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Tuesday, May 30, 2023

Economic boost or big business hand-out? Nevada lawmakers consider A’s stadium financing

The A’s plan would authorize up to $380 million in public assistance for the potential $1.5 billion retractable-roof stadium in a special tax district, mainly through $180 million in state transferable tax credits and $120 million in bonds mostly from Clark County. The county also would contribute $25 million in credit toward infrastructure costs. The proposal would not directly raise taxes.

Presenters projected $900 million in annual construction wages and $17 million in tax revenue from operations each year in a study run by firms including Goldman Sachs, and funded by the Athletics. They said the state’s general fund would increase from the project.

“This is a good investment,” said Steve Hill, president of the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority, adding that Las Vegas’ tourists would help fill the stadium. “There will be more money available at both the state and local level, if this deal is done then if it’s not.”

Lawmaker questions from a multitude of concerns in the bill that lawmakers said could have an outsized effect on their communities. This included how a lack of recent success from the Athletics could affect attendance, traffic along the Strip, compatibility with the nearby airport and the integrity of the metrics that they used to gather projection numbers.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 30, 2023 at 11:28 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 30, 2023 at 02:05 PM (#6130782)
@BillShaikin
A Nevada legislator just called the Tropicana Hotel "the A's of the Strip."
   2. The Duke Posted: May 30, 2023 at 02:31 PM (#6130788)
I'd still like to know who, if anybody, gets the rights to Oakland's market or whether it is still a place a team could move. It's a huge market and absence makes the heart grow fonder. In a few years, Oakland will hand a new ownership group a sweetheart deal
   3. Walt Davis Posted: May 30, 2023 at 04:48 PM (#6130807)
#2 ... it wouldn't surprise me but it's also a market dominated by the Giants and which the A's have done little over the last decade to cultivate new fans or maintain the bonds with old ones. Give the Giants 3-5-10 years with that market to themselves and it may be very hard for a new team to make it.

Further, the assignment of "markets" to teams seemed specifically designed to make sure MLB didn't put more teams into big markets. Demographically/economically speaking, there should be 3-4 teams in NY metro, probably a 3rd one in LA metro but MLB has self-constrained markets so thoroughly that the A's couldn't even move within their own "natural" market because that territory "belonged" to the Giants. Agreed, in the abstract, Oakland is a better idea than Tampa, Cleveland, Nashville, Charlotte ... or Vegas.

study run by firms including Goldman Sachs, and funded by the Athletics.
   4. Cris E Posted: May 30, 2023 at 06:13 PM (#6130820)
If I were the Giants I'd quietly slip $50m into the kitty just to get Fisher out of town and seal it up as my own. There's no way someone else moves into that town if it rides as a one team city for more than a couple years. This isn't the NFL where any soccer field allows you to sell ten dates and collect the broadcast revenue.
   5. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: May 30, 2023 at 06:19 PM (#6130822)
Economic boost or big business hand-out?

Yes.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: May 30, 2023 at 09:35 PM (#6130845)
This isn't the NFL where any soccer field allows you to sell ten dates and collect the broadcast revenue.

The Pirates, Royals, Reds, Marlins, A's, Rays, Tigers, Rox are not sure they should spend any of their guaranteed $230 M** in revenue subscribing to your newsletter. :-)

** OK, this might take a dip with the current RSN debacle. And sure, local revenue plays a much bigger part in MLB than NFL. Still the Rays would love to move to a nice soccer field and where that field is located won't much matter to their bottom line.
   7. Zach Posted: June 02, 2023 at 03:01 PM (#6131274)
#3 -- the A's lack of penetration of their home market is amazing. Somehow the Moneyball A's completely neglected the money side of the equation.
   8. DL from MN Posted: June 02, 2023 at 04:35 PM (#6131296)
In a few years, Oakland will hand a new ownership group a sweetheart deal


A new ownership group from a Triple-A team.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 02, 2023 at 04:53 PM (#6131299)
Yea, I don't see Oakland getting a team back.
   10. McCoy Posted: June 02, 2023 at 06:14 PM (#6131309)
If Oakland wants a team and will hand out billions to get one MLB will listen.
   11. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: June 03, 2023 at 02:10 PM (#6131393)
A new ownership group from a Triple-A team.

Bring back the Oaks!
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: June 03, 2023 at 03:33 PM (#6131405)
Economic boost or big business hand-out? Nevada lawmakers consider A’s stadium financing

I mentioned that Meadowlands stadium deal in another thread.

not only did NJ make the Giants and Jets pay for their own damn ($1.6 billion) new stadium, they also inserted a clause that while either team could opt to move with a notification before the 15th anniversary of Opening Day (not that far away, relatively speaking), that notification would lock the other one in for another 15 years. that guarantees the region an NFL team for at least 30 years.

but that's the luxury for representatives of taxpayers - should they choose to accept such a responsibility - in huge markets. imagine either team trying to claim they'd move from the biggest market in the U.S. to Las Vegas, or Portland, or Nashville. it would be ludicrous.

in a marginal market, it can be a matter of overpaying - or saying goodbye....
   13. ReggieThomasLives Posted: June 04, 2023 at 10:51 PM (#6131527)
There can be no better investment than the cash machine As with their huge fan base.
   14. Doug Jones threw harder than me Posted: June 07, 2023 at 11:28 AM (#6131791)
The bill never made it out of committee before the legislature adjourns. What happens now? Mixed messages - there will be a special session, but whether the bill gets brought up during that special session is another issue - some say yes, some say no. If not, the legislature does not reconvene for another two years. Meanwhile, the unprecedented "reverse boycott" is still on for June 13th, wonder what kind of crowd will show up at the Coliseum for that?

Edit: Spoke too soon - a second special session has been called simply to address the A's stadium bill, for 10:00 a.m. today.

SB509 Special Session called

   15. DL from MN Posted: June 07, 2023 at 04:43 PM (#6131849)
Have they addressed what happens to the Aviators?
   16. Doug Jones threw harder than me Posted: June 09, 2023 at 12:48 AM (#6132136)
The special session has gone on for two days now, including a marathon session on Wednesday night. A vote has still not even been scheduled. The session will reconvene next week sometime, perhaps just as the "reverse boycott" occurs on Tuesday, June 13th.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 09, 2023 at 10:13 AM (#6132145)

Have they addressed what happens to the Aviators?


They'd certainly move. Wasn't Fresno trying to get back in Triple-A?

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