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Dodgers-Padres Is Poised to Become MLB’s Next Yankees–Red Sox Rivalry

The Dodgers and Padres were the two best teams in the shortened 2020 regular season, an impressive feat given that they had to play each other in 10 of their 60 games. In 52 seasons of the divisional era, there have been only seven times that the two best teams in the majors, as measured by Pythagorean record, came from the same division:

1980: Orioles and Yankees
1987: Blue Jays and Tigers
1993: Atlanta and Giants
2001: Mariners and Athletics
2007: Red Sox and Yankees
2010: Yankees and Rays
2020: Dodgers and Padres
That sort of dual dominance should carry over to 2021 and beyond. According to FanGraphs, the Dodgers and Padres are projected for the most and second-most wins, respectively, for any team in 2021. (The Yankees are slightly ahead of the Padres in the schedule-agnostic projections, but San Diego has an easier slate.)

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 22, 2021 at 06:25 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Mayor Blomberg Posted: March 22, 2021 at 08:06 PM (#6009643)
In a few decades, if it keeps up.
   2. Eric L Posted: March 22, 2021 at 08:50 PM (#6009647)
Padres fan here. Years ago I posited that the D-backs were a natural rival. There was bad blood at the time, half of Phoenix summers in San Diego, and the Dodgers have a rival in the Giants. I was hooted off the stage. San Diego’s fixation with LA is total.
   3. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 22, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6009649)
Let's see if the Dodgers and Padres can finish 1-2 in their division for eight straight years. That's what the Yankees and Red Sox did in the AL East between 1998 and 2005. The Dodgers-Padres current 1-2 streak is one.
   4. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 22, 2021 at 09:56 PM (#6009657)
Of course the real key is that each game must take at least 4:30 to finish. Only then, when east coast fans are heading off to bed around 3:30 am has greatness been achieved!
   5. Walt Davis Posted: March 22, 2021 at 10:33 PM (#6009660)
Grammar nazis ... Dodgers-Padres "is"? If the "rivalry" came before is (and then dropped later), I'm fine. There must be some rule about "implied" nouns and whether the explicit noun can come second.

Also do we really need "MLB" in there?
   6. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: March 22, 2021 at 11:13 PM (#6009661)
Grammar nazis ... Dodgers-Padres "is"?


"Is" is correct because of the hyphen. If the hyphen were replaced with a comma, then "are" would be correct.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: March 22, 2021 at 11:17 PM (#6009662)
half of Phoenix summers in San Diego

this is beyond hilarious for the large swath of us who just got dozens of feet of snow last month

"oh, it's too HOT - I'm MELTING!"

if we ever have to go into battle with invading aliens from another galaxy, I know from where I am choosing my warriors

;)
   8. Walt Davis Posted: March 23, 2021 at 12:09 AM (#6009668)
But Dodger-Padres is an adjective not a noun. It's the "implied at the end of the sentence" subject "rivalry" that "is."

"Dodgers-Padres rivalry is poised ... Yankees-Red Sox" seems fine to me.
   9. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: March 23, 2021 at 12:21 AM (#6009669)
Agreed, it's all better if "rivalry" is put at the beginning. Indeed, "Dodgers-Padres" is an adjective. And the hyphen makes it a modifier of a set that's implied (in this case, a set for a rivalry). It's like how we would say something like, "Packers-Broncos is a matchup for the ages." Or,

"Hey, I've got the MLB.tv subscription. Which game should we watch?"

"Reds-Marlins is what I want to see."
   10. Jobu is silent on the changeup Posted: March 23, 2021 at 07:09 AM (#6009676)
Only if west coast fans can somehow become the most off-putting, self-obsessed jackasses on the planet.
   11. Rally Posted: March 23, 2021 at 07:59 AM (#6009679)
Of course the real key is that each game must take at least 4:30 to finish. Only then, when east coast fans are heading off to bed around 3:30 am has greatness been achieved!


Some point at the height of the rivalry I remember them starting a game around 7, switching over to an Angels game at 10, and both games finished about the same time.
   12. . Posted: March 23, 2021 at 08:30 AM (#6009680)
Now with bat flips!!!
   13. Lassus Posted: March 23, 2021 at 09:23 AM (#6009681)
OK, Boomer.



Also, article, stop trying to make fetch happen.
   14. . Posted: March 23, 2021 at 09:47 AM (#6009683)
OK, Boomer.


Gen-X. The sane generation, caught between two delusional ones. Like many things in genetics and nature generally, delusion seemed to have skipped a generation. We rejected the Boomers' claptrap and the world got way better but, credit to them, they just never, ever, ever gave up (*) and now they've found a new generation of suckers. In one of those historical grotesqueries, though, the boomers ###### up the country so bad for millennials that it made millennials prime territory for the boomers to sell their delusions.

(*) In large measure because they retained effective control of the schools and universities and to some degree, the culture commentariat. The boomer perspective is certainly more romantic and poetic, which means that it obviously makes for better song lyrics, movies, plays, etc.(**) But that's art, not reality. Smart people know the difference.

(**) And now, Instagram feeds and especially tweets. Leftist boomerism/millennial was and always will be an inch deep intellectually, which is why they've always been so into their affirmatively pronouncing T-shirts and bumper stickers. In an absolute historical miracle for them, the internet found a way to force multiply and weaponize the t-shirt and the bumper sticker.
   15. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 23, 2021 at 10:11 AM (#6009686)
this is beyond hilarious for the large swath of us who just got dozens of feet of snow last month

As a NYer who sweats a lot, I am pretty sympathetic to people who think Phoenix (or Miami, etc.) is too hot over the summer. I remember going there for work once and it was like 90 degrees out at midnight. But I would just choose to live in San Diego year-round, no need to leave during the winter.

That being said, after visiting Southeast Asia a few summers ago, nothing in the US has really seemed that bad.
   16. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 23, 2021 at 11:39 AM (#6009697)

Only if west coast fans can somehow become the most off-putting, self-obsessed jackasses on the planet.


Well maybe once two other teams win 30% of all World Series Sox and Yankees fans can be knocked off their rightfully high perch.
   17. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: March 23, 2021 at 12:17 PM (#6009703)
Only if west coast fans can somehow become the most off-putting, self-obsessed jackasses on the planet.


They'll never get to the level of Yankees or Red Sox fans, but there is plenty of overlap between Lakers fans and Dodgers fans, so there's potential there. I just don't think you'll get to that level of commitment from Padres fans. There's too much to mellow you out in San Diego - great weather, great Mexican food, more great craft beer than you could ever drink. Not to say they're not passionate fans down there, but I don't think they'll ever get to be off-putting as a group.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 23, 2021 at 12:40 PM (#6009704)
San Diegans certainly have the capacity to be off-putting as a group - ever heard them complain about the weather?

“It’s so cold, it’s 67 degrees!”

“It’s so hot, it’s 73 degrees!”
   19. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: March 23, 2021 at 01:56 PM (#6009711)
San Diegans certainly have the capacity to be off-putting as a group - ever heard them complain about the weather?


As a Southern Californian myself, I can empathize with that one so it never bothered me.
   20. Astroenteritis Posted: March 23, 2021 at 02:11 PM (#6009713)
Wake me when 95% of their games are on national tv, then we can talk Yankees-Red Sox.
   21. jmurph Posted: March 23, 2021 at 02:21 PM (#6009714)
Yankees-Red Sox whining aside, it's difficult to dominate daily baseball media with the 10pm eastern start times.

But also who cares, if they go on a years long run of post-season runs then it will be it's own thing, which is fine.
   22. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 23, 2021 at 03:35 PM (#6009737)
Some point at the height of the rivalry I remember them starting a game around 7, switching over to an Angels game at 10, and both games finished about the same time.

If you're thinking of this date, the Angels game actually ended nearly half an hour earlier.

April 10, 2015

Yankees - Red Sox began 7:08 EDT, ended 1:57 AM EDT

Angels - Royals began 7:12 EDT, ended 1:28 AM EDT
   23. Itchy Row Posted: March 23, 2021 at 06:11 PM (#6009773)
"Reds-Marlins is what I want to see."
No one has ever said those words.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: March 23, 2021 at 06:29 PM (#6009775)
If you're thinking of this date, the Angels game actually ended nearly half an hour earlier.


I don't think that's what he's thinking of, since presumably he was talking about switching over to the start of the Angels game at 10.
   25. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: March 24, 2021 at 11:39 AM (#6009851)
Never mind what happens on the diamond or in the papers, in order for a rivalry to be legendary, a visiting club's fans need to show up at the home team park in sizable numbers once in a while. How many Padres fans do we expect will show up to Dodger Stadium post-pandemic?
   26. bfan Posted: March 24, 2021 at 12:17 PM (#6009859)
San Diegans certainly have the capacity to be off-putting as a group - ever heard them complain about the weather?


How can anyone in San Diego complain about the weather? It is perfect there.

It would seem that every argument between a Dodgers and Padres fan could be ended immediately with the line "Yes, but I live in San Diego."

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