
Being up all night keeps you so tired and ######

Atmung, Puls, Grundtonus, Aussehen, Reflexe

A raging cold sore you can't ignore
Even though it's the simplex type one
Sir Thomas More you can't ignore
The great English thinker preceding John Donne

OH GOOD GOD! BREAK IT DOWN!

Busy old fool, unruly Sun,
Why dost thou thus,
Through windows, and through curtains, call on
us?
Must to thy motions lovers' seasons run?
Saucy pedantic wretch, go chide
Late schoolboys, and sour prentices,
Go tell court-huntsmen that the king will ride,
Call country ants to harvest offices,
Love, all alike, no season knows, nor clime,
Nor hours, days, months, which are the rags of
time.

Thy beams, so reverend and strong
Why shouldst thou think?
I could eclipse and cloud them with a wink,
But that I would not lose her sight so long:
If her eyes have not blinded thine,
Look, and tomorrow late, tell me
Whether both the'Indias of spice and mine
Be where thou leftst them, or lie here with me.
Ask for those kings whom thou saw'st yesterday,
And thou shalt hear: 'All here in one bed lay.'

She'is all states, and all princes I,
Nothing else is.
Princes do but play us; compar'd to this,
All honour's mimic, all wealth alchemy.
Thou, sun, art half as happy'as we,
In that the world's contracted thus;
Thine age asks ease, and since thy duties be
To warm the world, that's done in warming us.
Shine here to us, and thou art everywhere;
This bed thy centre is, these walls, thy sphere.

Turn Me On Dead Man!

A squeaky door you can't ignore
One day it will fall from its hinges
The esprit de corps you can't ignore
Unless the goal is to spend your whole life on the fringes

Apparence, Pouls, Grimace, Activité, Respiration

But there's one person that's so good to ignore
You won't endure even one ounce of compunction
There's a tool the site has you just can't ignore
Amusingly it's been given the name "Ignore Function"

Me: Ignore Function, what's your funky function?
Ignore Function: Adding to users' pleasure by exceptional expunction!

Me: Ignore Function, can I rely on your injunction?
IF: I am nothing if not flawless in ridding the site of overbearing self-serving unction!

Me: Ignore Function, can you you teach me about conjunctions?
IF: Out of the frying pan...And into the fire...
Me: He cut loose the sandbags...
IF: But the balloon wouldn't go any higher!
Me: Let's go up to the mountains...
IF: Or down to the sea!
Together: You should always say "Thank you"...Or at least say "Please."

阿普加! апгар! آ아프가! !آپگار! !אפגר

OH GOOD GOD! BREAK IT DOWN!

One, Two, Three, Four, can I have a little More?

Occupy your mind with good thoughts, or the enemy will fill them with bad ones

I said can I have a little More?!

The things we pray for, good Lord, give us grace to labour for.

I said...can I have a little More?!

It is part of the business of life to be affable and pleasing to those whom either nature, chance or circumstance has made our companions
.
One More Time!

Nor can they understand why a totally useless substance like gold should now, all over the world, be considered far more important than human beings, who gave it such value as it has, purely for their own convenience.

Five, Six...Seven, Eight, Nine, Ten...I LOVE YOU!

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