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Thursday, December 24, 2020

Dodgers, Kahnle agree to $4.75M, 2-year deal

The Los Angeles Dodgers and right-handed reliever Tommy Kahnle have agreed to a $4.75 million, two-year deal, according to a person familiar with the contract.

The person spoke to The Associated Press on Wednesday on condition of anonymity because no announcement had been made. The Athletic and other outlets also reported the agreement.

Kahnle can earn up to $500,000 in performance bonuses.

Kahnle threw just one inning for the New York Yankees in 2020 before having season-ending Tommy John surgery in August, and the 31-year-old is unlikely to pitch next season.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 24, 2020 at 09:49 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: December 24, 2020 at 05:40 PM (#5995884)
having season-ending Tommy John surgery in August, and the 31-year-old is unlikely to pitch next season.

Making this a pretty weird deal. It's fine to sign a "rehab" deal like this when the upside is high but that doesn't look to be the case here. It amounts to a 1/$5 deal for a pitcher coming off an injury without even being able to give him a physical before signing him. (i.e. in Jan 2022)

Now for a while Kahnle was excellent -- 2016-17. But in 2018 he threw only 23 lousy innings; in 2019 he threw a full season but pretty standard "key reliever" results of a 123 ERA+. If he'd been FA coming off that 2019 season, maybe he'd have gotten $8-9 M AAV as an elite set-up guy ... or maybe the shortened 2018 and solid but unspectacular 2019 would have put him a tier down at $5 AAV. But following a useless 2020 and missing (nearly?) all of 2021, why pay him like Steve Cishek 2020? By the time he takes the field for the Dodgers, he'll have thrown just 85 innings of 101 ERA+ over the previous 4 years. Who pays actual money for that?
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 24, 2020 at 11:29 PM (#5995910)
Who pays actual money for that?

Teams who are overly in love with random metrics instead of actual results.
   3. Ron J Posted: December 25, 2020 at 12:56 AM (#5995919)
#2 When's the last "metric" signing by the Dodgers? I sure can't think of one.

That said, it's sure an odd one. I guess I sort of see it. As Walt says it's really a 1/5 deal and those guys don't tend to have a serious upside. Yeah it's odds against (maybe seriously odds against -- I see him pretty much as Walt does) but 1/5 is (nearly) ashtray money.
   4. Walt Davis Posted: December 25, 2020 at 02:18 AM (#5995921)
And what would a random metric tell you about a guy who barely threw a single pitch in 2020 and will be undergoing TJS and won't throw a pitch in 2021. There is no such metric, random or otherwise. "Random metric" might go for that minor-league FA signed for a few mill (was that the Mets?) but I'm pretty sure even Tommy LaSorda can figure out that a guy's velocity or spin rate or break angle or whatever from 2019 doesn't tell you squat about 2022 with TJS in between.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 25, 2020 at 02:05 PM (#5995942)
The Dodgers have money to burn and can afford to overpay a bit hoping for long term results.
   6. puck Posted: December 25, 2020 at 02:20 PM (#5995944)
And what would a random metric tell you about a guy who barely threw a single pitch in 2020 and will be undergoing TJS and won't throw a pitch in 2021. There is no such metric, random or otherwise


It's all about Kahnle's makeup. Though wasn't he the guy Latroy Hawkins said was a bad teammate? The mystery deepens.
   7. Buck Coats Posted: December 25, 2020 at 06:44 PM (#5995983)
Teams who are overly in love with random metrics instead of actual results


yeah, when are the Dodgers gonna start showing any results??
   8. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 25, 2020 at 09:10 PM (#5995997)
#2 When's the last "metric" signing by the Dodgers? I sure can't think of one.


They sign junky reclamation project type guys with guaranteed money every year. Last year it was Alex Wood and Jimmy Nelson. Nelson got $1.25m and never threw a pitch for the Dodgers.
   9. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 26, 2020 at 06:11 PM (#5996060)
Teams who are overly in love with random metrics instead of actual results.


The Dodgers are the best team in the league pretty much every year, so maybe other people ought to start trying to lure those metrics away with chocolates and flowers?
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 26, 2020 at 06:17 PM (#5996063)
The Dodgers are the best team in the league pretty much every year, so maybe other people ought to start trying to lure those metrics away with chocolates and flowers?

Even if it works, it still makes for a shitty entertainment product. The more people not on the field dictate success, the less I care about the sport.

I mean the Rays are smart and successful, I'll acknowledge it, but I'd wish they'd just go away. They bore me to tears.
   11. McCoy Posted: December 26, 2020 at 10:03 PM (#5996083)
Didn't the Cubs sign Roy Oswalt to something like this?

Doesn't appear to be Oswalt but I recall the Cubs signing a former AS to a injury contract and he never played for them.
   12. Ron J Posted: December 26, 2020 at 10:27 PM (#5996086)
#10 Snapper that strikes me as both stupid and petty. Name a move that the Dodgers have made that makes you like the game less.

And why.
   13. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: December 26, 2020 at 11:40 PM (#5996092)
Doesn't appear to be Oswalt but I recall the Cubs signing a former AS to a injury contract and he never played for them.


Not the Cubs, of course, but five teams took a chance on Mark Prior after his time in Chicago. Not all of these comeback attempts can be as fun as the 2020 Daniel Bard story—maybe my favorite story of this past season—but teams are willing to pay a little in hopes of success, and I can understand why any player would take an opportunity if it's available.
   14. Ron J Posted: December 26, 2020 at 11:47 PM (#5996093)
#8 Sure. They buy lottery tickets. No serious money. Small chance of upside.
   15. McCoy Posted: December 27, 2020 at 08:35 AM (#5996099)
It was the other Astro I was thinking of. Wade Miller.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 27, 2020 at 11:33 AM (#5996104)
#10 Snapper that strikes me as both stupid and petty. Name a move that the Dodgers have made that makes you like the game less.

And why.


Moving Kenta Maeda to the pen every year to avoid paying his GS incentives. Using the 10 man DL as a practice squad, while lying about pitchers being hurt. There's two. I think the why is self-explanatory.
   17. McCoy Posted: December 27, 2020 at 01:05 PM (#5996113)
Doesn't look to me like Maeda would have but his bonuses and if he could have that is what the union and grievances are for.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: December 28, 2020 at 08:40 AM (#5996196)
Do the Dodgers gain any luxury tax benefit to having 1 year of a pitcher spread over 2 years of payroll?
   19. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 28, 2020 at 10:24 AM (#5996206)
[18] Yes. It means he counts as $2.875m for both years, rather than what the actual split is. So if they already felt safe about not exceeding the cap in 2021, then this is good because it helps for 2022.
   20. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 29, 2020 at 11:21 PM (#5996528)
Even if it works, it still makes for a shitty entertainment product. The more people not on the field dictate success, the less I care about the sport.

I mean the Rays are smart and successful, I'll acknowledge it, but I'd wish they'd just go away. They bore me to tears.


I suppose I should have expected it, given the degree to which humanity is just a merry-go-round tacked onto a rollercoaster. But the level of get-off-my-lawnism in this comment, delivered unironically and without apparent self-awareness of any kind, is just astonishing to me.

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