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that's not really making the intended point.
Easiest question I've answered in a long time.
Dear Mr. Hall President, There are too many closers in the Hall. Please eliminate three.
P.S. I am not a crackpot.
That is, needless to say on this forum, not very accurate. Wilhelm pitched a huge number of relief innings, but among his contemporaries, Roy Face, Stu Miller, Lindy McDaniel, and quite a few others also did. Wilhelm still holds the record for career relief IP (1872), but McDaniel is second (1695), so that's not outlying by very much.
And of course there was an earlier generation of guys in the 1920s and '30s who specialized or at least made their biggest impression as relievers: Firpo Marberry, Jack Russell, and others who were better known as starters but also relieved as a major role during their careers (Eddie Rommel, Waite Hoyt, Bill Sherdel). Later on, Johnny Murphy; and Joe Page was a big star for a while, and Jim Konstanty had been an MVP two years before Wilhelm was in the majors.
The writer knows this, I'm sure, and has probably condensed the presentation mightily to get it into a very brief article. But anyway, it wasn't like Hoyt Wilhelm appeared and everybody said "OMG a relief pitcher."
So no, closers aren't as valuable as starters or even close. The best closers are like a #2 or #3 starter and I don't rank those as HOF worthy. For every exception (Rivera) there are hundreds of guys who aren't remotely close. No more than 1 or 2 per 10 year period should get in for closers. Wilhelm pre 70's, Fingers & Gossage for the 70's, Eckersley for the 90's, Rivera for the 00's to now. Hoffman, Sutter, and Smith are all very weak HOF'ers imo. Smith had the save record for a long time so I can see a case, Hoffman cracked 500 & 600 saves just before Rivera did so he also has that weak case. Craig Kimbrel is the current leader with 394 but I don't see him as a HOF'er. I think the jumping around of teams that most closers do is a sign of how little value they have to most clubs - you don't lock a closer up for life unless he is Rivera.
OK, this may be a step too far. Used to be you could pop open, say, a year's AL summary, click on MLB and get a full MLB summary. Then if you wanted to look at, say, 1932, you just replaced 2022 with 1932 in the web address. Now the 1932 ML summary page also includes the NeL and there's now no easy way to get combined NL/AL stats for those years. Oh well.
Not because relievers are particularly valuable (we all know they are not, as compared to starters), but because the HoF (and by that I mean the actual institution in Cooperstown, New York, that needs visitors to go and buy tickets to visit the facilities) needs inductees to keep the gravy train going.
It is true they aren't paid that much but of course $15-20 M for 60 innings is a very nice rate of pay.
Gossage is kinda over-rated. His 1975, 77 and 78 are amazing but otherwise there's not a huge amount there relative to others. From 33-42, he was pretty ordinary. Take out his starter season and it's 1100 innings, 2.64 ERA, 231 saves, about a 150 ERA+. That's a little better than Sutter (1042 IP, 136 ERA+, 300 saves), Smith (1300 IP, 132 ERA+, 478 saves) and Hoffman (1100 IP, 141 ERA+ 600 saves). Fingers too threw a lot more IP/year than Smith and Hoffman particularly but his career edge is mainly due to some pretty mediocre seasons.
Wilhelm, Rivera ... I'd probably have been OK with Kimbrel if he'd kept it up a bit longer. No need for more than that.
EDIT: I'll agree Gossage should probably be #3 on the all-time reliever/fireman/closer list.
HOW DO YOU CLOSE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT OPEN, MR PRESIDENT?
A fun player back then - like most of his era he is a grumpy old man last I heard, complaining about the kids today who throw 1 inning and are done.
Good.
I'd agree, except that i "failed starter" Mariano Rivera was more than half-a-run better (2.35 including the relief stints in his first 2 years in the minors).
To be fair to Sutter here, 8 of the 10 blown saves involved outings longer than 1 inning, with 6 being 2 IP or more (and one being 5 innings long). 2-3 inning saves are easier to blow than the shorter variety. (Still not an ideal Cy Young choice compared to Phil Niekro or JR Richard, take your pick.)
A lot of modern closers and relief aces could probably have Wainwrighted it, but never got the opportunity.
When I moved upstate I parlayed my work at MLBAM into a decent set of interviews at the HOF for a position (I of course failed to get). The point is, however, I think calling it a “gravy train” is somewhat hilarious. It’s not exactly Wolf of Wall Street or Cravath or Halliburton salary range.
Mariano had a 5.94 ERA over 10 major league starts. Wagner never started in the majors.
22, I'm pretty sure that the mucky mucks at the HoF are very well compensated. They don't need to be billionaires.
2019 salaries.
Key Employees and Officers Compensation
Jeffrey J Jones (Sr VP Finance & Administration) $228,283
Sean Gahagan (VP Retail Marketing & Lic.) $195,976
JEFFREY L IDELSON (President Ret. June 2019) $194,527
TIM MEAD (President Effective June 2019) $187,505
KENNETH MEIFERT (VP Sponsorship & Development) $115,353
Evan Chase (Security Director) $112,312
James L Gates (Librarian) $108,956
JONATHAN SHESTAKOFSKY (VP COMMUNICATIONS & ED.) $101,903
ERIK STROHL (VP EXHIBITIONS AND COLLECTIONS) $100,997
Jane Forbes Clark (Chairman/Director) $0
JOE L MORGAN (VICE CHAIRMAN/DIRECTOR) $0
KEVIN S MOORE (Treasurer/Director) $0
PAUL BEESTON (DIRECTOR) $0
WILLIAM O DEWITT JR (DIRECTOR) $0
WILLIAM L GLADSTONE (DIRECTOR) $0
DAVID D GLASS (DIRECTOR) $0
Robert Manfred Jr (Director, EX OFFICIO) $0
Arte Moreno (Director) $0
PHIL NIEKRO (DIRECTOR) $0
JERRY REINSDORF (DIRECTOR) $0
BROOKS C ROBINSON JR (DIRECTOR) $0
FRANK ROBINSON Thru F (DIRECTOR) $0
Dr Harvey W Schiller (DIRECTOR) $0
OZZIE SMITH (DIRECTOR) $0
Edward W Stack (DIRECTOR) $0
See filing for 4 more →
All those execs made like 1.3 million combined and then almost 300k in other forms of compensation
Most of the pay for the VPs seem kind of low for veeps but I’m sure it’s pretty good for upstate NY. Then again you have to live in upstate NY to get it.
And they were inconsistent. (Kind of like relievers nowadays.) Joe Heving, who until Wilhelm held the record for IP in relief, went 5-1 with an ERA of 1.68 in 80 relief innings in 1933 – and then 1-5 with an ERA of 6.91 in 82 relief innings in 1934. Heving's annual ERA+ numbers are a roller-coaster, lurching between 65 and 173 without warning.
baxter brought up Lefty Grove, which is another interesting dynamic. We've mentioned this before, but no starter between 1917 and Denny McLain won 30 starts in a season. Not Grove not Bagby or Coombs, not Dizzy Dean – even Walter Johnson never won 30 starts in a season. The staff ace was often ace reliever. Which of course means that relief pitchers were not much of a role, but relief pitching certainly was. But that gets folded into the HOF cases of pitchers like Johnson or Grove, not that they need it.
And even early in the 20th century, you see experiments the Senators had a couple of guys in the 1910s, Doc Ayers and Bert Gallia, who threw a lot of relief innings in numerous appearances. They were also semi-regular starters, so not specialists; but they seem to have been thought of as go-to "bullpen" guys. Gallia was good briefly, Ayers very good for a while longer.
Don't discount the latter.
This explains it. Harold Baines got in so that Tim Mead can have a 3-car garage at his pretty house in Middlefield.
I see, so he was so successful as a starter they decided to make him a reliever. Makes sense.
It certainly looka like the Astros intended from the beginning to make Wagner a reliever
Yes, no one wanted to pay extra salary to extra players, nor did the other owners want their partners to set the precedent. That said, there were philosophical reasons (like finishing what one started) and other inertia. As-of-right in game substitutes were banned and then first made permanently legal in 1891. Some players had to be able play multiple positions.
This continued well into the early 1900s. No player wanted to be a major league bench player, for reasons of pride, regular playing time, maintaining game ability, and salary. Pitchers were required to face one batter starting only in 1909, which meant that relief pitchers had to warm up in anticipation of being brought in, rather than have the manager insert a "reliever" to buy time by throwing warm up pitches on the mound.
Wow, a whole 10 games. Who can't predict from 10 games in first season. It's not like he didn't develop a pitch or anything, or go in the DL that year with a sore shouldder.
But sure, stick to your silly narrative.
(Of course, after 5 failed starts over 2 years Curt Schilling was demoted to bullpen for two years, second of which he pitched to a 3.81 ERA. Total Loser!)
Johnny Murphy was really the first effective relief specialist, and not until the 1930s, and only for the Yankees who had a forward thinking manager and the budget to spend.
For combined seasons, up to 1940, At least 60% games in relief, At least 40 Games, At least 40 Games, in the regular season, requiring Adjusted OPS+ <= 100, sorted by descending Games Finished. [ETA: min 100 GF]
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Generated 12/30/2022.
Limiting this filter to only 60% games in relief is really low.
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Generated 12/30/2022.
I don't have a narrative, jerk. Just pointing out that the "failed starter" comparison between Mariano and Wagner doesn't make sense. Now go back under your rock.
Scott Rolen
Dick Allen
Graig Nettles
Buddy Bell
Sal Bando
Darrell Evans
Santo took forever to get in.
You could argue for second basemen of a certain era, as well: Grich, Whitaker, Randolph
At catcher, SS, and to some extent CF, great defense has been rewarded. At other positions, such as 1B and the corner outfielders, great offense has been rewarded. But 3B and 2B are more of a hybrid of expectations, and has made it more difficult for voters to reach consensus on what a Hall of Fame 3B or 2B is.
So by the early 1930s, for sure, roles on a staff were evolving, even if a pitcher's overall career identity was still far from being "starter" or "reliever."
Take the 1933 Giants, picked kind of at random. Carl Hubbell was the ace starter and the ace reliever: the "stopper," I don't know if that term was current then but it was at some point. Hubbell had 33 starts (20-11, 1.77) and 12 relief appearances, evidently high-leverage because he finished 11 games and went 3-1 (0.78 ERA) with five "saves."
Meanwhile on that staff, Hal Schumacher, Freddie Fitzsimmons, and Roy Parmalee made 103 starts and had three relief appearances among them. But Herman Bell had 31 relief appearances, 7 starts, and Dolf Luque 35 games, all in relief. Something was moving towards guys "knowing their roles," at least on certain teams in certain years.
That said, 3B is underrepresented in the HOF because there were virtually no great 3B for the first half of baseball history. According to JAWS, none of the top dozen and only 1 of the top 20 3B played before 1950 (Baker at #13). In the 2nd half of MLB history, 3B are represented at a comparable rate to other positions: Mathews, Robinson, Santo, Schmidt, Brett, Boggs, Molitor (if you consider him a 3B), Edgar (ditto), Chipper, Rolen looks likely to get in this year, Beltre will get in next year, ARod would already be in if it wasn't for...well, you know. Machado and Arenado and maybe Jose Ramirez are good bets for the future. Do we really need to make up for the dearth of great 3B in the 1st half of the 20th century by inducting twice as many from the 2nd half?
Most the guys listed in #42 are "cuz WAR says so" candidates anyway that would elicit a general "WTF?!" response from non SABR oriented fans if they were selected. Be honest...did ANYONE here think Bell, Evan's, Bando, and maybe even Nettles were HOFers at the time of their retirement?
1893-99: 10
1900-09: 10
1910-19: 13
1920-29: 13
1930-39: 13
1940-49: 15
1950-59: 16
1960-69: 16
1970-79: 16
1980-89: 16
1990-99: 20
2000-09: 23
2010-19: 26
2021-22: 33
The 25-man roster seems to date from 1910, so that was likely a factor in ratcheting upward from 10 to 13 pitchers used (before that, roster limits varied from roughly 13 to 18). I don't know why the number edged up again in the 1940s: the uncertainties of wartime rosters, maybe; but then it stayed where it was for a very long time till growing uncontrollably of late :)
In any case, I imagine teams could have used a lot more pitchers at any point, but there was long perceived to be more value in carrying extra position players, and that limited pitching specialization. (No great original point here, just some basics.)
That is because 3B and 2B swapped positions on the defensive spectrum in the middle of the 20th century.
Cheaters!
Doc Crandall was the swing man who would start or come in to finish someone else's game the most.
Firpo Marberry has nearly 31. But its a good pt. McDaniel has 25 more saves than Marberry and 600 less innings. I was gonna make an argument that perhaps we should give these early relievers more credit if they were put in more highly leveraged situations but I think thats a huge assumption.
totally unwarranted attack there. You're acting like this is some sort of trumping pt:
developing a sore shoulder seems like it could certainly work to Adams pt. So its not like you're even presenting much of a counter argument.
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In contrast, relievers seem to get the opposite treatment. Their innings are given more weight when calculating WAR because they occur in higher leverage situations. Even with this adjustment, their numbers do not come close other Hall of Famers, but they are still given serious consideration and somewhat regularly inducted. So we see Blyleven lingering on the ballot for years and several other starters with 60+ WAR not meriting inclusion, while Hoffman and Smith get in with less than 60 WAR combined.
Relieving is just not that hard, compared to starting. And it’s not that valuable. But we insist on having these players in the Hall. I don’t get it. (And yes, there are obvious exceptions, including Papi and Mariano.)
Another data point--MLB teams do not seem to think closers are very valuable either. In any given year, the top contracts handed out to starters are twice the AAV of those handed out to relievers, and they are usually for more years. From 2020 to present (as far as the FG free agent trackers go) you have:
Top starters
Cole 9/324, 36 AAV
Strasburg 7/245, 36 AAV
DeGrom 5/185, 37 AAV
Scherzer 3/130, 43 AAV
Verlander 2/86, 43 AAV
Top relievers
Diaz 5/102, 21 AAV
Hendricks 3/54, 18 AAV
Iglesias 4/58, 15 AAV
Jansen 2/32, 16 AAV
Cole and Diaz are interesting comps. Both entering age 29, coming off excellent seasons. Cole got 3 times the total money and nearly twice the AAV. Hendricks and Strasburg match up as well: early 30s, among the top few at their position, Strasburg with more injury history–Strasburg gets 5 times the total money, double the AAV.
Meanwhile here are some starter comps for the contracts received by those top relievers:
Ray, 5/115, 23 AAV
Keuchel 3/55, 18 AAV
Gray 4/56, 14 AAV
Eovaldi 2/34, 17 AAV
These are #2-3 starters, most with some serious question marks. Teams value them as highly as the best closers available. However you slice it, the story is the same. Teams put a far higher value on top starters than they do on top relievers. And this is happening at a time when starters are throwing fewer innings than ever.
15 hitters and 10 pitchers, which was still common into the 1970s (25 at a time, that is).
Waite Hoyt 22-7
Wilcy Moore 19-7 (mostly in relief)
Herb Pennock 19-8
Urban Shocker 18-6
Dutch Ruether 13-6
George Pipgras 10-3
Myles Thomas 7-4 (mostly in relief)
Bob Shawkey 2-3 (mostly in relief, the final MLB season at age 36 for the 195-game winner)
Joe Giard 0-0 (27 relief innings)
Walter Beall 0-0 (1 inning on May 30)
Shawkey's first two games were starts in mid-April, but he never started another game after that.
Giard did not pitch in April, but mopped up 2 to 4 times in each other month. he didn't pitch in the minors in 1927.
but Beall tossed 107 minor league innings, so not sure who - if anyone - served as the "phantom 25th."
Batter-Fielder Starts
C - Pat Collins 74, Johnny Grabowski 56, Benny Bengough 25 (Bill Dickey arrived the following year)
1B - Lou Gehrig 155
2B - Tony Lazzeri 109, Ray Morehart 46
3B - Joe Dugan 109, Mike Gazzella 31, Lazzeri 8, Julie Vera 7
SS - Mark Koenig 120, Lazzeri 35 (152 total starts)
LF - Bob Meusel 82, Babe Ruth 56, Cedric Durst 9, Ben Paschal 8
CF - Earle Combs 151, Durst 2, Paschal 2
RF - Ruth 94 (150 total starts), Meusel 48 (130 total starts), Durst 10 (21 total starts), Paschal 3 (13 total starts)
all of the hitters appeared in at least 31 games, so the only total "cup of coffee" was Beall
Morehart, Gazzella, Paschal, and Vera did not play in the WS, but Durst got 1 AB
Hoyt, Moore, Pennock, and Pipgras did all the pitching in the WS, so only 15 of the 25 players got on the field for the WS
Beall - who was elsewhere in the second half of the season - is the only P above not listed on bb-ref re the WS
Not quite following
Another chart in favor of Lindy McDaniel in the Hall. WAR is obviously an imperfect metric but he's second to Wilhelm [...] I was gonna make an argument that perhaps we should give these early relievers more credit if they were put in more highly leveraged situations but I think thats a huge assumption.
The chart attempts to quantify each player's number of high leverage appearances, with McDaniel and Wilhelm in bold to call out where they are among modern high-leverage relievers, as pioneers.
I was pretty close on Nettles but he was a longtime fave of mine (until he was on the 84 Padres) so I was biased. I had Bell and Evans in my "most under-rated" group in real time but no way did I think they might be HoFers. But I was surprised to see that Bando's defense was so highly rated, that certainly wasn't my impression but I wouldn't have seen the A's (or Rangers or Twins/Yanks) very often. Also even as a big Cub and Reuschel fan, I still don't think he's HoF-worthy no matter what WAR or the HoM (sorta) think.
As to Dick Allen ... can we please, please, please stop pretending that he was a 3B and that him having played some 3B tells us anything about how the HoF treats 3B? He had just 646 starts at 3B, barely 4 full seasons. He had nearly 1100 starts at other positions including nearly 800 at 1B so it's not even his plurality position. And he was horrible there (and the other positions he played as well). Dick Allen was a lousy 1B who played 3B early in his career (pretty common in those days). Might as well claim Biggio as the only C with 3000 hits. (Yes, I know it's not quite that absurd.) Dick Allen is not in the HoF because he had a very short career, the writers disliked him and he walked out on his team.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Thus endeth the lesson.
If you isolate his high-save-count years (1998-2007, out 2003 for TJS), his stats are not as laughable as implied, are they?
eta: A couple of times the point about closer salaries has been mentioned (took you guys long enough :-). Wickman's career earnings per BBREF exceed $42 million.
Actually I think you would find most teams rotate players through the DH spot to give everyday players a rest from time to time. Also, Edgar was elected to the HOF.
Still stings, eh Walt?
It stings everyone with a soul.
#crossthread
Yes, Bob Wickman was about as ordinary a ML pitcher as you will ever find -- not bad but there are surely about 30 guys just as good in baseball right now (and maybe 100 who are clearly better).
Emmanuel Clase
June 15 2022: 9b --- 0 outs a2 ... aLI = 2.78
June 16 2022: 9b --- 0 outs a2 ... aLI = 3.90 (Same opponent in the same park)
Then later (unrelated to the first two just curious)
July 31 2022: 9b --- 0 outs a2 ... aLI = 1.09
Sept 7 2022: 9b --- 0 outs a1 ... aLI = 5.55
Sept 9 2022: 9b --- 0 outs a1 ... aLI = 2.52 (diff opponent, park)
So the "leverage" of what would seem to be highly similar if not identical situations can vary by at least 3. My best guess based on these games is that, for no good reason whatsoever (at least I require a shitload of evidence it matters this much), leverage varies dramatically based on how many total runs have been scored. The Sept 7 game was a 2-1 Cle lead; the Sept 9 game was a 7-6 lead. June 15 was 7-5; June 16 was 4-2; but then July 31 was 5-3 (I really don't get one, almost seems like it has to be a data error somehow).
But surely the "scoring context" of a leverage calculation is not based on that game right? Sure, a lot of runs on a given day might tell you something about that particular day but not to the point of doubling or tripling the leverage.
Agreed. I really just found it interesting how rare those 1950s-1960s relievers were on the high leverage list, compared to the later time where reliever usage became so commonplace.
Those are average LIs across all of the batters Clase faced in each of those games. If Clase puts two batters on, that game will likely have a higher aLI than a game where he allowed only one base runner.
Did you mean to compare gmLI (game-entering leverage index) instead? You can see that in the game logs at Fangraphs and they should be equal across identical game-entering situations:
Clase game log at Fangraphs
LOL! Hey, at least you have another flag from 2016. We have none.
Bob Wickman was one of the players pictured on B-R this evening. Bob Wickman was also a failed starter.
Going by WPA he had a positive WPA in 772 games, negative in 244 games, and 0 in 103 games.
To get the toughest comparison lets go with Rivera ... we get ...
WPA he had a positive WPA in 921 games, negative in 135 games, and 0 in 49 games.
Leverage increased 39 times, decreased 74, neutral (IE: finished the game) 952 times.
Just using FanGraphs game logs - love that you can copy paste them into Excel and find this stuff out quickly for free.
This shows Franco wasn't in Rivera's league - I doubt many are. Would be interesting to run this for others but not up to that right now.
DHs are considered fat, old guys who don't even belong on the field...but closers are magicians, who come and save the day, a la Mighty Mouse.
Jack Aker (never heard of him) set the new record at 32 the next year. He made nearly 500 appearances, all in relief -- was he the first? Another guy who was probably discussed above but deserves mention anyway is Ron Perranoski. Granted, he's arguably a poor man's McDaniel (about half the innings) but he made only 1 start, early in his rookie year, so was clearly targeted for relief the whole time. He missed tying Aker in 69 then lost out by 1 to Wayne Granger's new record of 35. That 1970 season was something of a classic fireman season with 67 g, 52 GF, 111 IP and 34 saves.
And I'm starting to think that K-Rod's 62 may never be broken.
Then there's Marshall of course. Even he couldn't keep it up but I wonder what teams would pay these days for 208 innings of 141 ERA+. Probably not nearly as much as I think because the two extra roster spots aren't worth all that much really but still probably at least $25.
Eric Gagne IP
2002: 82.1
2003: 82.1
2004: 82.1
I'm sure this has been mentioned 100 times here, especially when he went to Boston, but I just never saw it before. It's nowhere in my memory.
He pitched in same number of games in 02 and 03 too by the way, 77. But in 04 he only pitched in 70 games. His IP per G actually went UP in the 3rd seasons of that incredible run.
2002: 82.1
2003: 82.1
2004: 82.1
That brings to mind Vinny Castilla's back-to-back .304/40/113 seasons.
Homeruns:
Ken Boyer
1961 - 24
1962 - 24
1963 - 24
1964 - 24
Fred Lynn (preceded by a 21 and a 22 and followed by a 25)
1984 - 23
1985 - 23
1986 - 23
1987 - 23
Adam Dunn (streak ended with 2 straight 38 homer seasons)
2005 - 40
2006 - 40
2007 - 40
2008 - 40
2008 - .118/.182/.118
2009 - .118/.182/.118
2010 - .118/.135/.118
2015 - .247
2016 - .247
2017 - .247
2018 - .247
And he hit .244 in 2014.
That's quite a feat. Was he holding Davis by the legs?
Talk about a collapse in walk rate. What the heck was going on with him?
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