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Tuesday, April 01, 2003

ESPN.com - Yankees’ Jeter forced to leave game with injury

“Derek Jeter, the heart and soul of the Yankees, was knocked out of New York’s opener Monday night after a violent collision at third base with Toronto catcher Ken Huckaby, who landed hard on the shortstop’s left shoulder.”

jimfurtado Posted: April 01, 2003 at 01:31 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Paul Mazurkiewicz Posted: April 01, 2003 at 01:32 AM (#244827)
It was a pretty nasty shot. It looks bad for Jeter.
   2. Bud Selig Posted: April 01, 2003 at 01:39 AM (#244833)
This wouldn't have happened if Huckaby didn't have a knee cap.
   3. WillYoung Posted: April 01, 2003 at 01:42 AM (#244836)
Ron Gant
   4. Indy Posted: April 01, 2003 at 01:50 AM (#244837)
As an aside, who wrote this article, his mother?

Jeter, the heart and soul of the Yankees

Jeter didn't stop and aggressively tried for the extra base

has even tried to hide injuries from Torre

The latter two may be true (the first isn't readily verifiable), but the tone is pandering all the same.
   5. Josh Posted: April 01, 2003 at 01:52 AM (#244838)
It was Tom Herr in the 87 Series.
   6. Bob T Posted: April 01, 2003 at 02:09 AM (#244839)
Jeter was out because he was off the bag and was tagged. Falling off the base because you are in excruciating pain is no excuse.

I've seen Moises Alou and Mike Blowers get tagged out for similar reasons.
   7. Bob T Posted: April 01, 2003 at 02:55 AM (#244841)
But in the umpire's opinion, Jeter came off the back as the result of a collision, not a deliberate attempt by Hucakby to knock him off the base.
   8. Robert Dudek Posted: April 01, 2003 at 03:41 AM (#244842)
I'm not sure what the rule is, but the force of the collision did knock Jeter off the bag (unintentionally, in my opinion). But afterwards, Jeter made no attempt to get back to the bag and it was about two seconds after that that Huckaby reapplied the tag and Jeter was called out. Perhaps someone could have called time (or is that the responsibility of the player involved in the play?).
   9. Robert Dudek Posted: April 01, 2003 at 04:08 AM (#244844)
I meant ask for time, of course. When the play is "over" is a bit of a judgement call. I've seen guys go into a bad standing up and, with their toes just barely hanging onto the bag, are granted time.
   10. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: April 01, 2003 at 04:12 AM (#244845)
Actually, if you look at the replay Jeter surrendered the base himself... he rolled off the bag. After Huckaby hit him, his hands were resting on third base. Then Jeter plainly and visibly (to my recollection... I watched it a few times but I'm not looking at it now) rolled away. Of course, he had a damn good reason to, and the umpire really should have called time immediately. Otherwise, 7.08(c) applies and the umpire appears to have made the right call.

At any rate, the rules are, in a way, silent on this and that is not a good thing. There should be a clear rule that states that a fielder may not use force to remove a player from a base when he is lawfully in possession of that base. If the fielder did not have the ball, it would be obstruction, but Huckaby clearly had possession of the ball.
   11. User unknown in local recipient table (Craig B) Posted: April 01, 2003 at 04:32 AM (#244846)
the umpire really should have called time immediately

In case you're wondering, it's Rule 5.10(c)... the umpire shall call "Time" when an accident incapacitates a player (i.e. it is *not* optional).

Now the weird thing is that the rule goes on to say (in 5.10(h)) that the umpire shall not call "Time" when a play is in progress except in 5.10(b) or (c)(1). This is where it gets really weird. It's not certain whether (c)(1) refers just to (c), or to the specific subclausre (c)(1) which discusses allowing a substitute runner in case of an accident preventing a player from proceeding to a base to which he is entitled. Even if it's just (c)(1), Jeter is entitled to third base - see Rule 7.01 - so you could argue that the umpire is still obligated to call "Time".

5.10(h) is awfully unclear and could use some clearing up.
   12. Bob T Posted: April 01, 2003 at 06:31 AM (#244847)
In "The Rules of Baseball" by David Nemec, the author writes about Rule 5.10:

"Although allowed by this rule to do so, an umpire will seldom kill a play just because a player is injured. Many runenrs have been retired after being knocked unconscious by errant throws or in base-path collisions, sometimes right in front of a base coach who was powerless to come to their assistance."

And if you want to look at this from a different perspective, go read accounts of Game 4 of the 1939 World Series and read about Ernie Lombardi's "snooze at the plate".

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