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Tuesday, April 28, 2020

Empty Stadium Sports Will Be Really Weird

So, with the very likely possibility that baseball and basketball — at minimum — will be played to empty stadiums, it begs the question: Will it be as fun?

And before you answer, think about it for a second. No crowd noise. No intensity that builds for the home team or against the away team. Yes, the scoreboard will tell the tale, but the pressure is cranked up when you have a building full of crazy fans screaming their lungs out.

I get that it’s a business and that the money’s at the ML level, but considering crowds, distance from population centers, and the pleasures of relaxed fandom, I’ve been thinking that we might just run some mLs instead.

Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 28, 2020 at 10:17 AM | 11906 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   11701. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 13, 2021 at 05:21 PM (#5999581)
Republican Cal. Rep. David Valadao voted for impeachment.

“President Trump was, without question, a driving force in the catastrophic events that took place on January 6 by encouraging masses of rioters to incite violence on elected officials, staff members, and our representative democracy as a whole," he said in the video.
OK, so far so good...

“I voted to impeach President Trump. His inciting rhetoric was un-American, abhorrent, and absolutely an impeachable offense. It’s time to put country over politics," he said.
Yep...

“Speaker Pelosi has thrown precedent and process out the window by turning what should be a thorough investigation into a rushed political stunt. I wish, more than anything, that we had more time to hold hearings to ensure due process," the video continued. “Unfortunately, Speaker Pelosi did not afford us that option.”
Just couldn't possibly do it without being a dick, could you?
   11702. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: January 13, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#5999585)
I wish, more than anything, that we had more time to hold hearings to ensure due process,"
Impeachments are serious. You can't treat it like a Supreme Court appointment.
   11703. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 13, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#5999586)
10 Republican votes for impeachment. So, 202 Republican Congresspeople are OK with this. 202. Two hundred and two. 95 percent. Nine-five.
   11704. Tony S Posted: January 13, 2021 at 05:34 PM (#5999587)

Many of the Republicans would claim in their floor speeches that "Trump must be held accountable"-- and then, in their votes, proceeded to... not hold him accountable.

How utterly morally bankrupt and anti-American the GOP has become.
   11705. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 13, 2021 at 05:39 PM (#5999588)
The same Republicans who blamed Islamic clerics for inspiring Islamic terrorism refuse to hold Trump responsible for inspiring the attack on the Capitol. Cruz says proposals to impeach the president or remove him through the 25th Amendment are just “vindictiveness” and “partisan spite” from people who “hate Donald Trump.” Jordan says impeachment would be a slap at the “75 million Americans who supported the president.” Issa brushes off Trump’s incendiary rhetoric as a “misstep,” and he argues that impeachment would be “kicking him when he’s down.” When an interviewer asked Issa whether Trump bore any responsibility for the violence at the Capitol, the congressman pleaded, “I don’t make it my practice to judge anything other than the outcome.”
...
After four years of inquisitions into the deaths of four Americans in Libya, they’re accusing Democrats, in Issa’s words, of “overplaying a lot of things, including the death of these people on Capitol Hill.” Republicans stand firmly against terrorism, it seems, until the terrorists are Republicans.
   11706. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 13, 2021 at 05:58 PM (#5999593)
10 Republican votes for impeachment. So, 202 Republican Congresspeople are OK with this. 202. Two hundred and two. 95 percent. Nine-five.

and someone will show up to say, BUT THAT'S TWICE AS MANY AS YOU THOUGHT!!!!1111!!!ELEVENTY!!!!!

Someone alluded to Lucy and the football the yesterday or the day before, and so it ever is.

How about in place of party closure the RICO Laws?
   11707. Tony S Posted: January 13, 2021 at 06:01 PM (#5999594)
Someone alluded to Lucy and the football the yesterday or the day before, and so it ever is.


Well, we need witnesses and stuff for the Senate trial. That takes time. A lot of time.
   11708. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 13, 2021 at 06:08 PM (#5999595)
we need witnesses and stuff for the Senate trial

Too bad there are no tapes of what Trump said, or documentation of why the NG took so long, or Republicans who had to hole up in the Capitol. Maybe then the vote would have been different.

ETA: Let's see if the Ditch the ##### vote on Lynne Cheney draws more.
   11709. Tony S Posted: January 13, 2021 at 06:26 PM (#5999602)

Charlie Sykes unearthed this quote from Ulysses Grant:

"If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other." -- Ulysses S. Grant
   11710. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 13, 2021 at 06:34 PM (#5999603)
lousy as preznit, fine as seer.
   11711. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 13, 2021 at 06:41 PM (#5999606)
I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's


Fun fact: the Mason-Dixon line was not the border between Union and Confederacy but between free and slave states. Maryland and Delaware were south the the Mason-Dixon line, but never joined the CSA.
   11712. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 13, 2021 at 06:59 PM (#5999611)
CDC is still way, way behind counting deaths, but even so has about 460,000 excess deaths through December 19 (with the numbers through that week still only partially reported). Seems likely when their estimate for 2020 will be around 525,000 a month or two from now. Mine will probably end up a little over 500,000.
   11713. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 13, 2021 at 07:08 PM (#5999615)
Fun fact: the Mason-Dixon line was not the border between Union and Confederacy but between free and slave states. Maryland and Delaware were south the the Mason-Dixon line, but never joined the CSA.

the Jersey coast south of Barnegat; Glassboro including Stockton State, or Rowan as it's now called. Drawn to settle the border between aMD and PA and to give Pynchon a platform for a wonderful novel.
   11714. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 13, 2021 at 07:19 PM (#5999617)
"If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other." -- Ulysses S. Grant
Eh, a little from column A, a little from column B...
   11715. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 13, 2021 at 07:37 PM (#5999621)
Hospitalization seem to be on the decline now, finally, or at least at a plateau and poised for decreases, especially if vaccinations are effective.
   11716. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 13, 2021 at 07:40 PM (#5999622)
I was pretty skeptical about that quote from Grant, but it appears to be legit.
   11717. Ron J Posted: January 13, 2021 at 08:20 PM (#5999627)
#11715 The data from Brazil shows Sinovac is far less effective in practice than was claimed. Not sure it tells us anything (as it's not in play in the US or Canada) other than it pays to take vendor claims with a grain of salt.

I'm still pretty confident of the effectiveness of the ones available in North America. Moderately confident that the side effects will be acceptable and ... moderately concerned about the actual roll out.
   11718. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 13, 2021 at 08:36 PM (#5999628)
I shared this in another thread, but a few days ago NY State opened up vaccinations to people age 65+. My parents now are eligible, but when they went online to make an appointment, the earliest available locally was in April. However, since then they and their friends have basically been calling around to different hospitals (Lassus likened the process to trying to score hot concert tickets in the 90s, which after listening to my parents describe it is exactly what it sounds like). They were eventually able to make an appointment one county over for next week.

My father-in-law got the first dose in FL last week. We were a little worried about him because he has very severe allergies (to various foods and bee stings), but he had no adverse reaction to the vaccine. So that’s a good sign as well.
   11719. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 13, 2021 at 08:50 PM (#5999630)
Good news for your family, Dave. I'll be 65 in 2.5 years and I'm sure I'll have gotten it by then. :)
   11720. catomi01 Posted: January 13, 2021 at 09:11 PM (#5999637)
"If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other." -- Ulysses S. Grant
Eh, a little from column A, a little from column B...


Grant made the mistake of thinking patriotism entailed wanting what's best for the country, not the modern version that means what's best for the Republican party.
   11721. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: January 13, 2021 at 09:24 PM (#5999640)
10 Republican votes for impeachment. So, 202 Republican Congresspeople are OK with this. 202. Two hundred and two. 95 percent. Nine-five.


First, you subtract one for Boebert. She's so big on the Trump playbook I think she's angling to be his next wife. As for many of the rest, I don't even think it's party over country and it's instead about making certain they appease the voters back home.
   11722. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 13, 2021 at 09:31 PM (#5999641)
As for many of the rest, I don't even think it's party over country and it's instead about making certain they appease the voters back home.
Oh, ok. No problem then.
   11723. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: January 13, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#5999642)
Oh, ok. No problem then.


No defense of it here. Just noting I think a bunch of it is the usual "once in power just stay in power" mentality even more than standing by elephant- (or donkey-) decorated laundry.
   11724. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 13, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#5999646)
11723 - Keep the donors happy, aka just following hors d'oeuvres.
   11725. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 13, 2021 at 11:08 PM (#5999650)
Two hundred and two.
197, actually.
   11726. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: January 13, 2021 at 11:19 PM (#5999652)
Clapper stands proudly with the 4 non-voters.
   11727. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: January 14, 2021 at 08:13 AM (#5999670)
Clapper stands proudly with the 4 non-voters.


You misspelled "passive-aggressively".
   11728. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2021 at 08:27 AM (#5999672)
Congressman Tom Rice from South Carolina, who represents a heavily Trump-friendly district and was one of the 10 R's who voted for impeachment:

Once the violence began, when the Capitol was under siege, when the Capitol Police were being beaten and killed, and when the Vice President and the Congress were being locked down, the President was watching and tweeted about the Vice President’s lack of courage.

For hours while the riot continued, the President communicated only on Twitter and offered only weak requests for restraint.

...

I have backed this President through thick and thin for four years. I campaigned for him and voted for him twice. But, this utter failure is inexcusable.


It wasn't that hard. Most Republicans are just gutless cowards, that's all.
   11729. Ron J Posted: January 14, 2021 at 10:15 AM (#5999699)
Washington Post is reporting Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani.
   11730. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: January 14, 2021 at 10:15 AM (#5999700)
Your European Covid update for the day: Sweden has announced 351 more Covid deaths. For perspective, adjusted for population, this would be the rough equivalent of over 11,000 deaths for the US population announced in 24 hours.

There's plenty of room for interpretation here, as Sweden, more than most nations, seems to report deaths weeks or even months later, and doesn't report 7 days a week. But still, hardly strong support for the remaining 'Sweden found the magic formula' crowd. (Toby Young, kind of a crappier British Ben Shapiro(!), has today deleted most of his 2020 Tweets claiming that a second wave wasn't happening, and touting various "lockdown sceptics" as being the only ones with the right analysis.)

Scandianvian update:

Sweden: 1,005 deaths/million
Denmark: 286
Finland: 111
Norway: 94
Iceland: 85
   11731. reech Posted: January 14, 2021 at 11:09 AM (#5999714)
Washington Post is reporting Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani.


Ha ha ha- This made me laugh out loud- so typical. He squandered his legacy and didn't even get paid!!!!!!!!
   11732. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 14, 2021 at 11:10 AM (#5999715)
Washington Post is reporting Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani

Nobody could have predicted...

I really hope Rudy sues him for payment — if nothing else, the potential comedic value of such litigation is off the charts.
   11733. SoSH U at work Posted: January 14, 2021 at 11:30 AM (#5999717)
Based on the quality of his lawyering over the past 12 months, you could make an argument Rudy G. has been worth every penny Trump is going to pay him.
   11734. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 14, 2021 at 11:50 AM (#5999722)
I really hope Rudy sues him for payment — if nothing else, the potential comedic value of such litigation is off the charts.

with Michael Cohen testifying for both sides!

ETAsk: And what turned Alan Dershowitz into such a total scumbag?
   11735. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 14, 2021 at 12:08 PM (#5999729)
Clearly the McConnell crime family is s going to be the party of Nothing To See Here
   11736. Ron J Posted: January 14, 2021 at 12:30 PM (#5999735)
#11734 Dershowitz seems to have become a different person after getting personally caught up in the Epstein situation.

Still, he's always seemed to me to have a strong contrarian POV -- I honestly am surprised when I find him on the majority side of any contentious issue. And frankly given his reading of FA and political speech he'd have argued that Trumps actions were legally OK even if he wasn't getting paid.
   11737. Srul Itza Posted: January 14, 2021 at 12:30 PM (#5999736)
Here is another part of the Grant quote that resonates:

Where the citizen is sovereign and the official the servant, where no power is exercised except by the will of the people, it is important that the sovereign — the people — should possess intelligence.


Man, are we screwed.


And what turned Alan Dershowitz into such a total scumbag?


He was always nothing more than a huge self-promoter, always looking for the next spotlight. Being a scumbag comes with that territory.
   11738. reech Posted: January 14, 2021 at 12:32 PM (#5999738)
So many of the free speech lawyer (previous) "heroes" ultimately turned to the dark side: Dershowitz, Kuntsler, Kuby...
   11739. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 14, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#5999741)
Dershowitz was always a scumbag.
   11740. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: January 14, 2021 at 03:03 PM (#5999763)
I think 3 of the Dancing Monkeys are attorneys. One is a patent attorney. Have you other 2 sent your resumes to Trump yet? What are you waiting for?
   11741. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 14, 2021 at 03:04 PM (#5999764)
Off-duty Virginia police officers arrested, accused of storming US Capitol


Two Virginia police officers, including one who bragged on social media that he didn’t do anything illegal by storming the U.S. Capitol, now face charges from the Department of Justice for their roles in the riot.

Jacob Fracker and Thomas Robertson, who work for the Rocky Mount Police Department, were arrested Wednesday, the Justice Department said. Both were charged with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds and knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority.

“CNN and the Left are just mad because we actually attacked the government who is the problem and not some random small business … The right IN ONE DAY took the f****** U.S. Capitol. Keep poking us,” Robertson is quoted as saying on Facebook.


Making the federal prosecutors' jobs easy.




   11742. Lassus Posted: January 14, 2021 at 03:14 PM (#5999766)
That would have been a better story if it were actually the Rocky Mount I've been to, in North Carolina.
   11743. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 14, 2021 at 03:15 PM (#5999767)
ETAsk: And what turned Alan Dershowitz into such a total scumbag?

i like to compare "political correctness" to when smoking was banned in restaurants around 2 decades ago.

everyone benefits from its existence, but the people who benefit the most are the ones who most aggressively oppose it.


there's a huge difference between actively suppressing the craziest opinions you have, or chasing them down a facetube rabbits nest and letting all the looney toons out, all the time.



(i'm sure this sounds weird coming from me, btw; that's kind of the point)
   11744. Red Menace Posted: January 14, 2021 at 03:29 PM (#5999768)
So many of the free speech lawyer (previous) "heroes" ultimately turned to the dark side: Dershowitz, Kuntsler, Kuby...


What did Kuntsler and Kuby do? I know they defended the blind sheik and other unsavory types, but everyone is entitled to a defense. There's probably something I missed but it seems like a stretch to lump them in with Dershowitz.
   11745. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 14, 2021 at 03:37 PM (#5999770)
So it was the CFD hat was for the Chester (PA) Fire Department, and retired firefighter Robert Lee Sanford, 55, has been charged with throwing a fire extinguisher at police.
   11746. Tony S Posted: January 14, 2021 at 04:10 PM (#5999780)
has been charged with throwing a fire extinguisher at police.


They actually have a specific charge for that? Daymn.

   11747. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 14, 2021 at 04:10 PM (#5999781)
To clarify, this is not the rioter who killed a capitol police officer with a fire extinguisher. Sanford was a completely different rioter who attacked multiple police officers with a fire extinguisher.
   11748. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 14, 2021 at 04:47 PM (#5999789)
Robert Lee


Fitting name for an insurrectionist.

(Yes, I know I'm being misleading by omitting his last name; it's a joke. Come to think of it, though, the fact that his parents named him Robert Lee suggests they either had Confederate sympathies or were not thinking carefully enough when they named him)
   11749. bunyon Posted: January 14, 2021 at 04:54 PM (#5999793)
Come to think of it, though, the fact that his parents named him Robert Lee suggests they either had Confederate sympathies or were not thinking carefully enough when they named him)

Even money if you meet a Bob or Robert from the south that his middle name is Lee. Not sure where Sanford is from, but I'm sure those sentiments exist in the north.
   11750. SoSH U at work Posted: January 14, 2021 at 04:58 PM (#5999797)
One of the rioters was named Cleveland Grover Meredith, suggesting his parents were big fans of either non-consecutive presidents or inner circle Hall of Famers.

   11751. reech Posted: January 14, 2021 at 05:50 PM (#5999803)


What did Kuntsler and Kuby do? I know they defended the blind sheik and other unsavory types, but everyone is entitled to a defense.


Do they?
   11752. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: January 14, 2021 at 06:21 PM (#5999808)
My mother spent a decade on the opposing side of Kuby in a high-profile appeal. The case drove her mad, but she had almost nothing but good things to say about Kuby. I take her word.
   11753. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 14, 2021 at 07:24 PM (#5999821)
One of the rioters was named Cleveland Grover Meredith, suggesting his parents were big fans of either non-consecutive presidents or inner circle Hall of Famers.

And maybe that they were dyslexic.
   11754. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 14, 2021 at 07:27 PM (#5999823)
Do they?

Do they deserve a defense? Is that the question? Not in Trump's America, but in the US, yes.
   11755. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 14, 2021 at 07:28 PM (#5999824)
every time i see joe biden talk, i feel like he's just about to have an aneurysm/stroke/seizure.
   11756. reech Posted: January 14, 2021 at 07:47 PM (#5999828)

Do they deserve a defense? Is that the question? Not in Trump's America, but in the US, yes.


Does a terrorist deserve top legal talent such as Kuby or Kuntsler?
   11757. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: January 14, 2021 at 07:48 PM (#5999829)
Sure.
   11758. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 14, 2021 at 08:06 PM (#5999833)
Wait, so now we decide who deserves a competent defense and who doesn't? There's a long history of that in the South.
Or who can't have the attorney they want? Or who can't represent someone if s/he wants to?
If we're making these calls, why not just skip the trial anyway?
   11759. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 14, 2021 at 08:07 PM (#5999834)
Does a terrorist deserve top legal talent such as Kuby or Kuntsler?
'deserve' has nothing to do with it.

if there's a question of legal import (and make no mistake, the torture of suspected terrorists raised such a question), then it's reasonable to expect it would draw the attention of high-powered legal talent.
   11760. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 14, 2021 at 09:19 PM (#5999845)
With hospitalizations and apparently cases (finally) cresting, this may turn out to be our worst week for reported deaths. If not this one, then the next one. While I very much expect the numbers to start going down soon, it's hard to know how fast. Could still be quite a slog.
   11761. baxter Posted: January 14, 2021 at 10:07 PM (#5999859)
Everyone accused of a crime deserves top legal talent; in practice that may not be the case.
11756 and your prior posts, sir (or ma'am) you may think of yourself as law abiding, and may indeed be so. That fact will not prevent you from being accused of crime (say, mistakenly or through neglect).

If you ever find yourself in that unfortunate position (and culpable or not, it is terrible to be accused of a crime). I hope your counsel formulates ideas better than you do. I guarantee you that if you ever do find yourself in that position (and I sincerely hope you do not), you will be whining for counsel like nobody's business. No shame in that.

Among many other things, Kunstler defended one of the Central Park 5 (later exonerated; remember when the president, pre-election, of course, took out the ad condemning them?). This when he was in his 60's or 70's. Defending (competently) people accused a crime is very arduous work. I tip my hat off to him.

Dershowitz is great legal mind; tried some heavy cases (although it helps to have Harvard law students on your team).
Mr. Kuby I remember from the Goetz case; but I don't put him in the same class as the other two. And that class is someone you want when your rear end is on the line.

I would say that to you if I had a face to face encounter with you (although I don't seek it).

Be well.
   11762. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 14, 2021 at 10:50 PM (#5999870)
How can everyone get top legal talent? That's like everyone being above average. In reality, it's almost always money that monopolizes top legal talent. Primarily for this reason, we can and should be critical of talented lawyers that choose to defend despicable clients for the paycheck or for other personal gain. There are plenty of other people in need of their top services who aren't despicable.

If a top lawyer chooses to defend a despicable client due to defense of some important principal, then fine.
   11763. Ron J Posted: January 14, 2021 at 11:14 PM (#5999872)
#11762 I know Barry Scheck could spend time on the Innocence Project (which is to put it mildly not a major profit center) because of more lucrative defense work.

It's a far from perfect system in that a decent chunk of people the Innocence Project deals with are in prison thanks to the lack of competence from their initial defense.
   11764. reech Posted: January 15, 2021 at 12:05 AM (#5999877)
There is (at least to me) a big difference between Kuntsler defending the Chicago 7, the Central Park 5, De-segregation, etc
and defending Terrorists that bomb the WTC and maniacs such as Colin Ferguson.

And yes- scumbags don't deserve top legal talent that could be defending more deserving cases.
   11765. baxter Posted: January 15, 2021 at 12:41 AM (#5999883)
11764 I hear you. I would ask you to consider that the right to counsel exists for everyone, not the deserving cases. How many people did Ferguson kill on the subway, I don't remember. Would someone who killed 28 (I think) people deserve a competent defense? The McManigal (spelling?) brothers blew up the LA Times pressroom around 1910; Clarence Darrow defended them (was accused of jury tampering) avoided the death penalty for them. Plenty of people, also reasonable people such as you, would argue that the the first group of people in your example are also scumbags. I am not aware of an adequate "scumbag" meter. Perhaps you know it when you see it.

11762 One can be critical of lawyers, certainly. You can be critical of "Race Horse" Haines whose fee was "everything you got." It doesn't make him anything less of a lawyer, or a human being.

One can also be critical, perhaps, of lawyers who defend large corporations and insurers against suits by severely injured people; or lawyers who facilitate speculative investment transactions, such as what led to the 2008 crisis (which caused great damage to the nation and its citizens); or lawyers who facilitate the takeover of businesses in such that competition is reduced to the detriment of consumers. But, of course, there's no right to counsel in those transactions. Then again, it can be tough to be a lawyer.

Also, please permit me to correct my post 11664; the person suspected is alleged to be from the Chester, PA fire department and NOT to have been involved in the killing of the police officer. So, the spokesperson from the Chicago FD turns out to be correct after all (and indeed worth every penny of his/her salary).
   11766. Ron J Posted: January 15, 2021 at 01:09 AM (#5999885)
Further to #11762 Want to dissuade top legal talent from a defense? Don't seek the death penalty. Don't torture or use tactics of questionable legality. Plenty of top legal talent want these cases as a matter of principle.

And some people will be drawn to defend unpopular causes precisely because the might not get a competent defense otherwise.

Any time somebody advance a "terrorists shouldn't get good legal defense" argument I bring up Richard Jewell. Very little doubt in my mind that if coercive interrogation had been permitted (the authorities were absolutely convinced of his guilt) they'd have gotten a confession and he's have gone to prison.

For all the faults of the American system I vastly prefer it to the Japanese one. The combination of coercive interrogation and the cultural issues with taking unpopular cases basically mean if you're accused you're going to prison.
   11767. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 15, 2021 at 01:53 AM (#5999886)
Any time somebody advance a "terrorists shouldn't get good legal defense" argument I bring up Amendment VI.
   11768. bunyon Posted: January 15, 2021 at 08:02 AM (#5999890)
To me, I wouldn't say terrorists shouldn't get a good defense. It's just that terrorists get good defenses (when their cause is widely known or they have money) but a lot of ordinary citizens languish in jail for very minor offenses because they didn't get a good defense.

The lawyers and capitalists here will yell at me, but I'd nationalize the criminal law. Everyone has a public defender. You draw a name at the beginning and that's who defends you. Letting those who are well off have competent lawyers while the poor get (very often, I'm probably painting with too broad a brush) crappy ones is a big part of exacerbating wealth inequality.

In that world, I would agree, the worst criminals deserve equal defense. The point is, they don't deserve better.

(Which isn't an argument that, as it stands now, they shouldn't be defended. As many have pointed out, everyone deserves competent defense).
   11769. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 15, 2021 at 12:15 PM (#5999932)
In that world, I would agree, the worst criminals deserve equal defense. The point is, they don't deserve better.

So Rudy mano a mano if Trump is indicted?
   11770. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 15, 2021 at 02:43 PM (#5999964)
400,000 US reported deaths as of today on Worldometers. 383,000+ by covidtracking.

CDC has reported only 335,000 of those so far, so they are just a little behind.
   11771. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 15, 2021 at 06:03 PM (#6000004)
Where the crazy never sleeps
When Rudolph W. Giuliani was treating his efforts to carry out President Trump’s wishes to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election as a payment opportunity — he proposed a daily retainer of $20,000 for his legal services from the burgeoning Trump campaign legal fund — the president dismissed it and responded by demanding to personally approve each expense.
Nine weeks and another impeachment later, Mr. Trump began the day on Thursday by asking aides to erase any sign of a rift. Stripped of his Twitter account, Mr. Trump conveyed his praise through an adviser, Jason Miller, who tweeted: “Just spoke with President Trump, and he told me that @RudyGiuliani is a great guy and a Patriot who devoted his services to the country! We all love America’s Mayor!”
White House officials are universally angry with Mr. Giuliani and blame him for both of Mr. Trump’s impeachments. But the president is another story.
   11772. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 15, 2021 at 07:28 PM (#6000016)
i'm sure most people have more faith in the military than i do, but if....if....if they were preparing to launch a coup to ensure that their godking remained president after his due expiration, i'd have to imagine the images we're seeing from washington are exactly the ones we'd see before such a scenario played out.


   11773. Tony S Posted: January 15, 2021 at 08:12 PM (#6000023)
i'm sure most people have more faith in the military than i do, but if....if....if they were preparing to launch a coup to ensure that their godking remained president after his due expiration, i'd have to imagine the images we're seeing from washington are exactly the ones we'd see before such a scenario played out.


My brother's a recently retired naval officer. He continues to reassure me that the military will not follow an illegal order. And the Joint Chiefs put out that letter a few days ago -- it's bad enough that they felt they had to release it, but good enough that they stood up for the rule of law.

And if you want to feel better, big business much prefers stability to chaos. Civil wars aren't good for the bottom line. And that's the most important component of the power structure in this country.

That said, we've gone through a lot of "can't happen" scenarios the last four years that have, in fact, wound up happening. So I hear where you're coming from.

I have a Xanax prescription that I use whenever I fly. Only time I ever pop them -- until the last couple months. We're almost home, the plane is finally descending, and we're hitting some pretty wicked turbulence. But planes are built to handle it. We're about to find out if our country is.

I'm sure you saw that story that the vaccine "reserve" the administration was about to release doesn't in fact exist. It is incomprehensible to me that any rational person would want this regime to last a minute longer. But the operative word is "rational".

I'm rambling here, but one last thought -- On 1/6, many Capitol Police officers overcame inadequate leadership, and in some cases the non-cooperation of some of their own peers, to save the lives of hundreds of US legislators. On 1/13, 197 of those legislators paid them back with a big middle finger.

   11774. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 15, 2021 at 09:02 PM (#6000033)
My brother's a recently retired naval officer. He continues to reassure me that the military will not follow an illegal order. And the Joint Chiefs put out that letter a few days ago -- it's bad enough that they felt they had to release it, but good enough that they stood up for the rule of law.

And if you want to feel better, big business much prefers stability to chaos. Civil wars aren't good for the bottom line. And that's the most important component of the power structure in this country.

That said, we've gone through a lot of "can't happen" scenarios the last four years that have, in fact, wound up happening. So I hear where you're coming from.
yeah, i'm not "sky is falling" concerned about something happening; i just see the images from DC and i know that this is exactly what the week before would look like if that "something" was going to happen.

   11775. puck Posted: January 15, 2021 at 09:43 PM (#6000039)
To go back to Covid for a sec, are the infection numbers still really high pretty much everywhere?

Here in Boulder county the percentage of positives has been under 5% for a while but the number of new infections per capita is still far higher than it had been March-August. (Graph of 5-day rolling average.)

And this is a fairly compliant area (in terms masks in public places I guess). Are the infections mostly coming from social gatherings?
   11776. NaOH Posted: January 15, 2021 at 10:51 PM (#6000054)
And this is a fairly compliant area (in terms masks in public places I guess). Are the infections mostly coming from social gatherings?


I'm also in Boulder County and here's my vaguely educated guess, spoken as someone who has physically left home for work every single day of the pandemic but who also rarely leaves the city of Boulder. Social gatherings may play a role, but when I'm driving in town and when I am downtown, what I've noticed is that business activity remains ongoing. Think delivery drivers, plumbers, construction sites, etc. Ultimately, while we've had restaurant and bar closures/restrictions, and there are loads of people working from home, there are still lots of people out and about all the time. Then some of those people also go to social gatherings. Add it all up, and as long as this much business activity is taking place, until more widespread vaccination has been done, I think it's gong to be difficult to get the positivity rate down much more, even with the mild winter we've had.
   11777. Tony S Posted: January 16, 2021 at 08:39 AM (#6000077)
This kind of thing is just sad at this point.

The Missouri House of Representatives has canceled next week's session due to rising COVID-19 cases two days after voting down a measure requiring masks and social distancing.


4000 deaths a day, and they still can't be bothered to take the most basic of protective measures. All because of the need to Make A Statement.
   11778. Mayor Blomberg Posted: January 16, 2021 at 01:25 PM (#6000111)
More news from the sports capital of the US

Frisco pastor urges followers to keep guns loaded, stock up on food and water before Biden inauguration

Days after President Donald Trump incited supporters to attack the U.S. Capitol in an effort to overturn the election, an evangelical pastor in Frisco told his congregation they have an “executive order” to keep Trump in office.
Brandon Burden, the pastor at KingdomLife, is a former Frisco City Council candidate and member of the Frisco Conservative Coalition, a political action committee. He and the church are known around Frisco social media circles to promote conservative ideals and leaders, including Trump, who made history Wednesday as the only president to be impeached twice.
At the end of Sunday’s service, Burden discussed the need to prepare for a national blackout or any emergency that could occur between Sunday and the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden on Jan. 20. He told the congregation to stock up on food, water and gas for generators and to keep their weapons loaded.
“We are locked and loaded at the Burden house,” he said.


   11779. puck Posted: January 16, 2021 at 02:42 PM (#6000126)
Add it all up, and as long as this much business activity is taking place, until more widespread vaccination has been done, I think it's gong to be difficult to get the positivity rate down much more, even with the mild winter we've had.


I have a client who is pretty conscientious about covid precautions but they are a medical clinic (ophthalmologist) that's been open the whole time. 20-30 staff on site at all times, maybe that many patients. They enforce the mask rule for everyone and try not to let the patients bunch up. Still, you have a patient in an exam room, then another, then another. There's no chance for the air to clear out much.

They've had employees catch Covid but after the contract tracing they are pretty sure it hasn't spread from employee to employee or from patient to employee--there was always someone in the employee's household where it seemed more likely that is where the infection came from. I don't know how many grains of salt to take that with.

My other Boulder County clients are pretty careful as well. Many are WFH, they distance as much as possible, wear masks in the office. But I'm sure there are plenty of businesses not taking it seriously.

   11780. puck Posted: January 16, 2021 at 02:44 PM (#6000128)
My wife heard from her Trumper sister that no one was dying from Covid, it's all made up so they can send checks out, or some such.

Too bad it's not really feasible to make people tour the ICU's, like how Germans were shown the death camps.
   11781. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 16, 2021 at 03:08 PM (#6000131)

New: US Capitol Police arrested a Virginia man as he attempted to pass through a police checkpoint in downtown Washington Friday with fake inaugural credentials, a loaded handgun & over 500 rounds of ammunition, CNN reporting.

   11782. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 16, 2021 at 04:09 PM (#6000136)
Radical right is coming out in full force now.
   11783. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 16, 2021 at 04:26 PM (#6000139)
Too bad it's not really feasible to make people tour the ICU's, like how Germans were shown the death camps.
Do you really think that would convince them at this point?
   11784. Tony S Posted: January 16, 2021 at 04:47 PM (#6000144)

I just signed up for my first Pfizer dose on 2/1. Sooner than I expected.
   11785. Ron J Posted: January 16, 2021 at 05:17 PM (#6000148)
We've already had Covid Truthers trying to film supposedly not over-burdened wards.
   11786. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 16, 2021 at 06:25 PM (#6000155)
Does a terrorist deserve top legal talent such as Kuby or Kuntsler?
Did you mean an accused terrorist?
   11787. Ron J Posted: January 16, 2021 at 06:57 PM (#6000158)
#11786 What could possibly go wrong with assuming someone accused of being a terrorist actually is one?

   11788. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 17, 2021 at 04:12 PM (#6000201)
Online misinformation about the U.S. election fraud plunged by as much as 73 percent the week after President Donald Trump was kicked off Twitter, Facebook, and other social media sites, reports the Washington Post. There are other factors that could have contributed to that dramatic drop, including the banning of lots of accounts that peddled conspiracy theories, including those affiliated with QAnon. But, overall, the research by Zignal Labs suggests tech companies can prevent false information from spreading if they decide to take decisive action. In the week after Trump was banned from Twitter, conversations about election fraud plunged from 2.5 million mentions to 688,000 mentions across several social media platforms.

many (fewer) people are saying ...
   11789. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: January 17, 2021 at 04:35 PM (#6000208)
Too bad it's not really feasible to make people tour the ICU's, like how Germans were shown the death camps.
I took my mother-in-law in for her annual eye check-up on Wednesday. The clinic was across the parking lot from Los Alamitos Medical Center. Half the lot was cordoned off, and tents had been set up. I took a picture of the tents, and a security guy came up and asked me not to. He told me it was a 25 bed unit, every bed taken by cases bad enough they didn't want to risk taking them inside. Inside was full.

We don't have to take people to tour the ICUs. We can just take them to hospital parking lots.
   11790. Lassus Posted: January 18, 2021 at 09:44 AM (#6000258)
Has there been any measured writing yet on how Los Angeles got so badly fucked so fast?
   11791. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 18, 2021 at 10:51 AM (#6000260)
Has there been any measured writing yet on how Los Angeles got so badly ###### so fast?
i haven't seen anything specifically, but my best guess is: thanksgiving, christmas.

also, they didn't get hit very hard in the first or second waves, so when this one hit, they didn't have a significant buffer population that already had some immunity.
   11792. Ron J Posted: January 18, 2021 at 11:19 AM (#6000261)
Or to restate 11791, complacency. It's been an issue with plenty of places that seemed to be coping well.

Doesn't help that some of the new variants appear to be better at spreading.
   11793. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 18, 2021 at 11:30 AM (#6000263)
Has there been any measured writing yet on how Los Angeles got so badly ###### so fast?

This doesn't apply only to Los Angeles, but you can set the blame for what we've gone through on the refusal by too many "freedom loving" people to comply with common sense masking requirements, the mixed messages sent by the White House and the agencies it controls, and the lack of support of essential workers by both their employers and the federal and state governments. Obviously these factors aren't equally distributed in all regions that have suffered the worst, but they're all present to some degree in all of them. Hopefully with adults about to resume control of the federal government after four years of seeing it run by petulant infants, at least some of these factors will quickly be addressed.
   11794. Ron J Posted: January 18, 2021 at 11:55 AM (#6000270)
#11793 Wishful thinking I think. There's no mixed messaging in Canada and there's been a pretty big recent uptick everywhere.

Basically a lot of people parsed, "safe to come out of (semi) lockdown" as "Covid over" (and therefore no need for basic measures like distancing and masking) -- despite pretty consistent messaging from all levels of government.
   11795. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 18, 2021 at 12:09 PM (#6000275)
#11793 Wishful thinking I think. There's no mixed messaging in Canada and there's been a pretty big recent uptick everywhere.

Basically a lot of people parsed, "safe to come out of (semi) lockdown" as "Covid over" (and therefore no need for basic measures like distancing and masking) -- despite pretty consistent messaging from all levels of government.

it would have been tremendously unpopular, but governments needed to shut down air travel, and close major interstates leading up to thanksgiving and christmas.

even just making a big show of it, and then walking it back at the 11th hour would have sent a message to people to just stay where they ####### are.



the issue isn't just people gathering together (which is a major problem, to be clear), but also the mingling of communities, people coming from one, going to another, back and forth, contaminating everyone, everywhere. if everyone keeps their "local" bubble as small as they can, they will keep everyone in it safer. but once that "local" bubble pops, preventing community spread becomes significantly harder. thanksgiving and christmas popped a lot of bubbles.
   11796. Ron J Posted: January 18, 2021 at 12:19 PM (#6000276)
#11795 Probably. Pretty much everybody I've talked to has an "I've been good for n months, I'm doing Christmas" story.

Fine in small groups if everybody's been reasonably careful. But ...
   11797. Eudoxus Posted: January 18, 2021 at 12:58 PM (#6000283)
(1) My (very rough and not-based-on-any-careful-modelling) estimate is that we're probably now at about the halfway point in total US COVID casualties. (Caveat: "halfway" requires a conception of an endpoint, and it's not clear that epidemics have determinate endpoints. Let's arbitrarily call it a full month with average daily deaths under 100.) That would make roughly a million deaths in the end, so about a 3000/million rate.

Right now, 30 states are (by Worldometer) above what I've come to think of as the "Lombardy line" of 1000 deaths/million. (I remember back when Lombardy hit that level and it just seemed inconceivable that things could get that bad here.) I think the only states that I'd be above 50% confidence in ending the epidemic below the Lombdary Line are Hawaii, Alaska, Maine and Vermont. Maybe 25% chance for Washington, Utah, and Oregon. After that, it would take pretty long odds for me to bet on any other state. (Washington's COVID performance seems under-reported to me. The first manifestly hit US state (probably in fact hit after NYC, though), and after that initial trouble it's had maybe the most impressive performance of any US state.)

(2) Navajo Nation is now up to 4600 deaths per million. I think there are realistic (but grim) projections on which final deaths there end up at 1% of the population.

(3) Are there any good studies out there about what we've learned about spread vectors from all of this contact tracing? I would have hoped for regular reports on what percentage of new cases were coming from what kinds of sources, but all I find are recyclings of those restaurant, wedding, and choir studies from back in March and April.
   11798. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 18, 2021 at 01:27 PM (#6000287)
I'm more optimistic. My guess is reported deaths end up around 600,000 with excess deaths around 750,000 or so. We are going to start coming out of winter in couple months, a lot of people have already had it, and the vaccine effort will start having an effect.
   11799. Eudoxus Posted: January 18, 2021 at 01:49 PM (#6000289)
I hope you're right. I trust your projections more than mine. It's surely another 100,000 deaths before we start to see any significant effect from vaccination; then it's a question of how quickly that drops numbers. I'm watching the Israel numbers with great interest to see how things go there.
   11800. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 18, 2021 at 02:17 PM (#6000296)
Ipflay
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