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Ed Armbrister, Big Red Machine member and Bahamas Sports Hall of Famer, dies at 72

National Baseball Hall of Famer and former Cincinnati Reds great Johnny Bench is among those remembering former teammate Ed Armbrister, who died Wednesday after a battle with diabetes, according to family members. He was 72.

Armbrister, a Bahamian inducted in 2008 into The Bahamas’ National Sports Hall of Fame, played for the Reds from 1973 to 1977, hitting .245 in 302 regular-season plate appearances over those five seasons. He successfully executed a controversial bunt in the bottom of the 10th inning of Game 3 of the 1975 World Series. Boston Red Sox catcher Carlton Fisk argued that Armbrister interfered with his pursuit of the bunt, which moved teammate Cesar Geronimo from first to third base and put Armbrister on second with Fisk’s throwing error. Three batters later, Joe Morgan’s single to center scored Geronimo, and the Reds won the game, 6-5 - taking a 2-1 lead in the series.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 18, 2021 at 01:27 PM | 58 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. sanny manguillen Posted: March 18, 2021 at 02:17 PM (#6009106)
Part of the Joe Morgan-Lee May trade. He had nine different seasons in which he went to the plate at least 350 times for a single minor league club. RIP.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: March 18, 2021 at 02:55 PM (#6009115)
It took almost 30 years, but I was ultimately able to let go of my anger at Ed.

RIP.
   3. John DiFool2 Posted: March 18, 2021 at 03:47 PM (#6009118)
The ump deserved your ire, not Armbrister.
   4. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 18, 2021 at 04:17 PM (#6009120)
I haven't seen the play for decades, and I admit a pro-Reds bias, but I thought it was not interference.

Looking at it again, it is borderline, but it's like a touch foul in basketball. Fisk had control of the ball and was not being touched when he made the bad throw.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: March 18, 2021 at 05:29 PM (#6009128)
3. Sure, but if we’re going to be completely rational about these things, than Larry Barnett didn’t warrant 29 years of ire either
   6. . Posted: March 18, 2021 at 05:45 PM (#6009130)
Just reviewed the awesome mic-ed up argument with the ump by Darrell Johnson and I dig his parting shot: "It's a lousy operation and you and I know it right now. It's a lousy operation."
   7. Walt Davis Posted: March 18, 2021 at 06:27 PM (#6009133)
So ... most famous bunt? Other candidates?

This list puts it just #9 for the postseason but then I'm not clear if these are ranked. They're #1 is pretty awesome ... and one I don't recall, maybe I was asleep.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: March 18, 2021 at 06:49 PM (#6009136)
I would have listed the Ramon Hernandez one and then run out of choices. Wally Backman dragged a bunt in Game 3 of the 1986 NLCS before Dykstra hit a walkoff homer.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: March 18, 2021 at 08:08 PM (#6009143)
My favorite postseason bunt was one that didn’t work. Otis Nixon trying to drive in the tying run to stay alive in Game 6 of the 1992 series. It was a good idea, but the Jays made the play.
   10. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 18, 2021 at 08:15 PM (#6009145)
The umpires on the Armbrister play were going by the supplemental rules that they had been given:

“It was merely a collision,” Barnett told reporters in explaining the nature of the contact between Armbrister and Fisk. Merely a collision. That was the key word in Barnett’s dictionary. According to a supplemental instructional rules book given only to major league umpires and not made available publicly—a book that helped them interpret vague or confusing rules and situations—a collision between the catcher and batter on a batted ball was to be treated as incidental to the play. “When a catcher and batter-runner going to first base have contact when the catcher is fielding the ball,” the supplemental instruction stated, “there is generally no violation and nothing should be called.”

“The instructions specifically cover this play,” said George Maloney, the second base umpire in Game Three, as part of a revealing interview with the Louisville Times. “[The instructions] clearly state that no call will be made involving contact between a batter and a catcher. They are saying, in essence, that both have rights: the catcher to field the ball, the runner to advance to first. It is to be treated as a collision—nothing else.”


https://web.archive.org/web/20070927161133/http://xsorbit27.com/users5/historicbaseball/index.php?topic=40.0


   11. Sweatpants Posted: March 18, 2021 at 09:20 PM (#6009150)
Other relatively famous bunts:

- Paul Blair's walk-off squeeze bunt in game one of the 1969 ALCS
- Ted Williams bunting for a hit in his only World Series
- Nap Lajoie putting down a bunch of bunts in the last game of the 1910 season to try to win a car

Didn't Rivera make a throwing error on a bunt in game seven of the 2001 World Series?
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: March 18, 2021 at 09:49 PM (#6009151)
Bottom of the 9th, Diamondbacks Batting, Behind 1-2, Yankees' Mariano Rivera facing 7-8-9

Mark Grace Single to CF
David Dellucci pinch runs for Mark Grace

Damian Miller Reached on E1 (throw to 2B) (Bunt); Dellucci to 2B

Jay Bell pinch hits for Randy Johnson (P)
Bell - Bunt Groundout: P-3B/Forceout at 3B; Miller to 2B

Midre Cummings pinch runs for Damian Miller

Tony Womack Double to RF (Line Drive to RF Line); Cummings Scores, Bell to 3B

Craig Counsell Hit By Pitch

Luis Gonzalez Single to CF (Fly Ball to Deep SS-2B); Bell Scores; Womack to 3B; Counsell to 2B

2 runs, 3 hits, 1 error, 3 LOB. Yankees 2, Diamondbacks 3.
   13. Sweatpants Posted: March 18, 2021 at 10:30 PM (#6009154)
Thanks, I remembered the error, but I didn't remember what the batted ball was like.

A bunt that got a lot of press at the time but has largely faded from memory is Ben Davis breaking up a Schilling no-hitter with a bunt.
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: March 18, 2021 at 11:24 PM (#6009160)
Twilight Zone script:

NARRATOR ROD SERLING: "Imagine, if you will, a man who met his future bride in Chicago in 1996, just after the Bulls - one of her two favorite sports teams - won yet another NBA title and just before her other favorite team - the Yankees - would win yet another World Series."

EPISODE:

Their engagement year brings another Bulls title - and another, just before their 1998 wedding. A few months later, the Yankees win another title.

Then in the first full year of marriage, it's another ring for the Yankees - and yet another follows in Year 2.

Cut to 2001.

The happy couple is watching her Yankees take the lead late in Game 7, seeking a 5th title in the 6 years they have known each other. At this point, the audience learns that he is a Mets fan - not a Yankees fan.

She is only a casual follower of her teams, really, and she had worked hard that day. So by the time the Diamondbacks come to bat in the 9th inning, she has fallen asleep on the shoulder of said husband.

He screams - but only in his imagination - as one batter after another reaches base. In reality, he never makes a sound nor moves a muscle - so as not to awaken his sleeping bride.

Finally, a Diamondbacks batter hits a weakly batted ball that falls for a hit - and it's over. The mighty Yankees have lost.

Minutes go by in silence - until finally, the bride awakens.

"Ohh," she says to her mate. "Did the Yankees win?"

After the slightest pause, the husband replies, "No, honey... No, they didn't."

"Ok," she says, with no distress in her voice.

The couple walks upstairs to what, for both, it appears for all the world will be a very restful sleep.

NARRATOR ROD SERLING: [And this is where the national creative writing contest comes in. How to briefly describe this unexpected twist, in the most Serling-ian fashion?]
   15. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 19, 2021 at 08:50 AM (#6009177)
I wonder how many other players like Armbrister were (or will be) only known by casual fans for one defining play. Just to name a few....

Fred Merkle
Fred Snodgrass
Bill Wambsganss
Mickey Owen
Bill Bevens
Al Gionfriddo
Bobby Thomson
Ralph Branca
Nippy Jones
Tito Landrum
Bill Buckner
Aaron Boone (as a player)
Dave Roberts (as a player)

and so on....
   16. Howie Menckel Posted: March 19, 2021 at 09:33 AM (#6009186)
Jeffrey Maier (as a player)
   17. JJ1986 Posted: March 19, 2021 at 09:47 AM (#6009187)
Endy Chavez
   18. JJ1986 Posted: March 19, 2021 at 09:49 AM (#6009189)
Tony Womack
DeWayne Wise
Armando Galarraga (sort of)
   19. greenback used to say live and let live Posted: March 19, 2021 at 10:10 AM (#6009194)
Armbrister had two HRs in a game, July 31, 1976, against the Padres, and two HRs during the rest of his five-year major league career. Apparently he liked hitting against Brent Strom. I only remember this, because a couple of friends happened to be at that game.

Kinda hard to imagine that some kid growing up in the Bahamas dreamed one day of making a living in Cincinnati, Ohio.
   20. Howie Menckel Posted: March 19, 2021 at 10:15 AM (#6009195)
Moonlight Graham (as a doctor)
   21. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 19, 2021 at 03:13 PM (#6009247)
Game 6, bottom of inn 9, 1948 WS: BOS NL trying to desperately tie the game and the series, with no out and one on, SIbby Sisti pops up a bunt attempt and turns into a DP and the end of the season one out later. WE going from 67% to 96% on one play, gee.

CLE seemed to be stronger team throughout, but BOS had rallied to win game 5, and scored two in the 8th inn of game 6 to only trail by one. CLE pulled off like 10 DPs or something in the series, some awesome fielding can be seen on youtube.
   22. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: March 19, 2021 at 03:42 PM (#6009249)
Could've sworn Armbrister was at least part Native American (& much moreso than the seemingly 95% of U.S. residents who claim that their great-great-grand-grandmother was the niece of a Cherokee third cousin twice removed or whatever), but I must be thinking of someone else. No, not Cesar Geronimo.

I mean, yeah, the Bahamas are part of the West Indies, sure, but that's not what my memory is misfiring on.
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 19, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6009259)
More with one defining fielding play:

Ron Swoboda
Vic Wertz (victim of the impossible)
Tony Kubek (victim of the mundane)
Joe Rudi (though its iconic-ness appears to have faded)
Rodney McCray (Hey, Kool-Aid!)
   24. Walt Davis Posted: March 19, 2021 at 05:36 PM (#6009263)
Jeremy Giambi
   25. JJ1986 Posted: March 19, 2021 at 06:13 PM (#6009267)
Francisco Cabrera and Sid Bream
   26. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 19, 2021 at 08:19 PM (#6009282)
Travis Ishikawa.
   27. Hysterical & Useless Posted: March 19, 2021 at 08:29 PM (#6009284)
I wonder how many other players like Armbrister were (or will be) only known by casual fans for one defining play. Just to name a few....

Ray Chapman
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: March 19, 2021 at 08:52 PM (#6009288)
Ron Swoboda


Swoboda's book that came out last year is called "Here's The Catch," - in facft - and it is one of the best autobiographies in baseball that I have ever read. amazingly candid.

he was mostly a corner OF who had a 101 career OPS+. made it to the bigs early, and was gone by age 30. and Swoboda is fully aware of how mediocre he was. talks about how stupid he was to fail to appreciate his Mets manager, Gil Hodges, because Swoboda at that time had too high of an opinion of himself.
   29. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 19, 2021 at 10:55 PM (#6009307)
Thanks for the tip on the Ron Swoboda book, Howie. I've put a hold on it at my library.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: March 19, 2021 at 11:36 PM (#6009308)
I turned 8 years old around the time the Mets took over first place down the stretch in 1969, so not exactly an unbiased reviewer.

I hope my 'ear' wasn't overwhelmed by that, but definitely interested in another baseball lover's opinion. Swoboda struck me as an unusual character.

btw my college buddy who I have attended Mets games with forever once paid an undisclosed amount (am guessing $50 or $100; my pal is pretty affluent, so his heart gets what it wants) for a "backstage meet-and-greet" with Swoboda at a memorabilia show.

turns out he was the only one who paid for this 'thrill of a lifetime.' Swoboda told him he had been certain that no one would pay, and was quite generous with his time.
   31. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 19, 2021 at 11:41 PM (#6009309)
I started making a list like this:

Harvey Haddix
Herb Score
Ernie Shore
Howard Ehmke
Hippo Vaughn
Tom Browning
Hal Smith
Tracey Stallard (Maris 61st)
BUcky Dent
Bob Robertson (71 NLCS)
Jose Pagan 71 WS
Conigliaro
Floyd Gleibell (40 Tigersj pennant)
Mike Andrews (73 WS)
Chet Laabs (44 Browns pennant)
Ray Fosse
Angel Mangual
Bernie Carbo
Denny Doyle (out at home in the 75 series)
Diego Segui (opening day 77)
Bill Lee (Concepcion HR)
Jim Northrup
Larry Jaster
Tom Matchick (68 pennant)
Don Wert (same)
Daryl Motley
George Orta
Dane Iorg
Onix Concepcion
Al Weis

...then I stopped as it occurred to me that the whole exercise is ridiculous as you could probably put half the Miracle Mets on this list if you tried hard enough.

   32. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 20, 2021 at 08:52 PM (#6009384)
Except that other than Swoboda and Al Weis, who else on the Mets is remembered by non-Mets fans for just one moment? And Swoboda was also known for ruining Steve Carlton's 19 K performance in mid-September by hitting a pair of 2 run homers that gave the Mets a 4-3 win.

And what memorable moment did Tom Matchick and Don Wert have? the Tigers won that '68 pennant by 12 games.

Also, Bill Lee gave up that home run to Tony Perez, not Dave Concepcion.
   33. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: March 21, 2021 at 10:56 AM (#6009431)
Sandy Amoros
   34. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: March 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM (#6009433)
George Orta


Jorge, actually. Why I orta ...
   35. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: March 21, 2021 at 11:00 AM (#6009434)

Ray Chapman


And, correspondingly, Carl Mays.
Jack Hamilton.
Tony Horton.
Dickie Thon.
Lerrin LaGrow.
   36. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 21, 2021 at 12:48 PM (#6009446)

Except that other than Swoboda and Al Weis, who else on the Mets is remembered by non-Mets fans for just one moment?


Harrelson: Collision with Rose
Tommie Agee: Game THREE
Tug McGraw; KO Willie WIlson
JC Martin: game FOUR NO INTERFERENCE
NOlan Ryan: Headlock
Tom Seaver: 19 KOs
"Kranepool flies to right, Agnew Resigns."
Cleon JOnes: Shoe Polish Test
Jim Gosger: NOT DEAD YET
Koosman shuts the Door!
Gary Gentry: game THREE
Danny Frisella: dune buggy (sorry)
Rod Gaspar: winning run/NO INTERFERENCE
Clendenon: HR after shoe polish
ROd Taylor: game four 1964
Duffy Dyer: Candelaria's No hitter
Ken Boswell: Mets in First, first time in history
Amos Otis: 8 stranded kids game
Don Cardwell: 26 straight
Ed Charles: winning run Game TWO
Gil HOdges: game 7 1955
Wayne Garrett: The Ball on the Wall
Jerry Grote: Double leads off the NO INTERFERENCE inn.
Bob Johnson, game one 1971 NLCS
JOe Pignatano: game two 1959 NL playoff
Art Shamsky 4 consecutive HRs
Al Jackson, 215 pitches CG
Les Rohr: defeats Drysdale
Jack DiLauro: 19 straight batters
BObby Pfeil: Nixon's glove
Rube Walker: Shot Round the World
Kevin Collins: Pignatano vs Harry Walker
Jesse Hudson; Also Not Dead Yet.
   37. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 21, 2021 at 12:58 PM (#6009447)
I found a lot of interesting stories while looking that stuff up. My favorite is this one involving Mayo smith and Yogi Berra:

The NYY hired Smith after being fired as CIN manager. He didnt really get a chance and the impression I get is that a lot of people really respected him as a fair guy who wouldn't just pull you for one mistake. Anyhow the NYY hire him as an advance scout and his scouting report on McCarver before the 1964 Series is that he pulls everything to LF.

McCarver had 2 EB hits to RF/CF in game one that led the STL victory and another screaming line drive to the same place in game 2. After the game Yogi comes up to Smith:

"Are you sure you scouted McCarver or were you somewhere else?"
   38. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 21, 2021 at 03:09 PM (#6009464)
Well, some of those Mets and ex-Mets might be known for more that a single incident. You could just as easily say that Hodges was remembered for his 0 for 21 in the 1952 WS or his 4 HR in a game in 1950. But it's still a good list.

And McCarver won game 5 with a 10th inning home run into the RF stands, making Yogi's question doubly apt. Not to mention that LH batters don't usually "pull" their hits to LF.

Adding a few more from an endless list of possibilities:

Ernie Lombardi for his "snooze" in the last inning of the 1939 WS
Gabby Hartnett for his "homer in the gloamin'" in the stretch of the 1938 NL pennant race
Earl Averill for his line drive off Dizzy Dean's toe in the 1937 AS game, which effectively ended Dizzy's career
Home Run Baker for his 2 home runs in the 1911 WS that gave him his nickname
Gil McDougald (see Herb Score)
Pumpsie Green and Gene Conley for skipping the Red Sox and flying to Israel
Johnny Callison 1964 AS game walkoff HR
Freddy Lindstrom and his unfortunate pebble in the 1924 WS
Tony Lazzeri for his strikeout against Grover Cleveland Alexander in the 1926 WS
Charlie Root for giving up Babe Ruth's "called shot" HR
Joe Oescheger and Leon Cadore for their 26 inning pitchers' duel in 1920
Sam Rice for the ball he may or may not have caught in the 1925 WS
Sandy Amoros for "the catch" in game 7 of the 1955 WS
Johnny Podres for his shutout in that same game


Here's another category: Wildly inappropriate nicknames, beginning with "Big Game James" Shields, who had a career 5.46 ERA in 9 different postseason series.
   39. baxter Posted: March 21, 2021 at 04:04 PM (#6009467)
Eddie Gaedel
   40. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 21, 2021 at 04:17 PM (#6009469)

And McCarver won game 5 with a 10th inning home run into the RF stands, making Yogi's question doubly apt. Not to mention that LH batters don't usually "pull" their hits to LF.


CORRECTION: Mayo Smith reported that McCarver hit every ball to LF (I had assumed McCarver was RH hitter but he's not). And he pulled all those hits to RF in the series so story makes sense now.

You could just as easily say that Hodges was remembered for his 0 for 21 in the 1952 WS or his 4 HR in a game in 1950.


Admittedly HOdges is a stretch as are some others. He got nothing but respect from all the stories I've seen. Cleon Jones is also remembered for being pulled from LF when he didnt hustle after a ball that was hit over his head. Hodges slowly walked out to RF and then Jones left. Jones said Hodges was his favorite manager and would never reveal the real reason he pulled him (hustle) instead telling the press that JOne's leg was sore or something. That was another memorable moment and shows how much they respected him. Pignatano says Hodges banged his head on the sidewalk when he suffered the fatal heart attack. Sad.
   41. baxter Posted: March 21, 2021 at 04:32 PM (#6009472)
36 Jim Gosger? Yeah, sure.
   42. Ron J Posted: March 21, 2021 at 06:32 PM (#6009487)
The McCarver scouting report story was, can't get around on a high fastball.

Turns out that should have read, can't get around on Sandy Koufax's high fastball.
   43. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 21, 2021 at 09:49 PM (#6009516)
The McCarver scouting report story was, can't get around on a high fastball.

Apparently one of the final reasons that Joe Dimaggio decided to retire after the 1951 season was that LIFE magazine published an anonymous scouting report by the Dodgers for the World Series, which said Dimaggio no longer could get around on a fast ball, you could run on his arm, and he'd lost a step in the field. You can only imagine his private reaction when he heard about that report.

Dimaggio actually had a pretty good World Series, with a key HR and 5 RBI in 6 games, but that scouting report hit home, as it revealed truths about himself that he'd already known.

Pignatano says Hodges banged his head on the sidewalk when he suffered the fatal heart attack. Sad.

I'd always thought Hodges had died on the golf course, but apparently he collapsed after he'd completed his round and was on his way back to the Mets' motel.

After that 0 for 21 World Series, Hodges started off the 1953 season in a terrible slump, and after a game on Saturday, May 23, his BA was down to .181. At that point, every Catholic priest in Brooklyn was told to lead his parishioners in a special prayer for him the next morning, and coincidence or not, from that point to the end of the season he hit .325 with a 1.025 OPS.
   44. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 21, 2021 at 10:57 PM (#6009526)
Tony Lazzeri for his strikeout against Grover Cleveland Alexander in the 1926 WS
I’m reluctant to argue with someone who was probably present at that game, or at least listened on his ‘wireless’, but IMHO Lazzeri is better known for an event a decade later, his American League record 11-RBI game.
   45. Howie Menckel Posted: March 22, 2021 at 12:24 AM (#6009528)
Wildly inappropriate nicknames

HOMers Cannonball Dick Redding or Pebbly Jack Glasscock?

re Gosger - he had a cup of coffee on both the 1969 and 1973 Mets NL pennant teams (the only two seasons he started a game for them) but was not on either postseason roster.

the Mets PR crew infamously "killed" him (and Jesse Hudson) when they celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Miracle Mets. both seemed to take it in stride...

   46. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 22, 2021 at 05:18 PM (#6009624)
some other interesting stories I found along the way:

The Norm Cash table leg he brought to the plate to face Nolan Ryan with in the ninth when Ryan was going for his second no hitter. There's actually video of that. July 1973

Don Cardwell was a pretty good hitter he's the only pitcher to ever hit a HR off Sandy Koufax.

On MIckey Mantle day, 1965, Joe Sparma a rookie was pitching and he came off the mound to shake hands with MIckey as he wa coming up to bat. Sparma was Ohio st QB in 1961 when they won the Big Ten and Paul Warfield was his receiver.

Ron Taylor became a doctor after he retired and was Blue Jay PHysician for 30 years.

Kranepool and a bunch of other Mets appear in the Sat. Night Live sketch featuring Chico Escuela's book: Bad Stuff Bout the Mets.

On the Ryan/Ventura confrontation, Ryan said he had previously had an encounter with WInfield and i guess he backed or down or something so he said he was determined not to take #### from anyone again.

The Mayo Smith Yogi story is from an interview Smith gave to the newspapers, at the beginning of the 1968 series. So I guess its pretty accurate.

Grote was the guy who always rolled the ball to the far side of the pitchers mound if the inning ended with a strike out. SO the opposing pitcher would have to walk further to get it. I remember someone in the NL league doing that but couldn't remember who. He made a mistake 8/30/69 when McCovey doubled to left and Gaspar threw out the runner, Burda at the plate. Grote thought there was 3 outs so he rolls the ball right of the mound even though there were only TWO OUTS. BUt CLendenon saw this, picked it up and threw out McCovey at third. Bobby Pfeil put the tag on, his one moment of Glory.
   47. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 22, 2021 at 08:55 PM (#6009648)
I’m reluctant to argue with someone who was probably present at that game, or at least listened on his ‘wireless’, but IMHO Lazzeri is better known for an event a decade later, his American League record 11-RBI game.

With all due respect, I don't think that an individual record set in a meaningless 25 to 2 regular season game is quite as memorable as one of the most dramatic moments in World Series history. I've heard scores of accounts over the years of that Alexander-Lazzeri duel, in which Lazzeri had barely missed a grand slam on the previous pitch; it was the lead story on the front page of the Times the next day, and it was even featured in a movie starring Ronald Reagan. By contrast, the only thing I've ever heard about that 11 RBI game was that Lazzeri had 2 grand slams. The only single game RBI record I've ever heard mentioned was Sunny Jim Bottomley's 12, an MLB record that was tied by another Cardinal almost 70 years later.
   48. Howie Menckel Posted: March 22, 2021 at 09:22 PM (#6009652)
Kranepool and a bunch of other Mets appear

... in a 1999 "Everybody Loves Raymond" episode. Ray and his brother are there to get autographs from the 1969 Mets, but the line is too long. it was on the other day and I missed most of it, but apparently Ray tries to use his press pass to jump the line and they get ejected.

Ray's brother in the show has a dog named after Art Shamsky (a similar player to fellow Miracle Mets OF Swoboda who wrote his own book a few years ago that I heard is pretty good as well).
   49. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 22, 2021 at 11:26 PM (#6009664)
On the Ryan/Ventura confrontation, Ryan said he had previously had an encounter with WInfield and i guess he backed or down or something so he said he was determined not to take #### from anyone again.
Seems like having Dave Winfield on your List of Guys Not to Mess With would be entirely rational and not a source of shame, but yeah, Texas and all that.
   50. JJ1986 Posted: March 23, 2021 at 10:30 AM (#6009687)
All of the 1969 Mets are actually most famous for signing You Gotta Have Heart on the Ed Sullivan Show.
   51. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: March 23, 2021 at 10:55 AM (#6009689)
I'll add Larry Yount and Adam Greenberg to the list.

It's hard to say that any hall of famers belong on it though. Lazzeri may have had a famous strike out, but he was also the second baseman for some of the greatest teams of all time and has a plaque in Cooperstown. Quite a lot to remember him for.
   52. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 23, 2021 at 11:11 AM (#6009692)
It's hard to say that any hall of famers belong on it though. Lazzeri may have had a famous strike out, but he was also the second baseman for some of the greatest teams of all time and has a plaque in Cooperstown. Quite a lot to remember him for.

Point taken, but I'd add Lazzeri because once you get past the two broad categories that you mention, he's almost entirely known for one specific at-bat. OTOH I agree that he's in a different category than (say) Eddie Gaedel or Tracy Stallard.

Fun Fact: Tracy Stallard's highest Game Score in 1961 came in the game where he gave up #61 to Roger Maris.

"I pitched a great game, but all anyone ever mentions was that one bad pitch!"
   53. TomH Posted: March 23, 2021 at 12:11 PM (#6009701)
2001 WS game 7 ninth inning
Bell - Bunt Groundout: P-3B/Forceout at 3B; Miller to 2B
---
The biggest thing about this was that it a likely bunt-GIDP. Bell was going to be out at first, but the Yankee third sacker didn't even attempt to make the throw.
   54. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 23, 2021 at 04:06 PM (#6009743)
Debunking baseball nicknames:

Derek Jeter was just 2-for-12 with 1 RBI in November 2001.

But then the sucker hit well in November 2009 and spoiled the spoiling.
   55. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: March 24, 2021 at 11:50 AM (#6009853)
One of my earliest baseball memories on TV was of an unusual double play by the Mets at Shea. Armbrister attempting to steal third base. The batter grounded the ball to the third baseman who, tagged Armbrister as he slid into third, then threw across the diamond for the double play.

RIP/BDE.
   56. sunday silence (again) Posted: March 24, 2021 at 02:28 PM (#6009891)
more fun anecdotes: Johnny Bench kept telling Gary Nolan that his fastball was weak so kept calling for breaking balls. NOlan was so incensed he kept shaking him off to throw the fastball. So as Nolan goes into his wind up Bench drops his glove and catches it barehand to make his point .
   57. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: March 24, 2021 at 02:45 PM (#6009898)
Re: #55, I tracked down the game.
   58. greenback used to say live and let live Posted: March 24, 2021 at 03:40 PM (#6009906)
more fun anecdotes: Johnny Bench kept telling Gary Nolan that his fastball was weak so kept calling for breaking balls. NOlan was so incensed he kept shaking him off to throw the fastball. So as Nolan goes into his wind up Bench drops his glove and catches it barehand to make his point .

The pitcher was Gerry Arrigo, not Gary Nolan. Bench even tweeted about it.

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