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Monday, September 26, 2022

Don Mattingly won’t be back as Miami Marlins manager next season

Mattingly, the club’s all-time leader in managerial wins by a wide margin, is finishing his seventh season with the Marlins. He’s 437-584 in Miami, with one winning season in those seven years—a 31-29 mark in the pandemic-shortened 2020 season, when the team made its first playoff appearance since 2003.

“In general, the clubs I’ve had have always played hard,” Mattingly said. “I’ve always felt proud of that.”

His decision means a season that started with a big shakeup for Miami now ends with another. In February, Hall of Famer Derek Jeter—who had been Miami’s CEO, the first Black person in baseball history to hold that role with a franchise—announced a surprise departure after 4½ mostly unsuccessful years that didn’t come remotely close to matching his success as a player for the New York Yankees.

Now comes the Mattingly move, which means someone else will be in charge when the team gathers for spring training.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 26, 2022 at 12:19 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 26, 2022 at 03:33 PM (#6097976)
One never knows how mutual these mutual decisions are, but 14 years as a player, 7 years as a hitting or bench coach, and 12 years as a manager, is a pretty good run.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 26, 2022 at 03:48 PM (#6097978)
Now comes the Mattingly move, which means someone else will be in charge when the team gathers for spring training.
They've decided to have the players manage themselves to save costs.
   3. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 26, 2022 at 05:17 PM (#6097987)
In February, Hall of Famer Derek Jeter—who had been Miami’s CEO, the first Black person in baseball history to hold that role with a franchise—announced a surprise departure after 4½ mostly unsuccessful years that didn’t come remotely close to matching his success as a player for the New York Yankees.

The framing of this is so funny to me.

I think Mattingly gets at least one more manager job. Maybe not this year, but within a year or two, if he wants it anyway.
   4. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: September 26, 2022 at 06:38 PM (#6097994)
Mattingly, the club’s all-time leader in managerial wins by a wide margin
Wow, he must be great!
He’s 437-584 in Miami
Wait, uh... is that a typo?
with one winning season in those seven years
Um...
a 31-29 mark
Huh. One game over .500. How about that.
in the pandemic-shortened 2020 season
I... see.
   5. Brian C Posted: September 26, 2022 at 06:52 PM (#6098000)
Um...

What a shame that he totally squandered all those amazing rosters that the front office put together. But the real tragedy is that two successive ownership groups - both of whom were otherwise so driven to win at all costs - had such blind spots for what deadweight Don Mattingly was as a manager.
   6. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: September 26, 2022 at 07:04 PM (#6098003)
My comment was meant as a statement about the writing, not about Don Mattingly.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: September 26, 2022 at 08:10 PM (#6098012)
this will be an enticing gig - and not just because it's in Miami.

the young SPs range from CYA candidate Alcantara to young vet PLopez to tantalizing Luzardo, Garrett, and ECabrera. and there is more in the pipeline.

Jazz Chisholm is electrifying at MI, and .. ok, not as much on the hitting side yet.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:44 PM (#6098026)
this will be an enticing gig - and not just because it's in Miami.

the young SPs range from CYA candidate Alcantara to young vet PLopez to tantalizing Luzardo, Garrett, and ECabrera. and there is more in the pipeline.

Jazz Chisholm is electrifying at MI, and .. ok, not as much on the hitting side yet.


Forget it Howie, it's Marlintown. We know how this ends.
   9. Howie Menckel Posted: September 26, 2022 at 11:51 PM (#6098030)
how many other franchises have won two World Series in the last 25 years?

and they beat the mighty Yankees in 2003, with the Bombers answering back with only one title (or pennant) themselves since then.

this ain't the 2015 Cubs we're talking about.
   10. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:29 AM (#6098060)
With a good roster, Mattingly won at a .551 clip, but obviously LA has gone to a higher level under Roberts. With the Marlins, his record's been bad, but he had much, much less to work with. I agree with #3, he's an average-ish manager, and those guys can usually get jobs if they're still interested.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 27, 2022 at 12:52 PM (#6098069)
how many other franchises have won two World Series in the last 25 years?

and they beat the mighty Yankees in 2003, with the Bombers answering back with only one title (or pennant) themselves since then.

this ain't the 2015 Cubs we're talking about.


They haven't had a competitive team in 15 years, and the owners don't care if they ever do. All the good players will be gone as soon as they start making any money.
   12. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: September 27, 2022 at 01:07 PM (#6098073)
On the day Donnie Baseball was born, April 20, 1961, the Yankees beat the Angels, 4-2. And both Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle...hit singles. (Ex-Yankee Ken Hunt homered, tho, one of 25 he hit that year. He would hit just eight more MLB HRs after 1961.)
   13. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: September 27, 2022 at 02:48 PM (#6098085)
I think Mattingly gets at least one more manager job. Maybe not this year, but within a year or two, if he wants it anyway.
In fairness, Mattingly was handed pretty decent rosters in '16 and '17 and the club went nowhere.

Anyway, a gig inside MLB's offices seems more likely.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2022 at 03:09 PM (#6098089)
I'm not even sure what teams are looking for in a manager these days so it's hard to say whether Mattingly will get another shot or not. In the old days, sure, they recycled managers all the time and he'd probably get another shot somewhere. Recently we have seen Showalter in NY, Girardi in Philly (oops) and Matheny in KC (Cards envy). So sure, if Mattingly is willing to take on Cinci or Det or Pitt or maybe Oakland (if the price is right) then he can probably land that sort of gig.

I don't think he's getting the Showalter-Girardi type of gig though, at least not right now -- maybe after a stint in the league office or as a bench coach somewhere. You can't really fall much farther than the Marlins and the fact that he went from a "winning but disappointing" gig in LA all the way down to the Marlins suggests to me that nobody was that impressed 7 years ago. There's no reason to be more impressed now.

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