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Since 1982, there have been 38 World Series played (no Series was played in 1994 because of the strike). That’s 38 seasons—nearly four decades of Fall Classic baseball—with the current Fall Classic being the 39th.
And for each one of those late October or sometimes early November games, there has amazingly been at least one participant who played previously with John Smoltz ... or would end up playing in the future with Smoltz. Or, John Smoltz was just playing. What we’re saying is that every World Series since 1982 has been extremely Smoltzy. Ted Simmons kicked things off in the 1982 World Series (Smoltz’s teammate in ‘88) and Charlie Morton is the 2021 World Series version (Smoltz’s teammate in ‘08).
Oddly enough, Smoltz has never appeared in a film with Kevin Bacon.
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1. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: October 28, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6049695)- Jed Lowrie (2009 Red Sox)
- Jon Lester (2009 Red Sox)
- Yadier Molina (2009 Cardinals)
- Adam Wainwright (2009 Cardinals)
- Albert Pujols (2009 Cardinals)
I couldn't find anyone else who was still active from those 2009 teams or from the 2006 - 2008 Braves, but I didn't go about this systematically, so I'm not sure. It seems like there are a few who "retired" after 2019 and might still be kicking around if not for the pandemic, but guys like Martin Prado were clearly running out of gas even before that. I didn't look at any teams before then. I cross-referenced against an oldest player list, but none of those guys (other than the ones listed), as far as I could tell, played for the Braves, Red Sox, or Cardinals.
Morton is still an effective pitcher, so he's got the best shot of keeping this streak alive. He is a free agent after this season, so if he stays on a winning club, he's the prime candidate. Wainwright and Molina are also still solid options, since St. Louis is always good and those guys have contracts next year. Lowrie and Lester are kind of in the same boat - marginally effective players in their late 30's who are free agents. I could see both hanging it up after this season, but I could also see Lowrie latching on with a contender to try to get a ring. I feel like I've heard rumblings about Lester possibly retiring, but maybe I'm making that up. He already has three rings, so seems less likely to stick around.
Pujols is the wild card. I haven't read anything about him since he left the Angels, but it seems like he wants to keep playing. There were some weird social media posts from he and his wife that made it seem like this was his last year, but who knows? Up until a revival of sorts with the Dodgers, it seemed like the choice would be made for him that 2021 was the end. But he hit well with the Dodgers, still plays a decent first base, and might still want to play. Plus he's ALBERT PUJOLS. Maybe some contender picks him up as a backup 1B/DH?
I enjoy fun facts like this. Hopefully it keeps going for a few years!
I also missed Daniel Bard (2009 Sox). What a strange career. Looks fantastic for a few years, struggles a lot at age 27, pitches one inning in the majors at 28 in 2013, and then we don't see hide nor hair of him until 2020. And he wasn't awful for the Rockies this year, although he wasn't great either. I could see him getting another season at age 37 with a team looking for a low-leverage reliever who can get you some innings.
Red Sox fans can tell you that every so often there is just a weird Red Soxian thing that has no explanation.
He was a really good reliever, so the Sox thought it might be a good idea to try to convert him to a starter. That didn't work so well and it's as if they just broke Daniel Bard in the process and he couldn't pitch again for like 6 years. It was weird.
maybe "most consecutive years with multiple teammates in World Series."
Well, Franco played with Carlton, which covers the 1967 and 1968 Series. Franco also played with Nolan Ryan in Texas, which gets us through the 1969 World Series…
I assume folks know about the Oracle of Baseball
He already signed an extension with the braves.
maybe "most consecutive years with multiple teammates in World Series."
Consecutive years with teams he played on in the series could be a good one for him.
Rose 70, 72, 75, 76, 80. 83
McGraw 73
Hough 74, 77, 78
Gossage 78, 81, 84
Murray 79, 83, 95
G Frazier 81, 87
G Thomas 82
That's 67-70, 72-84, missing 1971 ... somebody can pick it up there.
I don't know how this compares to anyone else, but Jose Vizcaino can go back 13 years from now on this.
1964 teammate Warren Spahn pitched in the 1948 World Series. 1987 teammates Jay Bell and Greg Swindell both played in the 2001 WS for Arizona.
It might be even longer - both Niekro and David Wells (2003 World Series) played for the Blue Jays in 1987, but I'm not sure they were ever teammates as their game logs don't cross.
Bud Black in 85
Calvin Schiraldi 86
George Frazier 87
Orel Hersheiser 88
Tom Glavine 91, 92, 95, 96, 99
Pete Incaviglia 93
Jose Mesa 97
Chad Curtis 98
Robin Ventura 00
Greg Swindell 01
Jeff Kent 02
I-Rod 03 06
Manny 04 07
Russ Springer 05
so that's to 2007
08: Jamie Moyer
09: Migy Cairo (DNP)
10, 11: Darren Oliver
13 17 Beltran
14 Jason Vargas
15 David Wright, Bartolo Colon
EDIT: 2016 looks like a bust
EDIT2: Somebody can double-check but his time in Japan and Korea don't seem to help. He was a teammate of the Fat Toad thought.
Actually Franco was teammates on the 2007 Mets with Joe Smith, who pitched in the 2019 World Series for Houston.
Joe Smith also pitched for the 2016 Cubs, although not in the postseason.
My Lahman query (using your Wells criteria, just matching regular season appearances for the same team/season) shows Niekro with a consecutive streak from 1954 to 2001, in addition to the 1948 and 2003 non-consecutive years.
Edit: Niekro's streak, with the added criteria requiring a WS appearance (not just a regular season appearance for a WS team), shifts to 1960-1999. (Rickey Henderson was released by the Mets during the 2000 season.)
Checking Smoltz's minor-league teammates, he has a near miss for 1981: Juan Espino (teammates on the 1988 Richmond Braves) was in the Yankees system in 1981 but didn't get his first call-up until 1982. Also Jeff Jones (teammates on the 1987 Glens Falls Tigers) played for the Oakland A's in 1981, and made it as far as the ALCS (swept by the Yankees).
Lonnie Smith (also teammates on the 1988 Richmond Braves) played in the 1980 World Series.
D'oh! Of course, Lonnie Smith was also Smoltz's teammate on the ATLANTA Braves for 5 years. Forgot about that.
1981 - Alejandro Pena LAD (teammates on 1992 Braves) -- he didn't pitch in the World Series and probably was not on the roster, but he did pitch in the NLCS. He would've gotten a World Series ring, if that counts for anything.
1979 - Gary Roenicke BAL (teammates on 1988 Braves)
1978 - Mike Heath NYY (teammates on 1991 Braves)
1977 - No one
1975, 1976 - Ken Griffey CIN (teammates on 1988 Braves)
The trail seems to definitely end there, though.
Per his SABR bio, it sounds like Pena was on the roster, at least for the first 2 games of the 1981 World Series: "He did not play in the World Series win over the Yankees after being diagnosed early in the Series with a bleeding ulcer. He had collapsed after the second game and was admitted to a Los Angeles area hospital for observation."
Seems to be confirmed by this contemporaneous news report too.
19811978). And of course Oliver's non-consecutive span dates back to 1969 and Nolan Ryan.Edwin Jackson's streak dates to 1993 and is still active in 2021 as well. (Could have dated to 1989 but Jeff Kent was traded away from the Blue Jays during the 1992 season.)
1978, actually.
Pujols's goes back to 1988 (McGwire) and is still active (Jesse Chavez, at least).
It only cuts off the first four years, though, not like it randomly comes in the middle of the streak.
Minoso was teammates with Phil Cavaretta on the 1954-55 White Sox. Cavaretta played in the 1935 World Series for the Cubs, so Minoso's span goes 55 years.
I guess Minoso is now the span leader, though it's kinda based on a publicity stunt.
After more research, I do not believe Niekro and Wells were ever teammates on the 1987 Blue Jays. Wells pitched in a couple of games in June and July before being sent back to the minors. Niekro was traded to the Jays on August 7th and pitched three games before being released August 31st (then going back to the Braves for one last start, another kinda publicity stunt). Wells was a September call-up, pitching 16 games down the stretch for the Jays who were battling it out for the division title with the Tigers.
I even listened to Morten Andersen's podcast where he talked with Wells about Niekro and David did not mention them being teammates.
So Wells and Niekro appear to have missed crossing paths by a day, which means Niekro stays at 53 years.
If the Mets had won the NLCS in 2006, Glavine and Julio(!) would have stretched Niekro to 58 years.
I like Franco's streak more then Smoltz's because he was never in a series himself.
I think he was just referring to Pena about 1981. Smoltz had plenty of teammates in the 1992 World Series without Pena. :)
46 - It appears so. Jack Quinn at 46 seems to be the oldest. If Moyter had made the 2009 Phillies roster, he'd have been within a month of 47, but 06 was Franco's age-47 year.
It's tough to hold him to this standard; Franco was already past his prime when the World Series began.
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