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Tuesday, April 28, 2020

Empty Stadium Sports Will Be Really Weird

So, with the very likely possibility that baseball and basketball — at minimum — will be played to empty stadiums, it begs the question: Will it be as fun?

And before you answer, think about it for a second. No crowd noise. No intensity that builds for the home team or against the away team. Yes, the scoreboard will tell the tale, but the pressure is cranked up when you have a building full of crazy fans screaming their lungs out.

I get that it’s a business and that the money’s at the ML level, but considering crowds, distance from population centers, and the pleasures of relaxed fandom, I’ve been thinking that we might just run some mLs instead.

Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 28, 2020 at 10:17 AM | 10679 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   10201. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 28, 2020 at 11:03 PM (#5986360)
Hinderaker is the person's name (just looked it up). President Trump just appointed him to the federal bench.
No, two different people. The quote comes from John H. Hinderaker, an attorney & blogger at Power Line, who lives in Minnesota. The other guy, John C. Hinderaker was recently confirmed to be a Federal District Court Judge in Arizona.
   10202. baxter Posted: October 28, 2020 at 11:54 PM (#5986367)
10202 Goodness; thank you for the correction, sir.

Apologies to all, including the Arizona bench officer.
   10203. BrianBrianson Posted: October 29, 2020 at 01:59 AM (#5986376)
Well, France (and Germany?) start a new lockdown tomorrow.

It's supposed to be the same as the old lockdown, but only for four weeks (?) Also, daycares, schools, universities, workplaces, government offices, shops, and cemeteries will remain open. So I'm not totally clear on how it's the same, or a lockdown.

My office will probably make us téléwork, so I'll probably burn through some of remaining vacation days for this year; though, if it's more than four weeks, that'll get dicey. Gotta save some for Christmas. With schools open, working from home isn't as bad, so maybe just one week of staycation then I'll re-asses.
   10204. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: October 29, 2020 at 07:50 AM (#5986380)
Well, France (and Germany?) start a new lockdown tomorrow.


Germany from Monday, it looks like. Bars and restaurants close, schools and shops stay open (but with additional social distancing enforced in shops). There's some discontent, as evidence that transmission happens significantly in hospitality venues isn't necessarily great, but I expect it's one of those 'generally discourage unnecessary socialising in a number of settings' approaches.

Government support is still in place to cushion job losses. Still, it's going to be a fairly muted Christmas - already a lot of the local Christmas markets, which are a major attraction, have announced they won't be taking place.
   10205. BrianBrianson Posted: October 29, 2020 at 08:53 AM (#5986390)
Part of might be to facilitate contact tracing. If someone in a class or an office is ill, pretty easy to know who else was there. Bar or restaurant, probably very little hope.
   10206. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 29, 2020 at 09:06 AM (#5986391)
The recurrence of outbreaks in Europe underscore the point that societal behavior appears by far the most important factor in controlling covid spread.

Charts here show that, for the most part, countries that had big outbreaks prior to August 1 are the same ones having the big outbreaks now.

Modeling human behavior is complex, but what people do on an individual level is probably more important than governmental measures. Ultimately it comes down to education and cooperation. If enough people in a society don't believe, or believe but don't care, whether their own actions are important in slowing down the spread in their community, then it seems big outbreaks will continue to occur until we have a vaccine.



   10207. Ron J Posted: October 29, 2020 at 09:47 AM (#5986396)
#10205 Ontario pubs and restaurants require contact info. Even for patios. Now it's only one person per group and nothing prevents you from giving false information but most people simply give the contact info.
   10208. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: October 29, 2020 at 10:37 AM (#5986416)
I went to a cafe for lunch in August in Frankfurt (outside dining) which required scanning of a QR code embedded on the inside of the menu for you to input your contact data. Until you could show the wait staff your confirmation on your phone, they wouldn't take your order. I can't remember, but I think the app required confirming an SMS code so that it was harder to enter fake info. Disappointingly, the place I had dinner at the same day didn't seem very interested.
   10209. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 29, 2020 at 10:45 AM (#5986421)
More Idaho hijinks:

Several Idaho lawmakers appeared in an Idaho Freedom Foundation video published Tuesday in which they question the existence of the coronavirus pandemic and state that they will ignore any state or local emergency orders that they claim violate their rights.

The video features cameos from Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin, state representatives Tammy Nichols, R-Middleton; Dorothy Moon, R-Stanley; Bryan Zollinger, R-Idaho Falls; Christy Zito, R-Hammett; Chad Christensen, R-Ammon; Priscilla Giddings, R-White Bird; Tony Wisniewski, R-Post Falls and Heather Scott, R-Blanchard; as well as Ron Nate, R-Rexburg, and Karey Hanks, R-St. Anthony, both of whom are unopposed for election to the House in November. The lawmakers’ script is a “declaration to Idaho residents and officials” that the Idaho Freedom Foundation published on its website in early October
   10210. RJ in TO Posted: October 29, 2020 at 12:06 PM (#5986433)
#10205 Ontario pubs and restaurants require contact info. Even for patios. Now it's only one person per group and nothing prevents you from giving false information but most people simply give the contact info.
Except when they had a dancer at a strip club test positive earlier this year, and the people doing the contact tracing quickly found that something like 50% of the patrons had provided fake information.
   10211. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 29, 2020 at 12:15 PM (#5986438)
I'm surprised as many as 50% gave real info at a strip club. Honest compliance is probably much higher at nearly any other establishment.
   10212. BrianBrianson Posted: October 29, 2020 at 12:18 PM (#5986440)
So, I haven't dined out much, but I had a beer with some collègues after work in August (patio) ... two beers, and they all ate, and have bought the boy fries at kebab shops a few times in the last few months. I never provided any ID, and sometimes paid in cash.
   10213. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 29, 2020 at 01:20 PM (#5986454)
Wouldn’t the credit card provide reliable identification info on many transactions?
   10214. Greg Pope Posted: October 29, 2020 at 02:18 PM (#5986479)
...and state that they will ignore any state or local emergency orders that they claim violate their rights.


Illinois has said my county needs to go back to more severe restrictions on indoor dining (or maybe a full ban, I can't recall), but my mayor just said that the town was not going to enforce it. This seems problematic, that towns can just ignore the state.
   10215. tshipman Posted: October 29, 2020 at 02:28 PM (#5986489)
Maybe with the re-outbreaks of Europe, we can get a rest from the stupid talking point about how herd immunity was already achieved.
   10216. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 29, 2020 at 02:32 PM (#5986495)
Maybe with the re-outbreaks of Europe, we can get a rest from the stupid talking point about how herd immunity was already achieved.
Welcome to America. You must be new here.
   10217. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: October 29, 2020 at 02:50 PM (#5986512)
If I ever say I am moving to Idaho, someone please remind me of the current ridiculousness...
   10218. Zonk Saw Massive Dumps Posted: October 29, 2020 at 03:13 PM (#5986520)
COVID, COVID, COVID.... that's all you treasonous lot want to talk about.
   10219. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 29, 2020 at 04:24 PM (#5986555)
I voted early today and stopped to get a slice of pizza on the way home. Apparently in NYC if you want to dine inside they now require you to give your name and phone number, and they take your temperature via one of those thermometer guns. I guess this has been going on for a while, it’s just the first time I have seen these indoor dining protocols (I’ve eaten outside a number of times at this point).
   10220. Srul Itza Posted: October 29, 2020 at 09:25 PM (#5986611)
Worldometer is reporting 91,000+ new cases today, which is another record.

We're No 1!
We're No 1!
   10221. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:44 AM (#5986631)
and they take your temperature via one of those thermometer guns.

I was looking for new frames for my glasses earlier this fall and I couldn't get in the door of any shop without having my temperature taken, and I couldn't touch any of the frames. Someone had to get them for me and then wipe down anything we touched before returning it to the rack. That's Houston.
   10222. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:00 AM (#5986632)
Excellent essay from a survivor in South Texas
COVID-19 Is Killing My People—And No One Seems to Care
much richer than the title hints
   10223. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:14 AM (#5986633)
   10224. Ron J Posted: October 30, 2020 at 06:52 AM (#5986635)
#10210 Only 50%? Yeah strip club patrons are often going to lie.
   10225. bunyon Posted: October 30, 2020 at 07:42 AM (#5986636)
I was looking for new frames for my glasses earlier this fall and I couldn't get in the door of any shop without having my temperature taken, and I couldn't touch any of the frames. Someone had to get them for me and then wipe down anything we touched before returning it to the rack. That's Houston.

I haven't read anything solid on surface transmission in awhile. I keep hearing that it's a very minor route to transmission but, then, is that because no one is touching unsanitized surfaces anymore?

We issued thermometers to the students and, apparently, have caught a lot of infections because they notice a fever. Yes, people can be infected without a fever but the temp checks still seem worthwhile to me, given how little cost/invasion it is.
   10226. Zonk Saw Massive Dumps Posted: October 30, 2020 at 08:12 AM (#5986637)
https://twitter.com/GovHerbert/status/1321870599606595584

Gov. Gary Herbert
@GovHerbert
Replying to
@GovHerbert
Our hospitals cannot keep up with Utah’s infection rate. You deserve to understand the dire situation we face.
12:44 PM · Oct 29, 2020·Twitter Web App


Typical Utah... blue state with a Democrat governor trying to lock everyone down and hurt POTUS.
   10227. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 30, 2020 at 08:17 AM (#5986638)
Belgium appears, based on reported deaths, to be having the worst outbreak in Europe again this time around. Like Spain and the UK in April though, it's very likely that other countries, including a number of eastern European countries with smaller outbreaks in April, just aren't reporting covid deaths as inclusively. We have big states in the US (e.g., Texas) that have close to twice as many excess deaths as have been reported, and it's very likely some countries in Europe are as bad or worse.
   10228. base ball chick Posted: October 30, 2020 at 09:59 AM (#5986648)
Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:00 AM (#5986632)

Excellent essay from a survivor in South Texas
COVID-19 Is Killing My People—And No One Seems to Care
correct link
much richer than the title hints


- patiently

"my people" are Those Icky Hispanics in a democrat area with lots of illegals (who never existed until That EVULL Clinton opened the floodgates and invited Them all in) so lots of deaths is good, according to ken paxton, the texas AG who is beyond crooked, and greg abbott, whose interest in humanity is limited to the rich and White, who are either immune or have a mild course like trump

- i am still waiting for someone to talk about why there isn't this problem with covid in the poor White communities or poor Asian communities. talk about crowding and multi-generational living spaces

- there are all these White people who are still insisting that covid doesn't exist, and the people are really dying from their high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity and male-ness. they can't deny that there are actual patients in the hospitals, but they insist that it has nothing to do with virus and they don't care because it isn't mostly Their Sort

- texas is huge and outside of the large cities, mostly White and poor and there are not near enough rural hospitals, and most of those are most definitely not able to handle the large loads of patients, as they have been steadily closed down over the past 10 years in the name of - they don't make enough money, and besides they all poor and so what if they die

in this state, right around 1/4 of our legal resident adults have NO heath care and NO health insurance

   10229. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 30, 2020 at 12:02 PM (#5986662)
There were actually government subsidies for people to eat out in the UK in August?

For the month of August, the government offered diners up a 50% discount of up to 10 pounds ($13.03) per head on meals between Mondays and Wednesdays to kick-start the economy and encourage people to spend money again after the pandemic lockdown.

Between 8% and 17% of newly detected infection clusters could be linked to the scheme during that period, according to the study by the University of Warwick. Areas where there was a high uptake of the scheme saw an increase in new infections about a week after it started, the study found


WTF.

   10230. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 30, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5986664)
El Paso County’s judge has ordered nonessential businesses to close to slow coronavirus spread. The Texas attorney general says he can’t do that.

According to the State's own numbers, over 40% of all staffed hospital beds in the El Paso Trauma Service Area (EP and the two counties to the east) are currently occupied by COVID patients. Clearly the indicted AG in Austin knows better what El Paso needs than do the local officials.

the texas AG who is beyond crooked

And that's not hyperbole. He's been under indictment for the last 5 years for securities fraud and failing to register as a securities advisor for soliciting investments in a company without disclosing that he was being compensated by that company, and keeps filing motions, etc, to delay trial. His wife, who is either equally crooked or equally clueless (or both), is a newly-elected State Senator and one of the first bills she filed, if not the very first, was one to make legal the very things her husband is currently indicted for. What a couple.
   10231. Srul Itza Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:28 PM (#5986676)
I am often led to wonder, ,if the State you are living in does not value you or your life, and in fact endangers them in multiple ways, why don't more people find a more congenial one?

Can that be very difficult, and emotionally wrenching, leaving people and places behind? Yes.

But is that any more than what my grandparents on both sides went through, finding ways to get out of a backward European backwaters and cross an ocean to a country where they did not even speak the language?
   10232. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:37 PM (#5986681)
violent gang initiation caught on film:
Looks like Philly PD smashed the windows of a passing vehicle that was trying to turn around, then dragged the parents out and beat them on the ground in front of their terrified children. [@MrCheckpoint]
pic.twitter.com/dNBf0aLGAf

— Chad Loder (@chadloder) October 28, 2020
   10233. base ball chick Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:48 PM (#5986687)
i'm guessing that the folks in that car were not White. like i told this White man i know IRL, who is complaining about being told he has "white privilege" - i said, if you get pulled over by the cops, do you immediately start praying - please don't shoot med please don't shoot me - because you have no reason to fear getting immediately shot by the police and i would bet it wouldn't even enter your thoughts, or even arrested for looking at a police car "funny" - because you are White. you parents didn't have to give you long lectures warning you about cops. your children don't start crying or screaming when they see a cop walking toward them, gun or no gun..

that poor traumatized child. he gonna have ptsd and need a LOT of counseling which he ain't gonna get unless his folks are rich

which reminds me. i am not understanding why cops don't carry a tranquilizer gun for stuff like obviously mentally ill people with knives or even no weapons in stead of filling them full of bullets
   10234. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:51 PM (#5986688)
which reminds me. i am not understanding why cops don't carry a tranquilizer gun for stuff like obviously mentally ill people with knives or even no weapons in stead of filling them full of bullets

because they'd probably stab someone (who's already been beaten and hogtied, surely) in the head with the needle for shits and giggles.
i'm guessing that the folks in that car were not White. like i told this White man i know IRL, who is complaining about being told he has "white privilege" - i said, if you get pulled over by the cops, do you immediately start praying - please don't shoot med please don't shoot me - because you have no reason to fear getting immediately shot by the police and i would bet it wouldn't even enter your thoughts, or even arrested for looking at a police car "funny" - because you are White. you parents didn't have to give you long lectures warning you about cops. your children don't start crying or screaming when they see a cop walking toward them, gun or no gun..
which immediately reminds me of this guy.
   10235. bunyon Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:58 PM (#5986691)
Can that be very difficult, and emotionally wrenching, leaving people and places behind? Yes.

I assume you know the answer to this: It costs money.

I do know quite a few people with the means to move who do. Mostly within the US, to more hospitable places, but some out of the country.

Emigrating ain't for the poor in the 21st century. I'm honestly not sure how so many Europeans pulled it off in the 19th and early 20th century.
   10236. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:01 PM (#5986693)
I am often led to wonder, ,if the State you are living in does not value you or your life, and in fact endangers them in multiple ways, why don't more people find a more congenial one?


Careful, Srul, you're starting to sound like POTUS.
   10237. tshipman Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:11 PM (#5986695)
I am often led to wonder, ,if the State you are living in does not value you or your life, and in fact endangers them in multiple ways, why don't more people find a more congenial one?

Can that be very difficult, and emotionally wrenching, leaving people and places behind? Yes.

But is that any more than what my grandparents on both sides went through, finding ways to get out of a backward European backwaters and cross an ocean to a country where they did not even speak the language?


Been thinking about this a lot.
   10238. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 30, 2020 at 02:18 PM (#5986697)
I am often led to wonder, ,if the State you are living in does not value you or your life, and in fact endangers them in multiple ways, why don't more people find a more congenial one?
A lot of the time, they're the ones voting for the people endangering their lives.
   10239. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 30, 2020 at 03:07 PM (#5986703)
A lot of the time, they're the ones voting for the people endangering their lives.
"republicans are trying to kill my grandparents, but democrats want to raise texas on the people who are trying to kill my grandparents. both sides, amirite?"
   10240. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 30, 2020 at 03:37 PM (#5986711)

Emigrating ain't for the poor in the 21st century. I'm honestly not sure how so many Europeans pulled it off in the 19th and early 20th century.


Sort of on an installment plan. An extended family would save up, and then send one family member, usually a young man, who would get employment and establish himself in America, and then he'd help the next person emigrate, and so on.

Also, despite the improverishment of many immigrants by American standards, the poorest of the poor by and large weren't able to emigrate.
   10241. Srul Itza Posted: October 30, 2020 at 03:55 PM (#5986717)
Careful, Srul, you're starting to sound like POTUS.


This is a lot older than him.

This IS a country of immigrants and migrants. There has been mass internal migration before, as during the dust bowl. To respond to another post, the people who fled then did so because they did NOT have money.

When the pain gets to be too great, people do leave. My thought is that, in the aggregate, the places they leave are the worst for it, and the places they go to, benefit from their arrival.

I recognize my own privilege -- moving was fairly easy for me. But I know that my grandparents went through a hell of a lot more of an uprooting to get here.
   10242. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 30, 2020 at 05:15 PM (#5986725)
When the pain gets to be too great, people do leave. My thought is that, in the aggregate, the places they leave are the worst for it, and the places they go to, benefit from their arrival.
this is true of all immigration, not just "internal".

my favorite restaurants serve sushi, curry, pho, kalbi, dim sum and each of them have been in business for more than a decade now. these are small businesses, owned by families, which serve amazing food, and none of it could have been possible without liberalized immigration. i know this doesn't apply to everyone (some people just want to eat mayonnaise on wonder bread, with powdered sugar and american cheese), but my life has been made significantly better by the fact that i'm not limited to a choice between applebees, fridays and bennigans when i want to go out to eat (before the world ended, anyway).
   10243. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 30, 2020 at 06:22 PM (#5986736)
Excess deaths and covid deaths are highly correlated by state and week. The strong implication is that the vast majority of excess deaths are related directly to an outbreak of covid, most likely because the people actually died (at least in part) due to having covid. It also highly suggests that the excess deaths are not the result of social distancing measures alone (in the absence of a significant covid outbreak).

We are about to set another high in cases. Could hit 100,000 by worldometer today.
   10244. tshipman Posted: October 30, 2020 at 06:34 PM (#5986737)
Today might be the long feared 100k day on Worldometers.
   10245. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 30, 2020 at 08:38 PM (#5986748)
I am often led to wonder, ,if the State you are living in does not value you or your life, and in fact endangers them in multiple ways, why don't more people find a more congenial one?

Can that be very difficult, and emotionally wrenching, leaving people and places behind? Yes.

But is that any more than what my grandparents on both sides went through, finding ways to get out of a backward European backwaters and cross an ocean to a country where they did not even speak the language?


What U. S. state doesn't exhibit institutional racism? What state doesn't have a fair percentage of trigger-happy racist cops? The difference between one state and another for American Blacks is nothing remotely like the difference in conditions for Jews under the Tsars / Soviets and the conditions for Jews in the United States.

-------------------------

Careful, Srul, you're starting to sound like POTUS.

Or more specifically like his slimeball son-in-law:
Kushner said on "Fox & Friends" that the president can help people in the Black community "break out of the problems that they're complaining about, but he can’t want them to be successful more than they want to be successful."


   10246. Srul Itza Posted: October 30, 2020 at 09:26 PM (#5986753)
What U. S. state doesn't exhibit institutional racism?


What a stupid comment.

So life for an African American in Texas, Mississippi and Alabama is so similar to life in New York, California and Massachusetts, that it makes no difference where they live?

Or more specifically like his slimeball son-in-law:



Fuck you, too. You have become a waste of time.



   10247. Srul Itza Posted: October 30, 2020 at 09:29 PM (#5986754)
Today might be the long feared 100k day on Worldometers.


101,461 at last look
   10248. Ron J Posted: October 30, 2020 at 09:37 PM (#5986755)
#10246 Just figuring that out now? Andy is as much of a troll as SBB. Has been for years.
   10249. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 30, 2020 at 09:38 PM (#5986756)
Also the most worldwide reported deaths since the one-week peak in April. We might hit a new worldwide high next week or the week after.

Doesn't mean that the most daily deaths are happening now though. That could easily have been some day in the summer when India and Mexico, for example, were reporting a ton of deaths, but were probably still undercounting by a factor of 3 or more. That's even more true for new cases, which are reported to be way higher now than they were in the summer, but in reality are probably lower worldwide.
   10250. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 30, 2020 at 10:06 PM (#5986758)
About 2,740,000 deaths through the end of this week in the US. That's about 120,000 less than the full year last year. We should pass that in about 12-13 days. Well pass the expected number for 2020 a few days after that.
   10251. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 30, 2020 at 10:44 PM (#5986759)
So life for an African American in Texas, Mississippi and Alabama is so similar to life in New York, California and Massachusetts, that it makes no difference where they live?

Not as much as you seem to believe. The highest unemployment rate for African Americans is in Michigan. Overall there's no discernible difference in the unemployment rate between North and South. And the racial gap in net worth / wealth is enormous all over the country, not just in the South. But maybe you think that institutional racism only exists below the Mason-Dixon line.

Racist cops are everywhere. Some of the worst are in cities like New York, Chicago and Minneapolis. Boston's racism can hold its own against many southern cities. So can Staten Island's, and certain parts of Queens and Brooklyn.

The point isn't that for a select class of African Americans, there aren't greater opportunities in the North. But the same holds true for a comparable class of Whites, and you aren't telling them to Love It Or Leave It.

Or more specifically like his slimeball son-in-law:

Fuck you, too. You have become a waste of time.


Then put me on Ignore and don't waste any more time. I'll manage to survive.

I'm sorry if the comparison to Jared Kushner offended you, but your facile prescription for Blacks to improve themselves sure didn't sound all that different from his.
   10252. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 31, 2020 at 12:45 AM (#5986783)

This IS a country of immigrants and migrants. There has been mass internal migration before, as during the dust bowl. To respond to another post, the people who fled then did so because they did NOT have money.

When the pain gets to be too great, people do leave. My thought is that, in the aggregate, the places they leave are the worst for it, and the places they go to, benefit from their arrival.


I recently read Isabel Wilkerson's "The Warmth of Other Suns", about the Great Migration of blacks from the South to the North and the West Coast and there is extensive discussion of this topic. It's a complex question but one clear point was that blacks who left the South tended to be better educated than those who stayed behind.

It struck me how similar the migration stories were to those you hear about other immigrant waves to the US (even though blacks weren't "immigrating" from the Deep South -- their families have been in this country longer than just about anyone's). Blacks however faced some unique barriers and obstacles in the North that my forebears from Eastern Europe did not.
   10253. BrianBrianson Posted: October 31, 2020 at 07:10 AM (#5986797)
i am not understanding why cops don't carry a tranquilizer gun for stuff like obviously mentally ill people with knives or even no weapons in stead of filling them full of bullets


Tranquiliser guns don't work in real life like they do in the movies; they can easily take 10-30 minutes until the person passes out, and their behaviour may be even more erratic while they're drugged but not passed out. Higher doses can make it faster, but dosing depends on a lot of factors, and you can easily overdose and die if you take too much.

Really, it'd be not much different to Tazer guns, possibly with both a higher chance it does nothing and a higher chance you kill the person.
   10254. BrianBrianson Posted: October 31, 2020 at 07:17 AM (#5986798)
Beyond that, moving is expensive and getting a job far from where you live ain't easy.

My original contract was supposed to expire today. I've managed to finagle a one year extension, but had given some thought to what I'd do if I couldn't find a job by the time my current position expired. I wouldn't be able to stay in France, but moving somewhere permanently without a job lined up just seems absolutely nuts. You'll burn through moving expenses, have higher living expenses, and run a very real risk you'll just be stuck in a worse situation; still unemployed, but now poorer, with less local friends and family to get support from.
   10255. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: October 31, 2020 at 07:24 AM (#5986799)
There were actually government subsidies for people to eat out in the UK in August


There were, and there's a mini-argument going on right now as to whether it contributed to increased infection rates during August. I can't see how it wouldn't, to be honest, especially as there doesn't seem to have been any incentive for people to eat outside rather than inside - while outdoor seating and pub gardens exist in the UK, I see less of it than in other countries nearby. Interestingly, in Germany there was a 500m EUR fund set up for outdoor heating to be made available to restaurants over the winter to try to mitigate the economic damage done to the industry. Even the Green party spoke in favour of it, despite the negative environmental impact.
   10256. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 31, 2020 at 10:44 AM (#5986802)
Higher doses can make it faster, but dosing depends on a lot of factors, and you can easily overdose and die if you take too much.

Yes, this. Cops are not medical professionals, and there have been cases of people dying when administered sedatives while in police custody.
   10257. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 31, 2020 at 11:10 AM (#5986805)
Some states like Mississippi and Louisiana normally have a higher mortality rate than others, like California. It's not age-related either, as those two states are slightly younger than average for the USA.

Another way to compare states is to weight excess deaths by percent of population over 65, since covid is so much more deadly for the older age ranges. Doing it this way as well shows the following:

                  percent          total        scaled
                  above            per          to USA
                  expected         thousand     average

D.C.              +36.5%           1.95         2.50

New York          +42.5%           2.20         2.15
New Jersey        +38.5%           2.10         2.10
Louisiana         +28.0%           1.85         1.90
Mississippi       +27.0%           1.90         1.90

Connecticut       +28.5%           1.60         1.50
North Dakota      +22.0%           1.40         1.45

Texas             +22.0%           1.05         1.35
Arizona           +25.0%           1.40         1.30
Alabama           +19.0%           1.35         1.30

Georgia           +20.5%           1.10         1.25
South Carolina    +21.5%           1.40         1.25
Michigan          +22.0%           1.35         1.25
Maryland          +21.5%           1.20         1.25
Delaware          +22.0%           1.40         1.20
Massachusetts     +22.0%           1.25         1.20
Illinois          +21.0%           1.15         1.20

Rhode Island      +19.0%           1.25         1.15
Arkansas          +17.5%           1.20         1.15
South Dakota      +18.0%           1.10         1.05
Missouri          +15.0%           1.05         1.00
Tennessee         +14.0%           1.00         1.00

Florida           +18.5%           1.20         0.95
New Mexico        +16.5%           1.00         0.90
Vermont           +19.0%           1.10         0.90
Pennsylvania      +15.0%           1.00         0.90
Montana           +15.0%           1.00         0.85

USA               +18.6%           1.05         1.05
   10258. base ball chick Posted: October 31, 2020 at 12:12 PM (#5986809)
Srul Itza Posted: October 30, 2020 at 01:28 PM (#5986676)

I am often led to wonder, ,if the State you are living in does not value you or your life, and in fact endangers them in multiple ways, why don't more people find a more congenial one?

Can that be very difficult, and emotionally wrenching, leaving people and places behind? Yes.

But is that any more than what my grandparents on both sides went through, finding ways to get out of a backward European backwaters and cross an ocean to a country where they did not even speak the language


- let me ask you this first: what state is it that values my life as it would yours (assuming you were just working class)? what country?

houston texas is a pretty good place to live if you are not White - look at our demographics and compare them to Montgomery county just north of us: 83.5% White, 4.3% Black or African American, 0.7% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 7.0% from other races, and 2.3% from two or more races. 20.8% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. (guess which county enforces mask rules and which county has opened the bars and restaurants because their demographic is "immune")

anyway, lets suppose me and Husband agree to move, i'm not leaving without him, to say, massachussetts. where, exactly, do we go? we don't know anyone there except 3 guys i know from a baseball board (and nice guys all, but they are not gonna have me and Husband move in with them until we can find jobs). we leave behind all of our family and our children, our friends. even if we both manage to find jobs, tough in this economy, how are we gonna afford the higher cost of living on the same income - that is, if i could even find a job that pays as much as mine does now, which isn't exactly attorney type income.

- but where exactly IS it where Black people are treated like White people? or even better than in Harris county? if you mean leave the country, well, we don't qualify as refugees and even if we did, living in a refugee camp is not better than what we already have. what country is wanting Black immigrants who are not white collar and are bringing no money with them?

- it is not simple the way you say

as for your grandparents, i don't know how much they had to bring with them, but at the time they came over, there were already lots of eastern european Jews emigrating, and when they got to NY, there was a large Jewish community waiting for them to get them even a room in a tenement, and your granddad SOME kind of job (maybe even your grandmother - i would guess she could have gotten a job in some kind of women only factory) they would not have even had to learn a new language to survive. they did not sail over in 1720 when there were basically NO Jews, especially the eastern european kind, and have to deal with western europeans who didn't, um, think real too much of Jews, especially dressed VERY differently, not speaking english. AND they would have been the ONLY ones, too. where would they be welcomed or even tolerated? what kind of work could they do then?

   10259. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 31, 2020 at 12:44 PM (#5986812)
- but where exactly IS it where Black people are treated like White people? or even better than in Harris county? if you mean leave the country, well, we don't qualify as refugees and even if we did, living in a refugee camp is not better than what we already have. what country is wanting Black immigrants who are not white collar and are bringing no money with them?
liberia?

wyoming only has ~600,000 residents. any number of groups (blacks, gays, furries, scientologists) could probably pull a mormon and swamp the local population until they assert demographic supremacy.
   10260. Ron J Posted: October 31, 2020 at 12:53 PM (#5986815)
#10259 Reminds me about the old joke about (National Guard iirc) diversity recruiting in North Dakota.

If we find a young black man we will attempt to recruit him.
   10261. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 31, 2020 at 03:34 PM (#5986832)
Four researchers at Stanford University’s Department of Economics joined forces to study whether President Donald Trump’s rallies led to a surge in COVID-19 infections. Their answer? An unequivocal yes. According to their research, 18 rallies held between June 20 and September 22 led to more than 30,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19. The researchers also concluded that the rallies “likely led” to more than 700 deaths, although not necessarily among those who attended the events.

   10262. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 31, 2020 at 03:35 PM (#5986833)
UK and Austria also announced 4-week shutdowns today.
   10263. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 31, 2020 at 05:58 PM (#5986854)
dp
   10264. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 31, 2020 at 05:59 PM (#5986855)
NPR has obtained documents that give a snapshot of data the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services collects and analyzes daily. The documents [...] paint a granular picture of the strain on hospitals across the country that could help local citizens decide when to take extra precautions against COVID-19.

Withholding this information from the public and the research community is a missed opportunity to help prevent outbreaks and even save lives, say public health and data experts who reviewed the documents for NPR.

The documents show that detailed information hospitals report to HHS every day is reviewed and analyzed — but circulation seems to be limited to a few dozen government staffers from HHS and its agencies, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and National Institutes of Health, according to distribution lists reviewed by NPR. Only one member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, Adm. Brett Giroir, appears to receive the documents directly.

Hospitalization data is invaluable in looking ahead to see where and when outbreaks are getting worse, says Dr. Christopher Murray, director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington. "Right now, as we head into the fall and winter surge," Murray says, "we're trying to put more emphasis on predicting where systems will be overwhelmed."

But what's missing for this kind of planning, he says, is "exactly the information" that appears in the internal report.



even when republicanism isn't actively trying to kill us, they're so paranoid of any kind of neutral information that they're still passively killing us.
   10265. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 31, 2020 at 06:23 PM (#5986856)

10258 you make a lot of good points. I would say that historically it is not people our age who migrate...it is usually people who are younger, have fewer attachments / responsibilities where they live, and are seeking better economic opportunities. I wouldn’t expect a middle aged couple with decent jobs and kids to pick up and move. But it would be more common for their kids to move if they think there are better opportunities elsewhere.
   10266. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 31, 2020 at 07:29 PM (#5986859)
10258 you make a lot of good points. I would say that historically it is not people our age who migrate...it is usually people who are younger, have fewer attachments / responsibilities where they live, and are seeking better economic opportunities. I wouldn’t expect a middle aged couple with decent jobs and kids to pick up and move. But it would be more common for their kids to move if they think there are better opportunities elsewhere.

when you put it this way, the middle class just sends their kids to college now, instead of off to the oregon trail.
   10267. Mayor Blomberg Posted: November 01, 2020 at 01:33 AM (#5986925)
‘A whole lot of hurt’: Fauci warns of covid-19 surge, offers blunt assessment of Trump’s response

“I have real problems with that guy,” Fauci said of Atlas. “He’s a smart guy who’s talking about things that I believe he doesn’t have any real insight or knowledge or experience in. He keeps talking about things that when you dissect it out and parse it out, it doesn’t make any sense.”
Fauci said he actually appreciated chief of staff Mark Meadows saying last weekend on CNN that the administration was not going to control the pandemic. “I tip my hat to him for admitting the strategy,” he said. “He is straightforward in telling you what’s on his mind. I commend him for that.”
   10268. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 01, 2020 at 10:15 AM (#5986933)
About 2,740,000 deaths through the end of this week in the US. That's about 120,000 less than the full year last year. We should pass that in about 12-13 days. Well pass the expected number for 2020 a few days after that.

AuntBea, where do you see the 2,740,000 number? I see a much lower one at the CDC website (which obviously has a reporting lag effect).
   10269. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 01, 2020 at 10:35 AM (#5986935)
AuntBea, where do you see the 2,740,000 number?
From the CDC excess death .xls file, which has projected deaths up through 10/10, and extrapolating out through 10/31, and adjusting more correctly for lag.

Even if you use the CDC's own numbers for lag, and assume 5000 excess deaths for the last 3 weeks (almost certainly way too low, but it's a starting point), you get over 2,700,000 deaths for the year.
   10270. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 01, 2020 at 02:07 PM (#5986941)
Scott Atlas gave an interview to Russian State TV (RT, Putin's propaganda channel), a registered foreign agent, from the White House grounds.
   10271. Mayor Blomberg Posted: November 01, 2020 at 06:17 PM (#5986964)
10270 - Gotta reach the base, wherever it is.
And, yes, death cult.
   10272. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: November 01, 2020 at 07:41 PM (#5986969)
Americans have learned to cherish norms in their absence. It makes perfect sense, then, that many of us now regard norms as precious things to be restored and preserved; we have learned through bitter experience how painful and corrosive it is to lose them.

The trouble is, those norms remain lost. We cannot ameliorate their destruction by scrupulously respecting their gravestones and paying homage to the limits they once exerted on political action. There is no future in American politics where Republicans sincerely respect norms again; that contract was shredded by the party as a whole, not just Trump. The damage deserves to be mourned, but it cannot be undone. Electing Joe Biden does not magically revert us back to where we were before, no matter how many times Biden himself insists that bipartisan collaboration is his goal. Democratic respect for norms is a defense mechanism protecting us from despair over what this country can become when one party descends into savagery. But it is 100 percent maladaptive. It’s a sentiment that prioritizes a deprecated proceduralism that cannot be recovered over effects that are anathema to Democratic principles and beliefs. Playing hardball in response to Republican thuggery is essential—not simply to even the playing field or to protect civil rights but to save the planet by doing something about climate change. The stakes are not political; they are existential.

   10273. Mayor Blomberg Posted: November 01, 2020 at 07:50 PM (#5986970)
President Donald Trump on Saturday night appeared to embrace the actions of supporters in Texas who surrounded a Joe Biden campaign bus in what a Biden campaign official described as an attempt to slow down the bus and run it off the road.


Apparently police and arrest for such behavior -- with or withoutpepper spray, rubber bullets, and beatings -- doesn't apply to white folks in Texas, CSA.

And, no I am not surprised. Best hope is fairly quick and painful death by covid for the mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers.
   10274. base ball chick Posted: November 01, 2020 at 08:30 PM (#5986974)
like i tell folks not from here - our cities are mostly decent folks, the rest is right wing racists/misogynists who want to go back in time to before the civil war. unsurprised they tried to run a bus full of people off the road and unsurprised the cops did zero
   10275. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: November 02, 2020 at 02:02 AM (#5986984)
Nick pants @stnap_kcin
this is amazing garbage
https://twitter.com/stnap_kcin/status/1323090765426368512
   10276. MY PAIN IS NOT A HOLIDAY (CoB). Posted: November 02, 2020 at 07:25 AM (#5986987)
From the Graun blog:

```Here’s a reminder of that incident at Trump’s rally yesterday where the crowd started shouting “Fire Fauci!”. Dr Anthony Fauci has served for more than three decades as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and has been critical of the administration’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak.

During the midnight rally in Florida, which broke local anti-coronavirus curfew rules, the president allowed the chant to continue for several seconds before responding: ‘Don’t tell anybody, but let me wait until a little bit after the election.’```
   10277. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 02, 2020 at 08:04 AM (#5986990)
Trump's few words signal something way worse than that. Upset at not being able to fire Fauci, Trump intends to reclassify 100,000 civil service positions effectively as being at the pleasure of the president so he can fire all of them. In fact, he has already issued an executive order to do just that, though it will take some time to go into effect. If Trump wins re-election, the executive branch will be gutted of anyone that isn't a Trump sycophant.
   10278. Zonk Saw Massive Dumps Posted: November 02, 2020 at 09:36 AM (#5987001)
If tomorrow (and subsequent) goes the way the data says it should, then we are in for a very perilous few months in a lot of different ways.

And that, of course, is the upside.
   10279. Mayor Blomberg Posted: November 02, 2020 at 07:13 PM (#5987085)
and with the national guard mobilizing in advance of election results, it's more certain than ever that I'm living in a third-world country.
   10280. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 02, 2020 at 11:27 PM (#5987106)
Lisa, you asked a couple times about my Dad. thanks for asking. Its hard to respond, so I didn't.

I last posted 3 weeks ago, when we were staying one step ahead of medicare mob. We found a good rehab center that would put him in skilled nursing and work with him. They've reached the same conclusion as the last place, that he isn't improving fast enough. So I guess his medicare coverage would run out. We like this place, but they don't have a LTC bed for him.

We had to find a new place for at worst LTC. Now we suddenly have a new rehab center that is hot to get him in skilled nursing and try and get medicare to pay. And if they can't get medicare to pay, the per-day rate for long term care is lower than the other places.

Ugh. My update is accidentally bullshit about dealing with the medical-industrial complex. I'm 8 sentences in and haven't actually talked about dad's health. Sad state of dealing with health issues nowadays.

Dad isn't doing well. He has one good limb, his left arm. He isn't improving as quickly as they want. He is hopefully going to another skilled nursing, but he seems destined for LTC. I think he is mentally done with it all. He is probably moving later this week. The last move seemed hard on him. ### this all.



   10281. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: November 03, 2020 at 08:19 AM (#5987122)
Damn, BLB, that sucks.
   10282. Ron J Posted: November 03, 2020 at 08:20 AM (#5987123)
#10280 Words fail me. Hang in there.
   10283. bunyon Posted: November 03, 2020 at 09:28 AM (#5987131)
Very sorry, BLB. Hang in there.
   10284. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 03, 2020 at 11:52 AM (#5987142)
Thanks all. This sucks. Vote the bastards out today.
   10285. Mayor Blomberg Posted: November 03, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5987143)
Condolences, Barry, for all you and your family have ben through. Keep strong
   10286. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: November 04, 2020 at 08:11 AM (#5987198)
David Andahl, a Republican candidate for the North Dakota state legislature, won election on Tuesday, but the 55 year old won’t be taking office. Unfortunately, Andahl died of the coronavirus last month.

Andahl, who was known as a “Trump Republican,” died of covid on October 5, according a report last month in the Bismark Tribune. Mail-in voting started on September 24, which meant that ballots in the central North Dakota district couldn’t be changed under state law.

...It seems most people in North Dakota’s District 8 decided they’d rather vote for a dead guy than for a Democrat.

...Andahl was only sick for just four days before he was hospitalized and succumbed to the disease according to his mother, who spoke with the Bismark Tribune

...Andahl had no spouse and no children, though his dog Hank “was the love of his life,” according to the Tribune.
   10287. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: November 04, 2020 at 01:55 PM (#5987224)
Mark Deeks @MarkDeeksNBA

Every time one of Trump's tweets gets flagged for being misinformation, I am reminded that the person doing that flag was the woman who played the decoy in the first series of To Catch A Predator and enter a particularly confusing headspace.
   10288. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 04, 2020 at 03:41 PM (#5987259)

The biggest upset of the election is that there has been no BBTF politics flame war (so far).
   10289. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 04, 2020 at 03:48 PM (#5987263)

BLB I'm sorry to hear about your father's continued difficulties. It's one of the cruelties of our healthcare system that when people should be focused on their health, they are instead burdened by a byzantine and arbitrary system of bills and red tape.
   10290. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 04, 2020 at 03:57 PM (#5987266)
A Fox news poll had 72% of the country interested to have a government health care plan. But the country votes 48% republican anyway, to own the libs, or something.

Today will have the highest worldwide reported deaths for the coronavirus. A lot of that currently is from a dump by Spain (!600+), but even with a fraction of that number we would have probably hit a new high today. Lots of countries in Europe are already approaching peaks half as high as in March/April.
   10291. Ron J Posted: November 04, 2020 at 06:20 PM (#5987312)
#10288. I'd imagine most of the usual suspects are on Discord.
   10292. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: November 04, 2020 at 06:27 PM (#5987313)
Just a bunch of fretting going on in discord
   10293. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 04, 2020 at 07:57 PM (#5987316)
Despite the quickly rising catastrophe, the CDC's latest numbers for total deaths reported lag so much that they added no more than would have been expected (effectively no excess deaths) for the last week. Basically makes their current numbers useless, again. Hopefully this doesn't become a pattern.
   10294. Srul Itza Posted: November 04, 2020 at 08:17 PM (#5987318)
10290: And per Worldometer we are over 100,000 cases and 1,138 fatalities today.

With the last Trump rallies, Halloween, voting, and Thanksgiving coming up, there are going to be a lot of events that will push the numbers higher.
   10295. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: November 05, 2020 at 08:12 AM (#5987337)
First week of 'lockdown light' over here in Germany. I'm seeing nearly 50% of people outside wearing masks in my morning stroll. Many are probably going into schools or shops very soon, so it might just be a time-saver, but I wonder also if colder weather is making it less uncomfortable, relatively speaking. Since there's apparently a very, very low risk of infection outside unless everyone's standing around for hours on end, I'm guessing there won't be a mandate to follow suit.
   10296. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 05, 2020 at 08:29 AM (#5987338)
Went to midtown manhattan on monday. 90% of people were wearing masks outdoors, and 95% of the people in the Subway system. I didn't see many other people inside (maybe 20-30), but 100% of them were wearing masks.
   10297. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 05, 2020 at 08:40 AM (#5987340)
Though it's not indicative of much considering the extra lack of reporting the last couple weeks by the CDC, posting this here to keep track
                  week ending     weeks          total
Date of           actual date     back           deaths
report            of death                       recorded

8/26              8/22            1              15,268
9/02              8/29            1              16,387
9/09              9/05            1              11,500 (approximate. post-Labor Day effect)
9/16              9/12            1              14,321 (lingering post-Labor Day effect)
9/23              9/19            1              15,491
9/30              9/26            1              16,957 
10/07             10/03           1              17,485
10/14             10/10           1              14,788 (post-Columbus Day effect)
10/21             10/17           1              17,073 (probably some lingering post-Columbus Day effect)
10/28             10/24           1              17,510
11/04             10/31           1              15,243 (election lag)

9/02              8/22            2              38,041
9/09              8/29            2              34,320 (post-Labor Day)
9/16              9/12            2              33,560 (lingering post-Labor Day effect)
9/23              9/12            2              36,423
9/30              9/19            2              38,746
10/07             9/26            2              39,849
10/14            10/03            2              37,639 (post-Columbus Day)
10/21            10/10            2              40,348 (probably some lingering post-Columbus Day effect)
10/28            10/17            2              39,512 (almost certainly reflecting the extra lag this week)
11/04            10/24            2              39,237 (election lag)

9/09              8/22            3              48,804 (post-Labor Day effect)
9/16              8/29            3              46,945 (lingering post-Labor Day effect)
9/23              9/05            3              47.160
9/30              9/12            3              48,073
10/07             9/19            3              48,899
10/14             9/26            3              49,078 (post-Columbus Day)
10/21            10/03            3              48,959 (probably some lingering post-Columbus Day effect)
10/28            10/10            3              50,172 (almost certainly reflecting the extra lag this week)
11/04            10/17            3              48,738 (election lag)

9/16              8/22            4              53,771
9/23              8/29            4              52,810
9/30              9/05            4              52,108
10/07             9/12            4              52,022
10/14             9/19            4              52,230
10/21             9/26            4              53,087
10/28            10/03            4              52,476 (almost certainly reflecting the extra lag this week)
11/04            10/10            4              53,899 (election lag)

9/23              8/22            5              56,502
9/30              8/29            5              55,288
10/07             9/05            5              54,246
10/14             9/12            5              53,766
10/21             9/19            5              54,195         
10/28             9/26            5              55,216   
11/04            10/03            5              54,236 (election lag)  

9/30              8/22            6              58,092
10/07             8/29            6              56,629
10/14             9/05            6              55,299
10/21             9/12            6              55,225
10/28             9/19            6              55,339
11/04             9/26            6              56,415

10/07             8/22            7              59,155
10/14             8/29            7              57,340
10/21             9/05            7              56,483
10/28             9/12            7              56,130
11/04             9/19            7              55,992

10/14             8/22            8              59,922
10/21             8/29            8              58,097
10/28             9/05            8              57,230
11/04             9/12            8              56,545

10/21             8/22            9              60,555
10/28             8/29            9              58,710
11/04             9/05            9              57,628

10/28             8/22           10              60,908
11/04             8/29           10              59.086

11/04             8/22           11              61,161
   10298. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 05, 2020 at 05:33 PM (#5987425)
The conspiracy theories that the virus will disappear on November 4 didn't come true. Sadly for all of us.

A corollary is whether trumpists will have lest invested in denialism after trump's defeat. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be nice.
   10299. Srul Itza Posted: November 05, 2020 at 05:39 PM (#5987426)
Meanwhile, another 100,000+ day from Worldometer, and probably another 1,000 fatalities.

   10300. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 05, 2020 at 06:06 PM (#5987432)
The conspiracy theories that the virus will disappear on November 4 didn't come true. Sadly for all of us.
On behalf of Teh Librul Conspiracy, I can confirm that we are waiting to stop Covid until all of the votes are counted, Biden is declared the winner and Trump is officially gone. There may of course be some time lag between those, especially with respect to the last one.
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