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Tuesday, February 26, 2019

Dombrowski: Red Sox don’t plan to sign any more relievers

As they have a number of times earlier this winter and now into spring training, the Red Sox have again closed the door on the return of former closer Craig Kimbrel. President of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski told reporters in Bradenton, Fla., on Monday that the team doesn’t plan on signing any more relievers.

“As far as signings are concerned I would say we’re through at this point,” Dombrowski told reporters, including WEEI’s Rob Bradford, before the Sox’ Grapefruit League game against the Pirates. “That doesn’t mean that won’t be a priority just because of how we shape up. It’s something to kind of follow in spring training as you follow other things, I can’t rule that out. We don’t have anything going outside the organization. We stay in contact with people and see if there is anything that becomes a situation that makes sense.”

Dombrowski didn’t mention Kimbrel by name, but when asked specifically about relievers, he said he didn’t expect any additions to the roster.

That’s what they say, and then the parade of relievers develops during the season anyway….

 

QLE Posted: February 26, 2019 at 05:41 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dave dombrowski, red sox, relievers

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   1. Scott Ross Posted: February 26, 2019 at 07:53 AM (#5818195)
Doesn't Dombrowski have a long history of overlooking his bullpens? Hasn't his tenure with the Sox has been unusual in his willingness trade for relievers? I don't blame him for not giving Kimbrel $100/6 -- that's an absurd demand, especially for a guy on the wrong side of 30 coming off a down year that ended with him on his a$$ while Sale closed out the World Series. Is it possible that DD has decided he can comfortably stay in contention into July and then trade for the bullpen arms he needs to get over the hump? Seven of the top 22 guys in saves last year got traded mid-season.
   2. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:02 AM (#5818212)
Scott - Yeah that's my sense too. I read somewhere that the 2009 Yankees were the last team that closed out a World Series with the guy who was the closer to start the season. The Sox have some interesting arms but there is a lack of depth. I wrote on Sox Therapy that despite these claims of not signing anyone that there is an outside chance that Kimbrel winds up back on a one year deal. Get a QO level deal for the one year and hit FA without the specter of draft pick compensation looming.

Every year some guy I've never heard of makes an impact. The early chatter from Fort Myers seems to be glowing about Lakins, Hernandez and Feltman. Live arms all.
   3. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:14 AM (#5818216)
Is it possible that DD has decided he can comfortably stay in contention into July and then trade for the bullpen arms he needs to get over the hump?


Counterpoint: The Red Sox don't have all that many good trade chips right now.
   4. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:19 AM (#5818221)
Dombrowski knows that when you win the World Series, you get at least a couple of years of grace period where it's hard for fans to get too upset about anything. Oddly, I think the Patriots historic success also helps, because there is so much attention regionally up through the NFL draft in late April, and then it all begins again in August with anticipation for the start of the new season.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 26, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5818226)
Dombrowski knows that when you win the World Series, you get at least a couple of years of grace period where it's hard for fans to get too upset about anything.

Don't sell yourselves short. Notwithstanding the World Series win, and even the current acceptance of Dombrowski's bullpen decisions, the Wailing of the Masses would be quite loud if the Red Sox were to start the season blowing late-inning leads.
   6. karlmagnus Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:00 AM (#5818231)
There is no reason to give Dombrowski a grace period, because he has already mortgaged the future by trading all the Sox prospects. The team has one more year to win: 2019, after which it loses Sale and Bogaerts. Then after 2020 it loses Mookie (or weakens the team hugely to keep him.) If they don't win this year, they're dead meat till 2030. No excuses!
   7. I Am Not a Number Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5818250)
What's Calvin Schiraldi up to?
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:38 AM (#5818251)
I read somewhere that the 2009 Yankees were the last team that closed out a World Series with the guy who was the closer to start the season.


It's close, but Wilson was the Giants closer all season in their first WS victory in 2010. Since then, the opening-day closer has not gotten the final out for the winning team, for a variety of reasons.

   9. bbmck Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:54 AM (#5818263)
On the mound for final out of WS:

2009 Mariano Rivera: 1990 Amateur Free Agent
2010 Brian Wilson: 2003 24th round pick
2011 Jason Motte: 2003 19th round pick
2012 Sergio Romo: 2005 28th round pick
2013 Koji Uehara: signed as FA before season

2014 Madison Bumgarner: 2007 1st round pick
2015 Wade Davis: trade before 2013 season
2016 Mike Montgomery: mid-season trade
2017 Charlie Morton: signed as FA before season
2018 Chris Sale: trade before 2017 season

Most regular season saves for WS Champion:

2009 Same
2010 Same
2011 Fernando Salas: purchased before 2007 season
2012 Santiago Casilla: signed as FA before 2010 season
2013 Same

2014 Sergio Romo
2015 Greg Holland: 2007 10th round pick
2016 Hector Rondon: Rule 5 before 2013 season
2017 Ken Giles: trade before 2016 season
2018 Craig Kimbrel: trade before 2016 season

First save of the season for the WS Champs:

2009 Same
2010 Same
2011 Ryan Franklin: signed as FA before 2007 season, released during season
2012 Brian Wilson
2013 Joel Hanrahan: trade before season

2014 Sergio Romo
2015 Greg Holland
2016 Hector Rondon
2017 Ken Giles
2018 Craig Kimbrel
   10. jmurph Posted: February 26, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5818265)
Then after 2020 it loses Mookie (or weakens the team hugely to keep him.)

Amazing.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 26, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5818279)
Then after 2020 it loses Mookie (or weakens the team hugely to keep him.)


Amazing.

Yeah, LOL. How does paying Betts market value "weaken the team"?
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 26, 2019 at 11:18 AM (#5818282)
What's Calvin Schiraldi up to?
I'd say it's gotta be about 270, 280 maybe?
   13. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: February 26, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5818283)
Personally, I think you can fairly interpret that entire paragraph from Dombrowski as "we'd still sign someone at the right price, but if not, oh well." I don't see anything close to "closing the door."

I'd be very, very surprised if they wouldn't prefer to have Kimbrel back--just not for whatever he is currently demanding.
   14. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 26, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5818285)
It's Karl, the only question is "can he complain about the Red Sox."
   15. RoyalFlush Posted: February 26, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5818324)
It's close, but Wilson was the Giants closer all season in their first WS victory in 2010. Since then, the opening-day closer has not gotten the final out for the winning team, for a variety of reasons.


Wasn't Wade Davis the Opening Day closer for the 2015 Royals - as well as the pitcher to close it out? Holland was gone and Kelvin Herrera was setting up Davis, right?
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: February 26, 2019 at 12:46 PM (#5818330)
If only there was a website where one could reference this type of baseball information!

No, Holland was the closer for most of the year, but was hurt late and didn't pitch in the playoffs.
   17. Davo Posted: February 26, 2019 at 12:52 PM (#5818336)
Counterpoint: The Red Sox don't have all that many good trade chips right now.

This is true. But even solid 1-year relievers get traded for #### around the 7-31 and especially 8-31 deadlines.
   18. Scott Ross Posted: February 26, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5818341)
I wrote on Sox Therapy that despite these claims of not signing anyone that there is an outside chance that Kimbrel winds up back on a one year deal.

I would be all for this.

Counterpoint: The Red Sox don't have all that many good trade chips right now.

A minor quibble.

after which it loses Sale and Bogaerts

JD Martinez will pack his things before Bogaerts does.
   19. The Mighty Quintana Posted: February 26, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5818349)
I am fine with this. The last few trades for relievers haven't really worked out...all the way back to Andrew Bailey.
   20. karlmagnus Posted: February 26, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5818351)
14. The free market only operates for a portion of the team, those with 6+ years of service time. As the Yankees proved in 2001-17 (except for a fluke in 2009) it's impossible to build a WS winner entirely from the free agent market, because of the salary cap. The more you have to take from the free agency market, the more restricted you are. With Sale, Betts and Bogaerts reaching free agency, the Sox proportion from that very expensive market would have to soar (even as aging reduced their quality.) The only solution would be to re-stock from the minors, but Dombrowski traded away all that talent. By doing so, he traded a long but possibly shallow success phase (which might have missed in 2018) for a short sharp peak. That peak ends either this year or next, after which there must inevitably be a long rebuilding period even with Mookie signed. So the normal somnolent satiation after a WS win isn't here this year -- long fallow period coming from 2021 on, anyway; need to win now.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 26, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5818357)
As the Yankees proved in 2001-17 (except for a fluke in 2009) it's impossible to build a WS winner entirely from the free agent market, because of the salary cap.

Umm from 2001 to 2012 they made the playoffs every year but one. They won 100+ games 5 times. They played in 3 WS.

That's as successful a run as you're going to get.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: February 26, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5818363)
I wrongly assumed that they would sign a good FA reliever this offseason. If they don't want to blow past the relevant luxury tax threshold, their in-season options will be somewhat limited. And if they are going to exceed that threshold, I don't understand why they didn't just get Robertson, Cody Allen, or Ottavino.

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