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Tuesday, May 04, 2021

Everybody is confused after an Angel Hernandez call goes against the Cleveland Indians in Kansas City

Salvador Perez sent a drive to right center field Tuesday that landed on the warning track, but that’s when confusion set in between the Cleveland Indians and Kansas City Royals.

Whit Merrifield, the Royals runner at third, scored easily on the play. Andrew Benintendi, the runner at second, was a different story.

Perez’s hit was quickly corralled by right fielder Josh Naylor whose throw back to the infield was in time to get Benintendi. Benintendi had started to advance to third, but was told by Kansas City third base coach Vance Wilson to go back and tag second.

Meanwhile, Perez was shouting to Benintendi from first base that he should run to third. Shortstop Amed Rosario applied the tag, and that’s when the confusion set in. Umpires, led by crew chief Angel Hernandez, gathered between first and second to discuss the play.

Benintendi was eventually awarded third base on the premise that one of the umpires, presumably Hernandez, had ruled either Harold Ramirez or Naylor initially caught Perez’s fly ball. Video appeared to indicate Hernandez casually making his way from behind first base toward the area where the catch/no catch occurred. The replay appeared to show Hernandez raising his arm as if to indicate an out on a catch, which could have prompted the confusion for Benintendi.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 04, 2021 at 10:29 PM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: angel hernandez, indians, royals, umpiring

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   1. The Duke Posted: May 04, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6017002)
The one thing Angel has going for a him is that all the umps including the umps I’m the relay booth are terrible this year.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:49 AM (#6017031)
Hernandez' statement:

“Our goal was to get the play right, and that’s exactly what we did,” Hernandez told a pool reporter after the game. “We talk about this. Replay is an extension of what we do out there. As you saw, I got basically blinded by the outfield scoreboard. The pixels on the lights were as clear as white can be. I was trying to make out what happened out there.

“The harder I looked, the less I could see. So I was trying to read the players to see what they did with the ball. And I had to come out with the call. I basically guessed on the wrong call. So as soon as I turned around, (home plate umpire) Edwin (Moscoso) started walking towards me. We got the crew together. And we fixed the problem.”


We got the play right, except I totally got the play wrong.
   3. and Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:54 AM (#6017032)
I'll be damned. Angel actually has a point that they did a decent job AFTER he completely blew a simple call. I mean, yeah, we should all strive to correct mistakes best we can but that's an awful mistake for a big league ump to make.
   4. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:56 AM (#6017033)
The inability of MLB to get rid of bad umps is exasperating. I find complaining about umpires and calls to be tedious and not very interesting but man oh man is Angel Hernandez terrible (and he's not alone). There needs to be a way for MLB to punt the bad umps.
   5. Brian C Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:03 AM (#6017034)
The harder I looked, the less I could see.

Angel Hernandez: blowing calls while writing bad 90s alternative rock lyrics.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:04 AM (#6017035)
So what can Angel do differently in this situation? Frankly, it seems pretty reasonable that he could not see whether the catch was made because of the stupid digital scoreboard*, but a call has to be made because of the need for the other baserunners to know whether they can go or need to tag up.

* It's possible the Royals third-base coach made the same mistake.

   7. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:06 AM (#6017036)
That scoreboard is terrible.
   8. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:08 AM (#6017038)
Clearly it's The Man keeping Hernandez down why he doesn't get playoff and All-Star Game assignments.
   9. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:41 AM (#6017042)
So what can Angel do differently in this situation? Frankly, it seems pretty reasonable that he could not see whether the catch was made because of the stupid digital scoreboard*, but a call has to be made because of the need for the other baserunners to know whether they can go or need to tag up.


It seems to me that if in doubt the umpire should rule in favor of the hitter. Let the play finish then if it's overturned you send everyone back. Kind of along the same lines of an NFL ref not blowing a play dead on a fumble.

I do think Hernandez and the crew deserve credit for getting it right eventually and there is definitely some piling on going on in this piece.
   10. Howie Menckel Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:52 AM (#6017045)
as clear as white can be.

right there on a tee, fellas
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:56 AM (#6017046)

I do think Hernandez and the crew deserve credit for getting it right eventually


It cost the Royals a run. Had he not signaled out, there's a decent chance Benintendi scores from second on that play. Instead, he was stranded at third.

Hernandez was a bit slow getting out there to see what happened, I don't know if that would have made a difference. Baseball probably should re-examine whether those video boards really make sense.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 05, 2021 at 10:47 AM (#6017054)
Angel Hernandez: blowing calls while writing bad 90s alternative rock lyrics.
How do you talk to an Angel?
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 05, 2021 at 11:18 AM (#6017057)

It seems to me that if in doubt the umpire should rule in favor of the hitter. Let the play finish then if it's overturned you send everyone back. Kind of along the same lines of an NFL ref not blowing a play dead on a fumble.


I think I agree, but neither option is great. By calling it an out, he costs KC a run. If he calls it a hit and then reverses the call, he's robbed Cleveland of a DP opportunity.
   14. Ron J Posted: May 05, 2021 at 11:45 AM (#6017060)
#13 Then obviously we need a dual replay. Replay the game from both call states. What could go wrong?
   15. John DiFool2 Posted: May 05, 2021 at 01:52 PM (#6017081)
Hernandez was a bit slow getting out there to see what happened, I don't know if that would have made a difference. Baseball probably should re-examine whether those video boards really make sense.


Or go to 6 umpires. Or 5, the Outfield Ump. Park his ass deep in one of the alleys (his discretion as to which one).
   16. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 05, 2021 at 02:08 PM (#6017084)
Deep '90s cut by [12]. Bravo.
   17. pikepredator Posted: May 05, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6017087)
Deep '90s cut by [12]. Bravo


It sounds like a popular 80's tune in my head.

There are lots of reasons to bag on Angel Hernandez. Owning up to his mistake and fixing it is not one of those reasons, particularly in a profession where many seem to think they are incapable of making a mistake. I wish more umpires would go "sorry, I blinked at the wrong time, replay please."
   18. and Posted: May 05, 2021 at 02:46 PM (#6017095)
Or go to 6 umpires. Or 5, the Outfield Ump. Park his ass deep in one of the alleys (his discretion as to which one).

Back when there was no money in the game, having only four umps made sense. Given the state of the game, not having OF line umps at all games is ridiculous.
   19. TJ Posted: May 05, 2021 at 04:48 PM (#6017136)
Umpires, led by crew chief Angel Hernandez, gathered between first and second to discuss the play.


Herein may lie the problem...

Hernandez said he made the call based on the players actions since he could not see what happened. Could he see that it was the center fielder with his glove raised in an attempt to catch the ball and that it was right fielder who actually threw it back in?

As for his lame excuse on putting Benintendi back at 3B by saying he clearly would not have scored, poppycock. Benintendi scores easily if the correct call is made...
   20. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: May 05, 2021 at 05:01 PM (#6017139)
The harder I looked, the less I could see.


Maybe paraphrasing Indigo Girls (1989)?

And the less I seek my source for some definitive
Closer I am to fine

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