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Tuesday, April 28, 2020
So, with the very likely possibility that baseball and basketball — at minimum — will be played to empty stadiums, it begs the question: Will it be as fun?
And before you answer, think about it for a second. No crowd noise. No intensity that builds for the home team or against the away team. Yes, the scoreboard will tell the tale, but the pressure is cranked up when you have a building full of crazy fans screaming their lungs out.
I get that it’s a business and that the money’s at the ML level, but considering crowds, distance from population centers, and the pleasures of relaxed fandom, I’ve been thinking that we might just run some mLs instead.
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You're welcome to articulate how clamping down on online misinformation reduced virus spread in real life. But I think you're overthinking it. Using the 7-day average to smooth out noise, there was a spike in new cases shortly after T-day, and another after Xmas, boosted by NYE. Since then, in the absence of any social occasions that would encourage widespread travel or for risk-averse and non-risk-averse people to mingle, it's been steadily down. To paraphrase the Clinton campaign (sorry, I know, no politics), "It's the holidays, stupid."
First of all, we're pushing 0.2% by excess deaths as a nation now (and that doesn't include people who died of the virus who would have died anyway over the last year, so the first number is certainly higher than 0.15%. It could be higher than 0.2%.
More importantly, nobody responsible thinks the IFR for the US population distribution is 0.23%. We have states that had very few deaths last Spring already pushing that number in reported deaths, are much higher by excess deaths (Arizona and Mississippi, for example). These states would have to have over 100% infected.
No one knows for sure how many people have been infected so far, but it's a favorite game of those claiming herd immunity to claim the multiplier of know cases is something way higher than it could possibly be. This game is an easy one to play because the multiplier keeps dropping as testing has gotten more widespread over time, so all you have to do is apply some past average to the current total tests and voila. We saw this earlier when people were saying 10x/12x was the true number of infections. Now this guy is saying 6.5x. The real number over the last few months is probably much lower, in the 2x to 3x range. with the average over time higher than that but not at 6.5 anymore.
Covid-19 projections' high and low estimate for cases as of January 13 (about the time someone would have to get infected to be reported buy now, on average) was 17.2% to 38.7%. using that range, the IFR for recorded deaths alone is 0.4% to 0.9%, with a best guess at 0.6%. Adding in excess deaths and it comes to 0.5% to 1.1%, with a best guess of 0.75%. Other estimates of cases are in a similar range.
CDC uses a multiplier of 4.6 through the end of December, which would certainly be less now, average to this point probably under 4x. Covid19-projections uses something a little over 3x (for the entire period, which means something like 2x for new cases).
I expect people to be mostly back to normal this summer even without herd immunity, because lots of people will remain cautious, as a group we will have partial immunity, and the virus doesn't propagate as well in the summer anyway. It won't be herd immunity though, and if we don't get almost everyone who is able to be vaccinated, vaccinated by late fall we are likely to have a significant resurgence.
Cases rose steadily from around mid-September through early January. There wasn’t any noticeable upward spike for the holidays; there was a dip in positive tests around each of the major holiday weeks due to a reduction in testing, followed by a rapid return to the trendline thereafter.
The surprising thing has been how quickly cases have been declining since early Jan. Prior waves did not have such a steep downward slope on the back end, but they were also starting from a lower level.
i am also confused about the herd immunity - if only 7 of 10 people in a huge area like the US have had covid, how can the other 3 be immune? i mean, in the Bad Old Days, measles went around all the time and all the adults were already immune so who passed it to the babies and children?
i also don't why we are assuming that either an infection gives you life long immunity or that a vaccine does
I don't think we are
herd immunity means that enough of the population (the "herd) is immune that there won't be an outbreak on the scale we've been living through, but there will be cases just as there are with any communicable disease where there is less than 100 percent immunity.
First one is beyond my pay grade.
Right, they aren't immune. The idea is that if 70+% of the people are currently immune, an outbreak of the virus won't be able to spread because the people that have it won't come into contact with enough susceptible people, and as a result it will peter out quickly before reaching many of the last 30%.
so how can you get "random" when there is so much USA and different numbers of people who had it and who got vaccinated etc
aren't the numbers of the MAGA people who got dick different than the numbers of White non-MAGA people? or am i not understanding how this virus works
- do you know if they are doing testing to see how long after getting the vaccine people styill got antibodies?
Let’s assume the average person spreads COVID to 3 others. Now let’s assume that 70% of people are immune. That means that only 30% of people are susceptible to the infection.
So now the patient who would have spread it to 3 people is only spreading it to 0.3 x 3 = 0.9 people
If each person is only spreading it to 0.9 people, any outbreak should eventually fizzle out on its own instead of growing exponentially.
But you might still have a localized outbreak in a sub-population if that group all avoids vaccination.
EDIT: Apologies — I was looking at the Massachusetts page. We are parochial.
More specifically, the MA case load increased gradually from the low hundreds in September; held steady at ~2500 from mid-November til the end of the month, then doubled to 5k by Dec 10; dipped back to 4k at Xmas, before jumping right back up the week after, and then up above 6k in the first week of Jan. Steady decline since.
Nobody knows how many people have actually been infected, in part because we don't have good, up-to-date surveys. We do have some idea though.
I'm sure they are doing this, but I don't know what the results are. There have been a lot of studies showing antibodies fading over time for people we have been infected. Antibodies seem to fade though even before immunity is gone, at least for people who were infected, so checking for immunity is not as simple as checking for antibodies. Ultimately the way we may end up determining how long the vaccine lasts is just by taking note of those people who get infected after getting the vaccine--how many get infected and how soon after. Not everyone who gets vaccinated right now will get another vaccine before X months or years, and with this many people being vaccinated, we should eventually have a pretty good idea how long protection lasts on average.
The Daily - Provisional death counts and excess mortality, January to November 2020
Released: 2021-02-08
That said, all the numbers have been trending in the right direction for a while now. All looking good.
Thank goodness we have adults in charge of the country again.
Canada'a numbers are trending the same. Without any change in leadership. Could it just be the disease doing what it wants? I'm with you, not willing to call "herd immunity is here" yet, but numbers are going in right direction, and that's with some places easing restrictions, or never really having them in the first place.
I can see this guy's case, even if Aunt Bea is correctly questioning his math, that things will be settled down by April. For me, it's the death rate. I haven't looked at any other country's numbers, but (where I live) in Canada, deaths due to covid are nearly 90% over age 70.
TOTAL n=21,234
80+ n=14,777 (69.6%)
70-79 n=4,023 (18.9%)
60-69 n=1,610 (7.6%)
50-59 n=555 (2.6%)
40-49 n=162 (0.8%)
30-39 n=70 (0.3%)
20-29 n=33 (0.2%)
0-19 n=4 (0.0%)
Canada - COVID-19 Situational Awareness Dashboard
Updated February 21, 2021, 7 pm EDT
(There's an interactive chart on the left, first one, if you scroll. "Age and gender distribution of ..... COVID-19 cases in Canada" Pull down the menu, change the default of _ALL_ to _deceased_ {I know, it's morbid, call me morbid. Snowmorbid.})
Canada'a vaccine rollout has been primarily to long-term care homes, workers at those homes, and other critical health care workers. And they're reportedly pretty much done there. The provinces ultimately control vaccine distribution, but with guidance from the feds it appears like elderly people in private residences will be the next phase, along with others who are younger but have documented high-risk health conditions. They've been bringing the vaccines door-to-door at many of these institutions, but many provinces are now setting up new vaccine centers in co-opted community centers, rinks, etc. so people will set an appointment, and come to them. My favorite niece is a public health nurse, and has been chosen to coordinate one of the vaccination locations, kicking off this week.
There's already some jockeying about who might be prioritized in phase three and four, etc, but the truth for me, is that 90% of the deaths are over age 70 in Canada, and if they can vaccinate and protect them, the death rate should plummet, and that's what I want. After that, I say open it up. That's why Makary might be right, this thing might disappear in April. If people are no longer dying from corona, it's gonna be hard to keep everyone locked up.
Going to need more than this.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-growth-covid-cases?stackMode=absolute&time=latest&country=CAN~FRA~DEU~IND~GBR~USA®ion=Europe
A lot of red again on that map. Again, I don't know what it means but it was mostly blue for central/eastern Europe leading up to recently and now it isn't.
New Zealand may be increasing but they're still reporting single-digit number of cases per day. They've had one reported COVID death since September 2020.
I didn't mean to infer that the last month was due to the new admin. You're correct, that is the disease doing what it wants. But the vaccine rollout is ramping up, and the new admin is pushing it a lot harder than the last one.
If we can stop deaths by targeting the vaccines, we should be able to open up again.
Fortunately the vaccines work very well here too.
(Canada, not so well. 3.7% vaccinated, 1.4M)
So I have a few questions.
Let's say vaccination continues apace through everyone who is willing to get vaccinated, and we're just left with the anti-vax crowd. What degree of harm to all of us will they do (is the danger restricted to the otherwise willing who can't get vaccinated or is it a threat to everyone given mutations)? If they can cause harm to the rest of us, what would the percentage of the population refusing to get vaccinated need to reach to really do damage to the U.S. as a whole? If necessary, where can vaccinations be mandated to bump up the percentage?
As for mandating vaccination, meet protections for religious liberty, which are one way that parents get around vaccination.
I'd better cite my source of 63M.
I don't want to be caught in the middle of a debate about who has one shot, two shot, red shot, blue shot.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations
I haven't seen anything about this. As far as I can tell, the best scientific guess is "you'll probably not be a vector, but we won't come out and say that as we could be wrong and we don't want to give anyone misinformation that could compromise public health initiatives."
I understand that. I was curious if there were any areas of life that can get around that (for instance, healthcare itself)?
Its also to prevent use of the "I'm vaccinated the rest of the rules don't apply to me any more," by those actually vaccinated and (probably just as importantly) people who are going to start claiming their vaccinated to get around those same rules.
The impression I have is that some countries entered into a lockdown post-holiday season, but many didn't see the lockdown as being more than few weeks to compensate for the expected impact of family visits. Other possibilities: The 'UK variant' has higher transmissibility, though not necessarily higher mortality, and is probably circulating in quite a few countries. Some countries are battling hard to keep ski season going in at least a partial sense. And it has been a particularly cold few weeks in some countries; NW Germany last week had its coldest week since I moved over.
Its also to prevent use of the "I'm vaccinated the rest of the rules don't apply to me any more," by those actually vaccinated and (probably just as importantly) people who are going to start claiming their vaccinated to get around those same rules.
Right. This is the trouble with "believe the science". Scientific certainty takes time and careful, deliberate study. Science can't tell you for sure that COVID vaccinated people won't be carriers or, if they are, that they'll be much less efficient at transmitting SARS-CoV-2. It's a new vaccine for a new virus and we just don't know.
The data we have on viruses and vaccines strongly suggests that, no, vaccinated people will not be significant carriers of the virus and that, practically, they can go about their lives as if there is no pandemic. Early data on COVID is consistent with that but a long way from proof. So, if we use data on past vaccines as a guide, there is a really good chance vaccinated people have no need to mask or glove or keep distant.
But from a policy perspective, holy hell. If you're wrong about that, if this is the exception, a lot of people die and good luck continuing a vaccine program. So without scientific certainty, no one is willing to go out on that limb. There is also the population catomi points to who will lie about being vaccinated to go back to normal.
I think, in the reality of the United States, we're done with covid precautions. There is too much political pressure to open up and I expect we will open up soon after the weather gets warm. While I understand the urge to hedge predictions on the vaccine, the vaccine is our only shot at opening up without a lot of death. So I'd err on the side of convincing people to take the damned shots. Stop hedging and let people think that the vaccine will return them to normal. If it doesn't, they were going to open up anyway. Telling people to hurry up and get vaccinated but then also telling them that, even if they do, it's 2022 before life is normal again is not going to convince anyone.
We need shots in arms and to be setting up a robust and sustainable testing and sequencing program so we can catch vaccine resistant mutations early (and start building better vaccines). But, look around, the US is opening up one way or the other.
ETA: I'm 17 days past my second shot (Pfizer). I took my also vaccinated mother to a steak dinner Saturday and we both felt safe and secure in doing so. There may have been tears. At work and around town (store, etc), I continue to mask and distance. I don't mind the mask that much and it's been a year since I had so much as a cold, which I like.
ETA: I'm 17 days past my second shot (Pfizer). I took my also vaccinated mother to a steak dinner Saturday and we both felt safe and secure in doing so. There may have been tears. At work and around town (store, etc), I continue to mask and distance. I don't mind the mask that much and it's been a year since I had so much as a cold, which I like.
My wife is literally counting the days, on a calendar, until two weeks past her second shot (which she hasn't taken yet) so we can go out to dinner.
How was your (and hers) day after second shot. It was surreal to feel as bad as I did when I went to bed (101F fever, chills, shakes, aches, dizzy) and wake up feeling absolute fine. Usually when I've been that sick it's taken a week to get back to feeling normal. This was a switch.
Myself and her 83-year-old father have both had Pfizer, both shots. Zero side effects, literally nothing.
She's had one Moderna shot so far, and her arm hurt a little longer than she thought it would, that's it. She feels like she's heard the 2nd shot is worse for Moderna.
Her mother's a wacko and refuses to get anything other than Johnson & Johnson. My Mom and stepfather are waiting on their second Moderna shots in FL, my dad is also in FL but has had no real luck in the lottery.
'Like the Hunger Games': Older Iowans seeking COVID vaccine feel pitted against each other for survival
Iowans describe vaccine search frustrations
So, when vaccine appointments started popping up, I told her I'd get her one. I called our county health board half an hour after they started taking appointments. But they had a single phone number and no web presence. I was number 406 and got disconnected. Then I found the county to our south had a really nice website set up and I was able to get her an appointment there. It was only a 30 minute drive.
I thought no more about it, Mom was set. We weren't eligible. Only a week or so later, a colleague emailed our department saying that our county had recorded the numbers of those who called and were calling them back. This colleague, very far from eligible, younger than me, way healthier, got an appointment simply by answering, "Do you want a vaccine?" with "Yes." It turned out the county enlisted all their employees to call people and they weren't health professionals. Some asked hard questions and refused anyone not qualified (at the time you had to be 75 or health care worker). Others just made appointments for whoever they got. My lady, bless her, asked follow-ups when I gave her my age. Diabetes, overweight, on meds for blood pressure, just at 50, and "teacher" got me in.
I mentioned ethical qualms to a senior colleague who was eligible and he laughed, saying, "It's the wild west now. If you can get a shot, get it." So I did.
Both counties on site distribution was outstanding. Very smooth, very professional. My county's system for making appointments is still pretty bad and easy to game. The county to our south is really a leader in the state. It's wild to see how different systems are over very short distances and, seemingly, with most everything else very similar. My MIL (81F) and FIL (82M) refuse to take an appointment that is an hour's drive in upstate NY (Corning/Binghamton area). They basically seem to expect someone to come to their house with it. I suspect they like an excuse to stay in.
Your Mom is the first I've heard to cut the line between J&J and the mRNA candidates but, reading that, I can see it and would guess there are more like her. In keeping with "certainty", I think the mRNA vaccines will be fine but we don't know from a scientific perspective. It certainly won't re-write your genome but biology is weird.
Anyway, I hope everyone gets their shots as soon as they can/wish. I'm also eager to see if Pfizer and Moderna can put the advantage of synthetic RNA to work in addressing new variants. That could pay off big time for a host of other viruses, too.
MOTHER-IN-LAW! My mom isn't a Dr. Mercola Trumper-via-Bernie lunatic, like Jules' mom. She wouldn't know WTF an mRNA was, she just doesn't want to be stuck twice, and needs a (barely) viable excuse that won't cause her daughter to drag her like a screaming child to a vaccination site.
Some school districts enforce vaccinations for students, religion be damned (I think Mass just required them statewide? Or maybe VT?) Obv can't really do that without a child vaccine, but I'd imagine that's the easiest way forward to getting anti-vaxxers to vaccinate. "It's for the kids" hold a lot of weight, moreso than "but my religion".
would be nice, but I don't hold my breath on that one; it's the kids' religion, too. I'm surprised MA hasn't been taken to court.
& thanks for the further info on post-vaccination transmission. 62+asthma hasn't been enough to get me in anywhere.
I suspect it's about to steamroll. We'll go pretty quickly from no one can get a shot to we can't talk people into taking it. I'm ready to be at that place.
Granted, I'm going to treat it like I would a Southwest flight. I'm going to hang back and get on board after the overhead bin fighters have duked it out. I guess it helps to be someone who is relatively healthy and works from home, and who tested positive for the antibodies on both occasions I gave blood (not a guarantee I had it, but a good possibility). I'm giving again on St. Patrick's Day, and it's been awhile since my last complete donation, so I'm interested to see if they're still hanging around.
Doesn't detract from your larger point. It's picking up speed.
I think you're right. If/when that third vaccine starts hitting the market soon, this could happen. What a glorious thing that would be.
Look below the top line and both report the same thing: 13 nopw 65M vaccines given to 44M (now more) people. 19M (as of yesterday) had received two shots. 44+19=63.
they gonna hafta give everyone booster shots
here in yewstin, the demand for shots is still a LOT greater than the number of shots available. Husband was supposed to get his shot the week of the freeze. jeezus what a clusteryouknowwhat that still is. have not heard the new schedule. and as for me, well, i'm not rich enough to shove to the head of the line so god knows when/if i'll get vaccinated in time. unless, of course, the california strain overwhelms us
see what happens when you have a governor who believes in science?
Kind of depends on how the line-cutting goes, though, right? I have one co-worker who got his vaccine because some pharmacy had a refrigeration problem and the doses were going to go to waste if they weren't used. So the pharmacist called whoever he could think of and got people vaccinated. No problem. My daughter works in a home for disabled, so in Illinois she was eligible a month ago. She did get the shot but had to provide no proof of employment. It was just her word saying that she was in Phase 1B based on her job. So I could do that even though I'm not eligible. But since they're using up all of the shots every day at our local county site, it would mean taking a shot away from someone who is actually in the hierarchy. That would not be cool.
I don't think it's cool; it's obviously selfish. But given nothing really changes until we hit a certain number of vaccinations, I simply can't get worked up over the order.
yes, that is bad news. and things had been improving.
we'll be getting annual corona shots for the rest of our lives.
The likely story is that that variant is behind the huge CA spike in the past few months. But it's not a "nightmare" scenario on it's own. The "nightmare" scenario of a mutant virus being both more transmissible, more lethal and untouched by the vaccine definitely is a nightmare. And it's possible, but not likely, and this variant ain't it.
Yes, we'll likely get multiple covid vaccines in our lives just like most of us have had multiple flu vaccines in our lives. That isn't fun but it isn't a nightmare.
While there are a lot of people who have never taken this seriously, there are a lot of others hellbent on this never ending and being Black Death level plague. It isn't. It will end and our lives will go on much as they did before. Those of us who've gone through it will know pandemic is always lurking and, hopefully, respond better the next time it pops up. But every new covid strain that comes down the pike is not going to throw us back to square one.
and they're probably more alike than different
the last time the US had fewer than 100 covid-attributed deaths in a day, according to worldometers, was march 21, 2020; the last time there were fewer than 5000 new cases was march 19.
for an additional frame of reference, over the summer when covid "died down", there were still more than 700 deaths and 40000 new cases per day.
Want to shop at Fabric Land? Show me your vaccine passport.
Want to buy concert ticket? Scan the QR code from your passport to proceed to Captcha.
Want to continue employment at Simcoe County Board of Education? Show me your proof of vaccination.
On a positive personal note, my parents got their second dose of the vaccine recently and have had no side effects other than some fatigue the next day.
Clean break: the risk of catching Covid from surfaces overblown, experts say
Prioritising eye protection and face masks will prevent the spread of coronavirus more than disinfecting surfaces, research shows
Texas Tribune
The media environment is her target here. I mean, the vaccines really should be celebrated every ####### day like a gift from the heavens.
I get that, but the media environment is also such that any celebration is immediately going to be the subject of pushback that taps into existing conspiracy tendencies and leads to distrust. My issue is that she's treating the media audience as rational, and it is not.
I'm not saying you're wrong, necessarily, but that's a cogent argument that an authoritarian response is required. If you can't tell people the truth and have them make judgements, you can't have a free society.
Again, maybe you're not wrong. Certainly, the media acts this way.
Sure you can. It's just not pretty; Locke's line between liberty and license. Meanwhile, on this day that a student emails to tell me her persistent high fever has been diagnosed as COVID, Gov. Abbott goes the full miracle, drops the mask ordinance and declares everything 100 percent open. (Would he have done so without the electric and water outages? Good question.)
his gang are all against govt and interference with Libbberty and they refuse to have regulations and then expensive shttt happens and then they all whiny and running to the govment
harris county has 5 something million people in it. not even 10% have been fully vaccinated and dammmm few Black and other non-White people. and case numbers are going back up
it's gonna be forever until those of us not in the privileged groups get that vaccine and with umpty zillion people now refusing to wear masks, my chance of dying just went wayyyy up just like my blood pressure
i'm not taking that mask off from the time i leave my car until the minute i get back in it. and ima start going back to shopping at the kroger at like 5 AM on saturday so as to not be around people. and the kid is NOT goin nowhers neither. not until he's out of the house and gone
oh yeah
i know the numbers after vaccination about how many people don't have to get admitted to the hospital - and you have to be dying to get admitted - but i don't have numbers about how many people get really sick but not enough to meet the qualifications to get admitted. i mean like sick for weeks with high fever and/or long covid syndrome. all that is not considered "severe" - and i know of quite a few people who were sick as a dog for weeks and and some who still are not healthy
- and there are a lot of people who don't go to the hospital anyway because of no health ins. texas has the highest % of uninsured citizens in the USA. really.
Good news from Biden that we should have enough vaccine supplies for every adult to get one by the end of May.
Which political party runs Houston & Harris County, Texas, and is distributing vaccines in such a racist manner? Maybe the Governor can remove those officials?
Vaccine distribution in Texas, like every other state I'm aware of, is being managed by the state DSHS and not local officials. FEMA has also set up 3 additional sites to help underserved communities in Dallas and Houston.
you also have to have a car to drive through a site - this is a big problem for a lot of poor folks. that is if you can figure out how to get on the list. it is impossible to get through on the phone. i know plenty of folks who have tried
believe me the mayor and county executive would take truckloads of vaccines to the local clinics in the poor neighborhoods if they could, but they can't
and people like me are going to be the last to get vaccinated. somehow, rich White people under 65 are managing to somehow get vaccines. amazing ain't it
and yes there are plenty of Black people who don't trust the govmint. for very good reasons. but if you got no insurance or connections and you WANT the shot, and are not over 65, or can't get it at work, forget it. we could get the shot if they would send it to the local kroger or even better to the local health clinic, but nooooo. the biggest shot refusers are gonna be the White republicans under 65. seeing as how White people can't get it i guess
i would get it tomorrow if i could but nope, nothing available.
if i am still alive or able to do things like breathe and walk at the same time when we are supposed to be able to get it in may, it will prolly be at the kroger and then i will. i am just gonna hafta be even more obsessive than i already am until i can get protection
i mean this pretending you can't get the virus or if you do it is just like a cold or something, because you are under 65 is so stupid. all 3 Black people i know who died are under 65. the White person i know who died was healthy and under 30. running around without a mask and pretending there is no virus is like having sex without making him wear a condom and figuring you can't get pregnant ever because you haven't got pregnant so far
lina hidalgo is so incredibly good it is amazing. she has done a beyond awesome job and she isn't even 30 yet (i think she's like 29)
i never even knew the name of a county judge before, but she's done more for us and our city than any politician like i have ever seen. i wish she was governor. but she's of hispanic descent and she looks it, so you know the bigots won't stand for that because it would prove that hispanics aren't Teh Evullll and good for nothin besides pickin fruit, packin meat and running gangs/sex rings
It's like taking the SAT. If you're rich and white enough you have a special-care disability.
As to "what party" is responsible, it's a mixed bag. It appears to me that GOP led states have left it most to counties and cities and the quality of city and county boards of health varies tremendously and very few are set up to handle large populations, even those with large populations.
But hang in there, bbc and others. It'll be soon.
I have a friend who did the same thing in Connecticut, though I think he did it at end the business day for the pharmacy.
That's how it is in Rhode Island. Pharmacies have no shows or don't fill appointments, so they need to get rid of them at the end of the day. At that point they'll basically give it to anyone.
ME: I hope you'll be getting your vaccine?
THEM: I won't be getting the vaccine.
ME: Why, may I ask?
THEM: I don't trust the government.
ME: Good luck, I guess.
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