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Monday, November 02, 2020

Dizzy Dean, Don Drysdale, Joe Buck, Dan Shulman, Al Michaels up for Frick Award

Hall of Fame pitchers Dizzy Dean and Don Drysdale are candidates for the Hall’s Ford C. Frick Award for excellence in baseball broadcasting, along with Fox’s Joe Buck, ESPN’s Dan Shulman and NBC’s Al Michaels.

Dave Campbell, Ernesto Jerez and Buddy Blattner also are finalists, the Hall said Monday.

The winner will be announced on Dec. 9 and will be honored next July 24 ahead of the Hall of Fame inductions, along with 2020 Frick winner Ken Harrelson. The 2020 ceremonies were called off became of the coronavirus pandemic.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 02, 2020 at 05:10 PM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: November 02, 2020 at 05:41 PM (#5987075)
what's the betting line on Buddy Blattner?

in unrelated news - who is Buddy Blattner?
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: November 02, 2020 at 06:06 PM (#5987078)
Interesting that Shulman and Campbell are both up for it. Those two made for an outstanding pairing on ESPN radio broadcasts.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 02, 2020 at 06:07 PM (#5987079)
He was a broadcaster for the Cardinals, Angels, and the first broadcaster in Royals history. He did national telecasts for NBC, he was paired with Dizzy Dean, but grew tired of Dean's antics. Was once an infielder for the Cardinals, Giants, and Phillies and he is in the Table Tennis Hall of Fame for his play.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: November 02, 2020 at 06:09 PM (#5987080)
2020 Frick winner Ken Harrelson
Good joke.
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 02, 2020 at 07:09 PM (#5987084)
Dizzy Dean? I didn't know they gave this award to people who have been dead for almost 50 years.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: November 02, 2020 at 07:28 PM (#5987086)
huh

Blattner led the NL in HBP in 1946 (with only 6) and was 6th that year in SB (with 12).

you learn something new every day at BBTF....
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 02, 2020 at 08:43 PM (#5987093)
Burying the lede here:
Fox’s Joe Buck
Al Michaels to block is the only hope, no? Don’t see a real need to put players in multiple ‘wings’ of the Hall, especially Dizzy Dean. I recall his Game of the Week career with Pee Wee Reese from when I was a kid. Nothing special, certainly nothing to move him ahead of Phil Rizzuto on the list of yet to be recognized broadcasters.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 02, 2020 at 10:40 PM (#5987100)
Would be kinda neat if Buck got the NFL and MLB HOF honors in the same year.
   9. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: November 02, 2020 at 11:13 PM (#5987104)
Disconcur.
   10. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 03, 2020 at 12:20 AM (#5987110)
Al Michaels hasn't been a lead announcer on a baseball game in 25 years. Why is he suddenly on the ballot now?

And Shulman is my absolute favourite active play-by-play announcer for pretty much any sport.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: November 03, 2020 at 01:07 AM (#5987112)
Al Michaels hasn't been a lead announcer on a baseball game in 25 years. Why is he suddenly on the ballot now?


Still more recently than Dean and Drysdale.

It's truly a strange mix.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 03, 2020 at 01:29 AM (#5987114)
Al Michaels hasn't been a lead announcer on a baseball game in 25 years. Why is he suddenly on the ballot now?


Still more recently than Dean and Drysdale.

It's truly a strange mix.
See what letting Baines in hath wrought??
   13. Rally Posted: November 03, 2020 at 07:18 AM (#5987117)
It seems very weird to have people long since dead up for this award, but I don't know the history. Have they generally honored living broadcasters?
   14. Rally Posted: November 03, 2020 at 07:20 AM (#5987118)
Here are the award winners. If I have time I'll click through and see if they were alive when awarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_C._Frick_Award

That was quick, 2019 guy was Al Helfer, who died in 1975. And Graham McNamee, awarded in 2016, died in 1942.

So congratulations Dizzy! This could finally be your year.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: November 03, 2020 at 07:45 AM (#5987119)
So congratulations Dizzy! This could finally be your year.


I can understand honoring the dead guys who were just broadcasters as they did with Bill King in 2017. Honoring dead Hall of Famers such as Drysdale or Dean would be a little odd.
   16. asinwreck Posted: November 03, 2020 at 08:29 AM (#5987125)
Jerry Reinsdorf will wrap up his weird nostalgia tour by ensuring the occasionally-remembered Sox TV booth of Harrelson and Drysdale are inducted together.
   17. winnipegwhip Posted: November 03, 2020 at 09:04 AM (#5987128)
Where is Dr. Joyce Brothers?
   18. winnipegwhip Posted: November 03, 2020 at 09:07 AM (#5987129)
So congratulations Dizzy! This could finally be your year.


He always thunk he deserved it.

Wouldn't Cosell and Dean be the greatest broadcast booth pairing ever?
   19. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 03, 2020 at 09:46 AM (#5987132)
That was quick, 2019 guy was Al Helfer, who died in 1975. And Graham McNamee, awarded in 2016, died in 1942.

I don't remember those things either. Giving the Frick Award does not appear to confer fame like the actual Hall of Fame does. If it's given to someone no one has heard of in living memory, it gets ignored.
   20. Kiko Sakata Posted: November 03, 2020 at 02:12 PM (#5987151)
Al Michaels hasn't been a lead announcer on a baseball game in 25 years. Why is he suddenly on the ballot now?


Dizzy Dean? I didn't know they gave this award to people who have been dead for almost 50 years.


2020 Frick winner Ken Harrelson


It seems kind of obvious that this doesn't really work as an annual award for which previous winners are ineligible. A lot of baseball announcers have extremely long careers - like 20-30 years or more - and the ones who don't have long careers tend to have short careers for a reason. Put those together and you just get to the point where you run out of people to give the award to.

Dean's announcing career is before my time, but I assume the reason that he - and Drysdale and Rizzuto - never got it was because they were already Hall-of-Famers - Frank Robinson isn't getting elected to the Hall as a manager, either. I guess this means that the "Frick winners are not technically Hall-of-Famers" argument has won the day. But really, they just need to retire this award - or at least stop awarding it annually.



   21. Howie Menckel Posted: November 03, 2020 at 06:48 PM (#5987184)
some famous Dizzy Dean quotes - or more accurately, attributed to Dean:

"He (Bill Terry) once hit a ball between my legs so hard that my center-fielder caught it on the fly backing up against the wall."

"He slud into third."

"Heck, if anybody told me I was setting a record (strikeouts in a game on July 30, 1933) I'd of got me some more strikeouts."

"I ain't what I used to be, but who the hell is?"

"I can't tell you why there's a delay, but stick your head out of the window and you'll know why."

"If Satch (Paige) and I were pitching on the same team, we would clinch the pennant by July fourth and go fishing until World Series time."

"I know who's the best pitcher I ever see and it's old Satchel Paige, that big lanky colored boy. My fastball looks like a change of pace alongside that little pistol bullet ole Satchel (Paige) shoots up to the plate."

"I never keep a scorecard or the batting averages. I hate statistics. What I got to know, I keep in my head."

"It puzzles me how they know what corners are good for filling stations. Just how did they know gas and oil was under there?"
   22. winnipegwhip Posted: November 04, 2020 at 09:21 AM (#5987201)
Once a teacher lambasted Dizzy for being a bad influence on youngsters by using poor grammar on the radio.

"Don't you know the King's English?" she questioned Dizzy.

"Sure I do, ma'am," replied Diz. "I also know the Queen's English as well."
   23. Itchy Row Posted: November 04, 2020 at 11:36 AM (#5987210)
Jerry Reinsdorf will wrap up his weird nostalgia tour by ensuring the occasionally-remembered Sox TV booth of Harrelson and Drysdale are inducted together.
Harrelson-Drysdale and Harry Caray-Steve Stone are the first teams TV teams I remember from when I started watching baseball. Two of them have won the Frick and Drysdale has a chance now. A quick Google search shows Stone has been nominated at least twice, for the 2012 and 2013 awards.

I liked Hawk at the time, but I'd outgrown him by the time I was ten. Then he was GM for a year and announced for the Yankees for a couple of years and came back to the Sox as a really grating cartoon character who didn't leave for 30 years.
   24. Moeball Posted: November 05, 2020 at 12:49 PM (#5987384)
Buddy Blattner was an announcer for the Angels back in the 1960s with Don Wells.

Damn, I'm old that I remember listening to them call games.
   25. gehrig97 Posted: November 05, 2020 at 04:10 PM (#5987409)
Wait.

Joe Buck?
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: November 05, 2020 at 07:50 PM (#5987465)
Joe Buck?


regardless of popular opinion among hard core fans, the reality is he's been very successful and if he doesn't win this year, will absolutely win it someday.
   27. Sweatpants Posted: November 05, 2020 at 08:20 PM (#5987471)
I don't think that it's just a hardcore fan opinion, though. Not liking Joe Buck seems like it's been the mainstream opinion on him for a while now. His most memorable calls are probably the Tyree catch (famously unemotional) and Randy Moss's "disgusting act" (him getting emotional about something silly). I know that the rap on him used to be that he didn't like baseball, but his most memorable baseball calls are better than those, at least.
   28. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: November 10, 2020 at 07:02 PM (#5988181)
"What I got to know, I keep in my head."

Lord knows there's plenty of room in there, Diz!
   29. Jay Seaver Posted: November 10, 2020 at 09:55 PM (#5988213)
I don't think that it's just a hardcore fan opinion, though. Not liking Joe Buck seems like it's been the mainstream opinion on him for a while now.


I think that's turned of late. He had a health scare a few years back and has seemed to have a greater appreciation of his good fortune since, and it's occasionally come out as self-deprecating humor, like when he was commentating random stuff during the early months of the Covid slowdown He's nobody's favorite PBP guy, but he's put a lot of the things people didn't like behind him and he's got years to just keep adding on.

I also kind of think he's benefited from having a more compatible partner in John Smoltz in recent years. There are a ton of things I don't really like about Smoltz, but I think he and Buck sound more natural together than was ever the case with Buck and McCarver. I also kind of think having Rosenthal and Verducci available on the broadcast lets him focus a little more on what he does well.
   30. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: November 11, 2020 at 09:26 AM (#5988254)
He had a health scare a few years back and has seemed to have a greater appreciation of his good fortune since, and it's occasionally come out as self-deprecating humor

He did name his autobiography "Lucky Bastard", after all.

Also, he's just been awarded the "Pete Rozelle Radio-Television Award", given for "longtime exceptional contributions to radio and television in professional football". (Incredibly, Frank Gifford and Don Meredith have this award but Howard Cosell doesn't! Hell, you could make a good case that Cosell belongs in the actual Pro Football Hall of Fame!)

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