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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Tuesday, September 02, 2008ESPN: Smith: Why don’t black people play fantasy? Allow me to explainStephen A. at his Cheese Doodlin’ best.
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Posted: September 02, 2008 at 02:11 PM | 120 comment(s)
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Too much time on Starcraft.
And white dudes drive like this!
"Better things to do?"
Really?
I'm Italian, and I play in fantasy hoops and baseball leagues that are about 60% Asian. That may account for half that count.
Yep, that's what we're constantly hearing about young, male African-Americans. Have plenty of sociable leisure time activities. Spend lot of time at family barbecues.
Yep.
No, I don't think that's it; I'm not all that sure blacks play a lot of this, either.
Black people are more likely to live in urban settings than rural settings.
Living in an urban setting means that you're much more likely to live in an apartment than a house.
Living in an apartment means that you're less likely to have a basement.
Thus, we can see that black people are much less likely to be basement-dwelling stat-head losers who are obsessed with fantasy sports, you damn slide-rule using nerds.
edit: and after RTFA that is apparently it.
The black guy who played in my league last year will be surprised to find out.
FInd out what? He's likely not black?
Not necessarily. We have one guy in our football league without a computer. The year I was commisioner, he'd call me up on Sunday morning with his picks.
I knew a guy who did a degree in Software Engineering without owning a computer. As long as you have access to a PC, it doesn't matter too much, and anyone can get access to a computer now without too much inconvenience.
We started our own league so he could introduce some of his friends to fantasy, all black. 10 team league, 5 black, 4 white and a mexican. Either I'm a pioneer or a kiss ass, but I do drink for free at these drafts.
No offense, but I suspect that Stephen A. Smith knows a lot more about how young male African-Americans spend their leisure time than you do.
On the weekends around here, I sure see an awful lot of extended African-American families having barbecues in the park.
I'm offended! No way Smith knows more about anything than anyone else. It's part of the criteria for being hired by Disney. A Fark poster recently summed it up correctly:
Because when I play fantasy sports, I don't wake up the next morning wondering why I feel like someone beat the living hell out of me?
Also, for me, it's a way to keep in touch with a bunch of my buddies who I otherwise don't have much of a chance to talk with.
That said, on a site that so fiercely punishes small sample sizes, I love that people are chipping in with stories of the black guys in their fantasy leagues. It's hard to tell if the purpose is to refute the article or brag about knowing of some in the face of such a small percentage.
Because when I play fantasy sports, I don't wake up the next morning wondering why I feel like someone beat the living hell out of me?
Well, then I say you're not playing it right.
I saw one of those last nite next door to the Irish chick's place.
Ditto. My IRL friends are more football fans than baseball so we play fantasy football. Not only is our league all white, I believe it's 90% Catholic. (A bunch of us went to the same parochial school.)
Yeah, I would've never guessed anyone could be that tan.
"I saw a black person in Calgary once."
I bet it was Anson Carter. You should've asked for his autograph.
edit: never mind, i see where they did a survey.
Double ditto. The only fantasy leagues I've ever entered involved groups of my friends/coworkers. I have no real interest in getting into a league with a bunch of total strangers. The average intelligence and social skills of a Yahoo! fantasy league owner must hover down near the average intelligence and social skills of someone who takes Screamin' A seriously.
Is this guy still the face of ESPN? Is his talk show still on? I haven't watched ESPN in at least 6 months, and the honking (honky?) analogy posted above is an excellent explanation why.
Anecdotal side note: we started a 10-team fantasy football league at work, and 3 of the owners are women. And not just women - hardcore football fan women. They knew a lot more about it than I did, that's for sure. So why don't more women play fantasy sports? Is there a Screamin' A female equivalent to raise this question somewhere? Is the answer that leisure time for wimmen folk historically consists of direct interaction, the kind of experience you get at a family barbecue or hanging out with friends.
This is race-baiting at its worst.
You've already answered it:
If those guys figure out there's a woman in their league, they'll start either:
a) Relentlessly hitting on her,or
b) Calling her a #####.
It's not exactly the most friendly environment.
Evidently, Barack Obama is the new Albert Belle.
I've got to agree here. Some editors at ESPN went to the black guy to find out why so few black guys play fantasy sports. Unless you want to punish the guy who asked him, I can't say that Smith should be taken to task for opining why?
Neither of these are supported by anything, and I think both of them take the racial speech in this country the wrong way.
Assigning value judgments based on the race of the participant is racist in my book, and I stand by my "baiting" comment.
At least he isn't the new Screamin' A Smith.
Have you looked at the survey? It is a joke.
The facts aren't baiting, the commentary is. Having someone who thinks as little (in general) as Smith does about issues as complex as why members of different races play fantasy sports and then comment on them is a hot button issue waiting to happen. Anyone who let this happen knew that someone would be upset by whatever is was Smith had to say, he's not thoughtful enough to come up with a reasonable explanation for the facts, and that's why ESPN let him write this, they knew it would stir up controversy and attention.
Edited for clarity.
a) Relentlessly hitting on her,or
b) Calling her a #####.
It's not exactly the most friendly environment.
Very true. I have to say, I feel bad for women where the internet is concerned. Message boards and chat rooms have given guys everywhere an open invitation to treat women like crap, when if they did so in real life they'd be fired/broken up with/kneed repeatedly in the groin. If you try to fight back, you're a #####. If you sit there and take it, it's because you really want it that way and long for some serious deep ####### to put you in your place.
Which is sad, because I'm not saying that women can't defend themselves. But you can't really defend yourself against someone operating under the safe cloak of anonymity 1000 miles away. There's no recourse for him to make him change his behavior. If he drives you away, he wins. If he engages you, he wins. Either way, he gets what he wants.
I wonder what percentage of online message board trolls are females? Gotta be far less than the percentage of fantasy players who are black.
So is the initial picture of the white guy on the computer circa the 1960's. I am so enraged I want to march on Bristol.
You didn't see Linda Cohn's article on this?
right there in the article.
It was actually Jarome Iginla. I'm not sure where Anson Carter is now.
I would come to participate in the Million Nerd March. Bill Gates could be our Jesse Jackson.
This is a largely non-controversial conclusion that wouldn't drive nearly as many page hits to ESPN as saying that black people have better stuff to do than get involved in something as silly as fantasy sports.
(And maybe he makes this point. But I won't RTFA, because I refuse to click through to something on the ESPN site, let alone something written by this waste of breath.)
And yet, with a perfectly reasonable explanation in his own article, he still finds the space for nonsense like this:
Will do. But honestly, I’m not surprised to learn that so few blacks are among the 30 million people who participate in fantasy sports. I’ve always thought that a lot of these guys (and 96% of them are guys) are nerds desperately in need of more sociable leisure time activities. Leisure time for black folks historically consists of direct interaction, the kind of experience you get at a family barbecue or hanging out with friends. Sitting in front of a computer screen pretending to be Bill Parcells? Sounds like work to me.
That's subjective, generalizations about a large group of people that doesn't have any evidence to support it, just Smith's own point of view. There's a good chance that some people will disagree with him, some vehemently, because it's discussing race and it's not commentary based on fact. And I think that's probably what ESPN is hoping for.
I bet this has a lot to do with it.
I imagine a much highere percentage of white males have a job that involves sitting in front of a computer all day.
If you work in construction, for example, fantasy sports cuts into your leisure time.
If you work in IT, not so much.
That doesn't explain the Asians, though. Probably a much higher % of immigrants who aren't football or baseball fans.
Steve Urkel frowns upon you shenanigans.
and as i said in #28, i wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out his wasn't true. Heck I'd lay money on it being true ..
They went directly to the loud-mouthed black guy to find out why other black guys don't play fantasy sports. Why would anyone be surprised and/or offended that the loud-mouthed black guy offered this kind of commentary? That's why he's on the damn payroll.
I'm not, but ESPN is a primary source of sports news to a lot of people. And I'm sure ESPN is hoping to goad a few of them into getting upset about this when they inevitably click on the link.
That's why he's on the damn payroll.
Yes, that's sort of the point. This is all contrived, that's why he's doing the analysis on an article like this.
edit: the funny part is the people upset over the piece, but refuse to read it. Classic.
From my own experiences, I would agree with this. I've been drafting for or with my boss now for 3 years, it originally started because he had to leave the country on business and asked me if I would attend for him. We won the SB that year and smashed league records, so since then, he always asks me to come along. The draft I went to with him this year is a high dollar league(500/team) most teams have 2 owners. He knows everything just fine, but he understands my knowledge of the league is deeper, for instance I pleaded with him to draft AP last year.
He splits this league with another of his black friends(who took 2nd last year in the league my boss and I started). The other teams refer to us as Verizon and make jokes about our overhead cutting into profit. But the let the stat geek handle it while we kick back and drink beer and joke with everyone was played out to a T this year.
Played in one fantasy league at work. One of the participants was black, but of English descent. What of it?
Corinne Bailey Rae is really great at digging up bargain-basement pitching. Always has been, always will be.
Apparently this largely white board, a board that spends hours a day in front of a keyboard, knows more about what the average black man does in his leisure time, than a black man.
I find that hilarious.
When I said "march", is was a slight euphemism for blowing the place to holy hell. Bristol is infested with nerds, and they must pay also as someone keeps perpetuating the computer geek stereotype. As a good looking, sexually active heterosexual white male, I am tired of being lumped with the geeks because I use a computer and play fantasy sports. I will no longer being Stephen A. Smith's or any snarky sportsreporter's whipping boy. The time has come to beat some ass.
Beason's research consists of begging (negotiating) websites to post links to his surveys. How many people with slow internet connections are going to take part in surveys?
On an unrelated note, Beason, an assiciate prof, almost was fired by Ole Miss for conducting a fantasy footbal draft in a classroom.
It was actually fantasy football and he was middle of the pack in terms of results.
They should do a poll on sexually active fantasy players and ask Rich Eisen to write about it.
Just because a man is black doesn't mean he knows anymore about the average black man than anyone else. This is Stephen A. Smith being discussed, who is about as "real" as Vanilla Ice.
Sorry the Chappelle was lost on you - but I think the answer to both is "because". Who really cares why blacks (say black people) don't participate in fantasy sports according to one poll that may or may not be relevant or well constructed.
I don't pretend (or care, frankly) to know or observe what anyone but me does in their spare time (smoking a pipe and reading Wittgenstein). Will this because a cause celebre like the declining participation of young African-American males in baseball? It's basically the same reason - they apparently lack the means to participate. Therefore, when a kid joins RBI or some similar program, make them join a fantasy league. Kill two birds with one stone.
We are too busy doing other things than to participate in silly internet polls.
In case you haven't noticed this largely white board knows more than the average anybody knows about anything.
One of us... one of us.... one of us......
Post 26 covers this.
I bet it was Anson Carter. You should've asked for his autograph.
Actually, it was probably Jarome Iginla.
Well, apparently, so are young blac... oh. Oh, I get it now.
Yes that is true. You don't know how many times I tried to explain all things black to Barack over a cold one at the Cell back in the day.
It's the mainstream media, and Smith's words are in the national conversation. Yes, the "enlighenment bar" is lower, but it's not nonexistent. An audience as big as Smith commands deserves responsible discourse.
Now you will see that this largely white board will triumph, because the average anybody is dumb.
I thought that Patriot was the author of Walk Like A Sabermetrician.
So if Buster Onley opines that blacks don't do fantasy because too many of them are in jail and WHIP is too complicated for them to understand, you are comfortable with that?
I figure Chi Ali has plenty of spare time.
Louis Farrakhan is welcome to participate in this one too. He qualifies, with that suit and cute li'l bow-tie.
If you don't use Vista, I'll th'ow down, sista'!
So you're the father.
Well, living in the so-called Cradle of the Confederacy as I do, I did feel duty-bound to ask just how many prisons have internet access ...
Doesn't Joe Morgan make a similar argument when he refuses to listen to people who didn't actually play baseball?
Joe Morgan hates black people?
So if Buster Onley opines that blacks don't do fantasy because too many of them are in jail and WHIP is too complicated for them to understand, you are comfortable with that?
Never forget that if a comment on race is reversed, it means exactly the same thing to the poor oppressed white man.
Ha! I often cite Blazing Saddles as the high-water mark for true racial understanding.
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