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Ex-Red Sox knuckleballer Tim Wakefield and wife have cancer, Curt Schilling reveals ‘without permission’

Former Red Sox pitcher Tim Wakefield has been diagnosed with brain cancer, according to former teammate Curt Schilling.

The diagnosis was announced Tuesday by Schilling on his podcast, “The Curt Schilling Baseball Show.”

In doing so, Schilling admitted he didn’t know if Wakefield wanted the diagnosis shared.

Schilling also revealed that Wakefield’s wife, Stacy, is “very sick with pancreatic cancer.”

Saying he’s seen the “power of prayer work,” Schilling put the Wakefields’ private lives on public display.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 28, 2023 at 03:51 PM | 84 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JRVJ Posted: September 28, 2023 at 04:44 PM (#6142624)
I deeply despise Schilling.

This does not surprise me, but admittedly, it's the type of thing that thousands, even millions of people would blurt out without a shred of respect for other people's privacy.
   2. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 28, 2023 at 04:58 PM (#6142628)
Another day, another day of Curt being king douche.
   3. Zonk Doesn't Get What You See in the Gameshow Host Posted: September 28, 2023 at 05:04 PM (#6142631)
   4. Zonk Doesn't Get What You See in the Gameshow Host Posted: September 28, 2023 at 05:11 PM (#6142633)
I keep forgetting that Elmo doesn't let not xitters see stuff anymore...

RT'd by Curt....

Anytime you see two Jews in leading roles, debating each other in some political or moral conversation, you are witnessing the "Jewish Question" right before your eyes.

The "Jewish Question" is essentially a two part question:

Firstly, how does this extremely tiny minority find itself in such influential positions, leading, and in many cases, dominating important sectors of a nation, in such disproportionate numbers compared to their population, when they didn't even found said nation?

Secondly, how dare this group, that considers themselves separate from all humanity because they're supposedly chosen by God, believe they have the right to not only dictate to the majority of that nation, but also demand censorship of anyone who resists their dictates?


Then, after calling people who noted what he RT'ed snowflakes who need to get over it...

So I reposted this tweet, and I did so with way way too much apathy. It's a generations-old conversation that's been had to wit's end. In talking to one of my boys it is clear I shouldn't have done so, with such a nonchalant attitude. I have had and always had many friends of differing dedication to their Jewish faith. I don't possess an ounce of anti-semitism, never have. Opinions like the one posted elicit conversations and in rational adults they elicit deep conversations. I always like those conversations and enjoy getting into them. Anyone who took this repost as some sort of endorsement of anti-semitism, you were wrong. I could have done a far better job of elaborating, given I didn't elaborate even a little, and that's on me, and I apologize to anyone who is a rational adult who thought I might have been endorsing some sort of anti-semitic opinion. Anyone who actually knows me knows for a fact nothing could be farther from the truth. That being said I am not going to caveat social media posts on a weekly basis to placate people who hate by nature and who enter this discussion with their pre-conditioned opinions. Shalom!
   5. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 28, 2023 at 05:18 PM (#6142634)
In doing so, Schilling admitted he didn’t know if Wakefield wanted the diagnosis shared.
This morning, Pete Abraham, the Boston Globe's Sox beat writer, tweeted:
Curt Schilling said on his podcast the Wakefields are fighting cancer. Hard to imagine why he would do that, but he did. To say that people with the Sox and others around Tim and Stacy are furious is an understatement.

All the best to the Wakefields, who are very nice people.
   6. NaOH Posted: September 28, 2023 at 05:19 PM (#6142635)
I keep forgetting that Elmo doesn't let not xitters see stuff anymore...

Replace twitter.com in the URL with nitter.net and a Twitter thread can be viewed by anyone.

Like so.
   7. The Duke Posted: September 28, 2023 at 05:31 PM (#6142637)
Was he in danger of being elected to Hall again? That's when his self-sabotage usually takes hold.

He's a real piece of work
   8. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 28, 2023 at 05:36 PM (#6142638)
What does a ''really deep'' conversation with schilling sound like?
   9. manchestermets Posted: September 28, 2023 at 05:44 PM (#6142640)
What does a ''really deep'' conversation with schilling sound like?


The Wannsee conference, apparently.
   10. Tony S Posted: September 28, 2023 at 05:50 PM (#6142642)

*Both* Wakefields? That is deeply sad. Wishing Tim and Stacy the best.

As for Schilling, I've never listened to The Curt Schilling Baseball Show, but why do I get the feeling less than half of it is actually about baseball?

And his tweets speak for themselves. As lousy a human being as he was a great pitcher.

   11. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: September 28, 2023 at 06:34 PM (#6142648)
I don't possess an ounce of anti-semitism, never have. Opinions like the one posted elicit conversations and in rational adults they elicit deep conversations. I always like those conversations and enjoy getting into them. Anyone who took this repost as some sort of endorsement of anti-semitism, you were wrong.
He's merely JAQing off, you see.
   12. Tony S Posted: September 28, 2023 at 06:35 PM (#6142649)
He's just JAQing off, you see.


Martyr-bating.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: September 28, 2023 at 06:45 PM (#6142652)
Schilling admitted he didn’t know if Wakefield wanted the diagnosis shared.

if you're in the public eye and you start to tell an audience, "I don't know if [so-and-sos] want this information shared," in typically-functioning brains a very loud alarm bell goes off.

I mean, usually it goes off when you even first think of sharing the info.

the second alarm is like a fail-safe to ensure you don't screw the pooch.

Curt appears to be devoid of any alarm bells at all.
   14. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 28, 2023 at 06:55 PM (#6142654)
F****CK
Brain and Pancreas....that's like the worst of the worst. So, so sad that both are suffering through such an insanely difficult time. Wishing the best for both of them and their family.

Schilling is a do*che. Has been a do*che for a long time. Does anyone expect anything different?
   15. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 28, 2023 at 07:28 PM (#6142659)
I don't possess an ounce of anti-semitism, never have. Opinions like the one posted elicit conversations and in rational adults they elicit deep conversations. I always like those conversations and enjoy getting into them. Anyone who took this repost as some sort of endorsement of anti-semitism, you were wrong.
He's merely JAQing off, you see.
He's just asking questions. All these guys -- Schilling, Rogan, Carlson, Shapiro, Alex Jones, etc. -- they just ask question and have deep conversations with their guests. Their guests just happen to all be anti-Semites, racists, misogynists, anti-vaxxers, and the like. Their audience is huge, and their motto is "I don't agree with everything he says, BUT...."

I really wish the Angels were better. I need the escapism.
   16. Cooper Nielson Posted: September 28, 2023 at 08:11 PM (#6142670)
I don't possess an ounce of [___]ism. ... Anyone who actually knows me knows for a fact nothing could be farther from the truth.

This kind of statement is always a strong indication that such person is a very big [___]ist.
   17. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 28, 2023 at 09:19 PM (#6142676)
Do you think Curt has been removed from the Red Sox Group Text list yet?
   18. base ball chick Posted: September 28, 2023 at 09:29 PM (#6142677)
curt schilling is beyond shttthead

he sounds like a middle skool kid wanting to be the first to tell everyone he knows what REEALLY went down between A and B (whether it true or not)

how can you be that old and be so - looking for word - unaware of the human being-hood of someone supposed to be your friend? outing him when he wanted to not be outed????? and his poor WIFE deserved to be outed WHY???? is she a closet Jew or Black or Hispanic or Asian or illegal or something? what's next - posting pics on insta of them sick with chemo and they hair all fallen out and looking 25 years older??? (i'd say tictok but that is run by Those Icky Chinese and you know how Those Peeple are)

i knew 2 people got pancreas cancer and they were dead by 6 months. of course they were not rich or White. and brain cancer is not exactly better thing to have
   19. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 28, 2023 at 09:35 PM (#6142678)
This does not surprise me, but admittedly, it's the type of thing that thousands, even millions of people would blurt out without a shred of respect for other people's privacy.


Sorry, but this doesn't hold water for me. He:

a) would have had some media training or experience, as a "celebrity" for thirty years or so.
b) was not a guest on another podcast in which he was interviewed and just answered off the cuff, but the host on his own show. So he has a very granular view of who's listening, and some idea what he's going to say. He would (well, should) have considered this in advance.

He said that thing into a microphone. With headphones on. It's his job. I choose not to believe that he did it as pub for his show, but the fact that I considered it tells you what I think of this person.
   20. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 28, 2023 at 09:47 PM (#6142680)

I don't possess an ounce of [___]ism. ... Anyone who actually knows me knows for a fact nothing could be farther from the truth.

This kind of statement is always a strong indication that such person is a very big [___]ist.


I know right? Its like the dumbest thing to say as some sort of response/excuse/apology.

WHy cant he just say "Ok jewish people seem to put a higher percentage of people in professional jobs and why is that? Is there a strong culture pressure that other groups dont have? or is that these people went through various social/economic pressures that forced them to adapt. Or both? Or is it that their numbers are so small and theres a selection bias here because most surveys only define them as jewish if they strongly identify as jewish.

And they are one of the smallest minority groups at least in this country. Do they trigger emotions simply because they are successful? American indians have slightly more people than jewish but no one is upset or jealous about them. Is that because Out of Sight of Mind?

You know something like a real conversation. Is that possible?
   21. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 28, 2023 at 09:59 PM (#6142682)
WHy cant he just say "Ok jewish people seem to put a higher percentage of people in professional jobs and why is that?


Most professionals wouldn't even try. There's no non-racist answer to this question.
   22. base ball chick Posted: September 28, 2023 at 10:19 PM (#6142685)
he can't say that because he got ZERO decency that's why

the Jews are a tiny minority group that they always been a tiny minority group since Abraham's mother 5500 yrs ago and somehow they keep surviving and nobody been able to stamp them out

they trigger emotion because the majority culture at least HERE is either Christian or "christian-ist" and the Jews been holding out 2000 years against accepting the Christ as the Messiah. they won't sit down and they won't shut up and they don't and won't "go away"

there's only a couple million American Indians in the country and most of them have no voice in just about anything and nobody cares about them. most of them live in poverty so don't nobody care about a couple thousand people in some powerless group. and there are a couple thousand tribes and lots of them identify by tribe not ethnicity. besides, most of them are at least partially "christian". so why anyone would be jealous about them i don't get unless it is being upset that they got here first

   23. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 28, 2023 at 10:29 PM (#6142686)

there's only a couple million American Indians in the country


for the record American Indians are said to be 2.9% of US pop and Jewish 2.5%. But again its hard to pin this down completely as for some groups the question is: Do you strongly identify as X?
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2023 at 10:34 PM (#6142687)
If you are calling Jewish people a small minority, then it's pretty safe to say that everyone is a minority. This is the problem with this "deep" conversation is that it's incorrectly starts a classification wrong. If the standard is Jewish = minority, then everyone is a minority. Lumping all Christian sects into one to create a "majority" is utterly ridiculous, you have to break it down to different groupings, because Lutherans and Southern Baptist and Catholic etc are all different. By this logic, there is no majority, so complaining about a minority having influence is just idiotic on the face of it.

Schilling is an idiot, Rogan is an idiot, and their defense of their ism is just utter crap.
   25. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 28, 2023 at 10:39 PM (#6142688)
I'm a person, as are you. People are not just one thing; they contain multitudes. There are rich Jews, poor Jews, urban Jews, rural Jews, Jews for Jesus, people who are more devout than others, conservative Jews, liberal Jews. The more you try to divide a group, the dumber the supposition gets.
   26. base ball chick Posted: September 28, 2023 at 10:42 PM (#6142689)
um, in th USA, there's 5.2 million Native Americans of all tribes and 7.6 million Jews, according to the 2020 census, so i'm not getting your percents

then again it is like you said with "identify" - because there are tribal members who are mostly NOT Indian and theres people who are over 50% NA and do not identify as that

   27. base ball chick Posted: September 28, 2023 at 10:47 PM (#6142690)
cfb - all the "ism" crap is endlessly tiresome

agree with you erik that people are not just 1 thing. we never have been. and some people are even part not "people" because they got some neanderthal DNA.

it i a terrible thing about humans that we can't seem to evolve beyond the insisting that we have to put ourselves in smaller and smaller groups of something that is supposed to be a "definition" when truth is us humans always be changing what exactly a Group is
   28. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 28, 2023 at 11:19 PM (#6142691)

um, in th USA, there's 5.2 million Native Americans of all tribes and 7.6 million Jews, according to the 2020 census,


I googled it the other day and that is what the google machine told me. (the 2.9% and 9 million something)
I bow to infallible google machine.
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: September 28, 2023 at 11:21 PM (#6142692)
Once again, Curt just getting dumped on because of his politics.

   30. base ball chick Posted: September 28, 2023 at 11:53 PM (#6142697)
Sosh,

we can dump on him for that too
   31. SoSH U at work Posted: September 29, 2023 at 12:41 AM (#6142700)
Sosh,

we can dump on him for that too


I'm just mocking those Schilling defenders here who claim that his exclusion from the Hall is just based on "politics," rather than the fact that he's just a horrible person, as he's these latest incidents tell us.

   32. MHS Posted: September 29, 2023 at 12:55 AM (#6142701)
I am so sad about all of this on so many levels.

Take care my friends. God or whatever bless us all.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: September 29, 2023 at 01:26 AM (#6142702)
I'm all for putting Schilling in the hall. I don't want to hear his speech when it happens, but he's absolutely clearly a hof player in my opinion. He's also a piece of #### human being, but that doesn't negate his hof credentials regardless of the character clause.
   34. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 29, 2023 at 02:30 AM (#6142707)
I want to hear his speech. I want it recorded for all posterity. Why sweep this stuff under the rug? Let this guy say whatever he thinks and let posterity judge.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: September 29, 2023 at 07:06 AM (#6142713)
I used to be certain his speech would be fine, even after the anti-trans stuff. He did seem to have a real reverence for the history of the sport.

Now, I'm not so sure.

   36. The Duke Posted: September 29, 2023 at 09:57 AM (#6142718)
34. An increasingly rare voice for free speech. Of course he should be able to say this stuff and suffer the consequences (or not) in the public forum.

But as cfb says, he should be in the HOF.
   37. 185/456(GGC) Posted: September 29, 2023 at 10:17 AM (#6142723)
I came across this story in my newsfeed when I woke up this morning. I wouldn't have known about it if people didn't complain about Schilling's blabbermouth. Aren't those folks disrespecting Wakefield's wish by turning up the volume to 38?
   38. Zonk Doesn't Get What You See in the Gameshow Host Posted: September 29, 2023 at 10:22 AM (#6142724)
34. An increasingly rare voice for free speech. Of course he should be able to say this stuff and suffer the consequences (or not) in the public forum.


Sigh.

Nobody is preventing him from saying whatever the hell he wants.

One potential consequence of saying vile #### is that exclusive platforms with powers of amplification are no longer available to you.

Why do people confuse the power to speak with the amplified power to be heard?
   39. Tony S Posted: September 29, 2023 at 10:24 AM (#6142725)
There are several heels and skunks in the Hall. Anson, Cobb, Hornsby.

Kirby Puckett would probably not be in the Hall if the stuff about him had come out before his election. He was a borderline case as it was, and his good-guy reputation (at the time) helped get him in.

Schilling has a much more solid baseball case than Puckett, though he'd still be in the lower half (probably lower third) of HoF starting pitchers. But the character clause... it's not just this latest "slipup". There's also his 38 Studios/Rhode Island scam. You can't rip down a plaque once it's up. When it comes to his election, I'd rather err on the side of being able to fix it later.
   40. Zonk Doesn't Get What You See in the Gameshow Host Posted: September 29, 2023 at 10:28 AM (#6142726)
First- Schilling has already himself asked NOT to be considered for the Hall anymore (good. request granted).

Second - I *used to* feel that Schilling should go into the HoF regardless too... I don't remember which rung it was he hit on his way down the shitbag ladder, but I remember he hit a rung some time back that caused me to say "Nope, he's crossed a line". I vaguely recall it was some J6 nuttiness or maybe it was some Q crap, I don't recall.
   41. Tony S Posted: September 29, 2023 at 10:36 AM (#6142727)
First- Schilling has already himself asked NOT to be considered for the Hall anymore (good. request granted).


He badly wants to be a martyr.


Second - I *used to* feel that Schilling should go into the HoF regardless too... I don't remember which rung it was he hit on his way down the shitbag ladder, but I remember he hit a rung some time back that caused me to say "Nope, he's crossed a line". I vaguely recall it was some J6 nuttiness or maybe it was some Q crap, I don't recall.


Steve Carlton also had some, er, interesting political opinions, but nobody's saying he shouldn't be in the Hall. There's a good case to keep Schilling out independent of his politics.
   42. SoSH U at work Posted: September 29, 2023 at 10:47 AM (#6142730)
First- Schilling has already himself asked NOT to be considered for the Hall anymore (good. request granted).


I think that request was directed at the writers. I don't think he's extended it to the Veteran's committee, though they didn't seem very interested in his candidacy either. That's not surprising, I suppose. They knew him.

Steve Carlton also had some, er, interesting political opinions, but nobody's saying he shouldn't be in the Hall.


I think Lefty was wise enough to keep them to himself until after he got enshrined. Before that, he rarely spoke at all.
   43. Tony S Posted: September 29, 2023 at 11:03 AM (#6142732)
Here's an interesting question -- is Schilling more or less deserving of a HoF plaque than Dick Allen?

I haven't thought this through. I don't know, myself.
   44. SoSH U at work Posted: September 29, 2023 at 11:09 AM (#6142733)
Based on playing record, he's more. Allen is closer to the borderline.
   45. JJ1986 Posted: September 29, 2023 at 12:54 PM (#6142741)
WHy cant he just say "Ok jewish people seem to put a higher percentage of people in professional jobs and why is that?
WHAT THE EVERLOVING ####? What do you you think the purpose behind this question would be?
   46. JJ1986 Posted: September 29, 2023 at 12:59 PM (#6142742)
And they are one of the smallest minority groups at least in this country. Do they trigger emotions simply because they are successful?
How many history classes did you miss?
   47. JL72 Posted: September 29, 2023 at 01:40 PM (#6142744)
This does not surprise me, but admittedly, it's the type of thing that thousands, even millions of people would blurt out without a shred of respect for other people's privacy.


As noted above, this Schilling's podcast. But that also means it wasn't some split second decision blurted out in an on-air interview. He made the statement, then went back for editing. Then made the decision to post the podcast.

He intentionally made the decision to make this public without any consideration of the Wakefield's feelings.
   48. The Duke Posted: September 29, 2023 at 04:32 PM (#6142759)
38. Well the Supreme Court just today took that very specific question you raised. Effectively, do super large platforms have to follow the first amendment or can they exclude whatever speech they want (like newspapers) and whether states can force them to stop censoring speech. There are two circuits split on the issue of whether the twitters and facebooks of the world can suppress undesirable speech (to them). They will also likely end up with the case that claims the govt is censoring speech and whether they can deploy censors to convince platforms into taking down content they don't like (ie all the vaccine stuff).

Next year will be a momentous year for the 1st amendment

Super unclear as to where this will land.
   49. bob gee Posted: September 29, 2023 at 04:41 PM (#6142761)
Schilling or Jack Morris? I think Schilling deserves it more than Morris.

   50. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: September 29, 2023 at 05:07 PM (#6142762)
Regardless of the merits of the court cases, it's quite the stretch to argue that an "exclusive platform" such as a HOF speech/ceremony as referred to in 38 is a quasi-public space like the internet platforms at issue in the cases.

(And if it is, I want to make a speech too. Why is my speech being suppressed?)
   51. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: September 29, 2023 at 06:02 PM (#6142774)
I think Schill should get a Plaque. And the Plague.
   52. base ball chick Posted: September 29, 2023 at 08:43 PM (#6142795)
31. SoSH U at work Posted: September 29, 2023 at 12:41 AM (#6142700)

I'm just mocking those Schilling defenders here who claim that his exclusion from the Hall is just based on "politics," rather than the fact that he's just a horrible person, as he's these latest incidents tell us


- well 6 of on half a dozen t other

i don't guess you hear people of the other political persuasion pimping creeps on twitter whining about Those Jews

but i think all yall know that i don't agree that being a complete buttmunch or accused buttmunch should keep a ballplayer out of the Hall. and if schilling wants to get up there and repeat one of hitlers/jefferson davis' speeches word for word, well, then he can have a go at it

and all them old timers n the veterans committee i bet agree with every dammm word of it. they all right wingers too, just ain't made a post ballplaying career of putting foot in mouth all the way up to the butthole

   53. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 29, 2023 at 09:15 PM (#6142800)
If you are calling Jewish people a small minority, then it's pretty safe to say that everyone is a minority. This is the problem with this "deep" conversation is that it's incorrectly starts a classification wrong. If the standard is Jewish = minority, then everyone is a minority. Lumping all Christian sects into one to create a "majority" is utterly ridiculous, you have to break it down to different groupings, because Lutherans and Southern Baptist and Catholic etc are all different. By this logic, there is no majority, so complaining about a minority having influence is just idiotic on the face of it.


So Judaism only comes in one flavor while Christianity comes in 3i? Or is it 57 Varieties?

Also: Catholics = 23%
   54. SoSH U at work Posted: September 29, 2023 at 09:40 PM (#6142806)
and all them old timers n the veterans committee i bet agree with every dammm word of it. they all right wingers too, just ain't made a post ballplaying career of putting foot in mouth all the way up to the butthole


And revealing a former teammate's cancer diagnosis is not a right wing/left wing thing. It's an ####### thing.

Schilling is obviously a hard right winger, more so now than when he played. But so is John Smoltz and any number of other guys who are in the Hall. Schilling's not being kept out because of his politics, as the Clappers and RMcs often complain. He's out because of #### like this.

Should it matter? I don't know. I'm not one of those guys who thinks that nothing matters except what he did on the playing field. Whether just being a spectacular ####### is enough to keep him out, I can't say, though I'm sure as hell not losing any sleep over his plight.

   55. Howie Menckel Posted: September 29, 2023 at 09:54 PM (#6142807)
he's objectively qualified to be in the HOF already, on several fronts.

but yeah, he's not exactly a main HOF candidacy hill I'd be willing to die on.

First Amendment protects the government from going after him, and that's a good thing.

but speech, can and does, have other consequences and there's nothing wrong with that, either.

it's clear that Schilling does not have an "adult in the room" in terms of his podcast.

I did a weekly one for four years, and learned quickly that basically there are no "do-overs" because 'authenticity' apparently is so desired by podcast listeners (full disclosure: I still am not one). they don't want an airbrushed product. or something.

but if I ever stepped over an ethical line like this, that would be the rare snipping of the show before it posts (unless he does it live, which would be dumb on his part, but....)
   56. baxter Posted: September 29, 2023 at 09:55 PM (#6142808)
36/38. You seem like a pretty intelligent poster Mr. Duke. As 38 points out, it's not a restriction on free speech if it's done by a PRIVATE person, as opposed the government.

Mr. S can say all he wants, I am a free to ignore, disparage or boycott (yes, money is speech) him. That's all speech, too.

Mr. S' various and sundry opinions for all I know (and I admit knowing very little) may be shared by a variety of people who do not feel the need to garner attention by posting them for all the world to enjoy (or ignore).

Tony S makes a very interesting point (at least to me) in describing S as a martyr. I am not even lousy amateur psychologist, but did S do this stuff while he was playing? I forget b/c I did not pay attention to him, other than he was on the diamond (where his performance was frequently spectacular and HOF worthy). Interesting also if the bloody sock were fake, but who can begrudge some gamesmanship? The Say Hey Kid, I think, wore smaller sized hats so he could run out from underneath him. Mr. S may miss the attention. I assume he will not read my piddling post here; it was not my goal to provide Mr. S with the attention he craves. See, I fell into Mr. S' masterfully laid trap.

Now, I don't believe that putting people in prison accomplishes much. Yet in this country when there is much debate about the shoplifting problem (although losses have been a constant % of revenue for years), putting Mr. S and his cohorts in prison for what happened in R.I. would not offend my imbalance sense of justice. But if you steal a few hundred buck prison, steal a few million, they name a building after you.
   57. SoSH U at work Posted: September 29, 2023 at 10:29 PM (#6142812)
I am not even lousy amateur psychologist, but did S do this stuff while he was playing? I forget b/c I did not pay attention to him, other than he was on the diamond (where his performance was frequently spectacular and HOF worthy)


He was always opinionated. He was a big Bush supporter, which rankled some and pleased others. But he was just a generic conservative Republican, no different than hundreds of others ballplayers.

He also was capable of producing really interesting things (his 38 Blog was often really insightful).

After his gaming company went kaput, taking both a bunch $75 million from RI taxpayers and a bunch of Schilling's earnings, he really seemed to move into this hard right MAGA thing, while making particularly odious statements to troll the other side.
   58. The Duke Posted: September 29, 2023 at 11:02 PM (#6142816)
56. One of the questions is, have the social media companies become part of the public square and subject to 1st amendment and some of the discussion will be around the various rules that social media companies take advantage of which makes them quasi- public entities and subject to first amendment.

When you run a local newspaper and decide what things to print and not print you are correct. Twitter is where everyone in the world talks to one another about all topics. Is that different ? We will find out.

I have no idea how it will play out.
   59. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 30, 2023 at 12:18 AM (#6142820)
If the power of prayer was actually powerful, it would be trivial to show it working in a simple scientific study, but it regularly fails. So either Gid doesn’t care about your prayers or she doesn’t exist.
   60. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 30, 2023 at 02:29 AM (#6142822)
To the couple of folk wondering why Schill didn't ask a more reasonable question ...

the question is why the #### (other than being a ####### Nqzi himself) he's doing following a raving anti-Semite. Look at Gage's feed and tell me I'm wrong.
   61. Tony S Posted: September 30, 2023 at 08:23 AM (#6142826)
Tony S makes a very interesting point (at least to me) in describing S as a martyr.



To clarify, I didn't quite say he IS a martyr; it's more that he desperately wants to be perceived as one. And he is, by a certain crowd.

It's also about soothing his fragile ego. "They didn't reject me; I rejected them."

Being an arsehole (or being perceived as one) WILL damage your HoF candidacy. Happened with Dick Allen. Happened with Maury Wills. It's the main reason Gary Sheffield's roiding is held against him while David Ortiz' is handwaved away. If Lenny Dykstra had had a HoF-caliber career, he'd be running into the same roadblocks.

   62. Tony S Posted: September 30, 2023 at 08:49 AM (#6142829)
Also consider Bert Blyleven. He had to wait 14 years to get in, and it wasn't *just* because his performance was underappreciated by an old-school voting group.

Blyleven, throughout most of his career, was perceived as self-serving and immature. Chuck Tanner nicknamed him "Cryleven". I mean, if you can't get along with Chuck Tanner...

He cleaned up his image and is well-liked and well-respected today. But if he had been Harold Baines or Dale Murphy while he was playing, he probably would have gotten his plaque a lot earlier than he did.
   63. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: September 30, 2023 at 09:54 AM (#6142832)
OK, then why did Jim Kaat wait so long? Everyone loved him, and his superficial record is pretty much the same as Blyleven's, with the same problem of very long career but very few big seasons.
   64. The Duke Posted: September 30, 2023 at 10:15 AM (#6142836)
The Hall is used to guys not getting in now. I don't think it bothers either the writers or the insiders. For a long time it was just Shoeless Joe and Rose. Now it's guys with PED problems, jerks like Vizquel and Schilling. There's not a lot of pressure to end the issue anymore even for obvious candidates like Schilling.
   65. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: September 30, 2023 at 11:11 AM (#6142840)
Schilling has a much more solid baseball case than Puckett, though he'd still be in the lower half (probably lower third) of HoF starting pitchers.


Really? How so? His 80 pitching WAR is comparable to Jenkins, Gibson, Mussina and Robin Roberts. And that wasn't amassed with a lot of hang around time. His 53 WAA is solidly ahead of all those guys. He's currently smack in-between Verlander and Kershaw, both of whom would sail in on the first ballot if they were hit by a bus tomorrow.
   66. Mr. Hotfoot Jackson (gef, talking mongoose) Posted: September 30, 2023 at 01:00 PM (#6142851)
Looks like Wade Boggs did the same thing, though he apologized.
   67. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 30, 2023 at 03:04 PM (#6142868)
Schilling and his critics seem to want to make every story all about him, even when it’s about someone else having cancer. I’m not going to be one of those people so I’ll just say I hope Wakefield and his wife make a full recovery.
   68. baxter Posted: October 01, 2023 at 02:57 PM (#6143007)
Just released Mr. Wakefield passed away
   69. Mr. Hotfoot Jackson (gef, talking mongoose) Posted: October 01, 2023 at 02:59 PM (#6143008)
Dammit.

(I find myself morbidly curious as to whether any other MLB veterans died on the last day of the regular season.)
   70. base ball chick Posted: October 01, 2023 at 03:40 PM (#6143014)
RIP tim

and sympathies to his wife

   71. karlmagnus Posted: October 01, 2023 at 03:47 PM (#6143015)
RIP, my favorite Red Sox -- watched almost all his incredible run in 1995, and was inspired by it at a very difficult time.

Should be in the Hall of Fame -- 200 wins as a knuckleballer looks increasingly like a record that will never be matched.
   72. Howie Menckel Posted: October 01, 2023 at 05:18 PM (#6143032)
my buddy and I drove up to a game at Fenway Park many years ago.

we sat in the RF bleachers, and the sun made the field mostly invisible. I told my pal that Wakefield would pitch a no-hitter.

I believe he got 20 outs before the first hit, but maybe it was only 17. still, a very fun day.

RIP and thanks for the memories.
   73. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 01, 2023 at 05:49 PM (#6143036)
One of the few Red Sox I rooted for. Just a fun player to watch.

R.I.P.
   74. SoSH U at work Posted: October 01, 2023 at 06:34 PM (#6143048)
As with km, he was my favorite Sox player.

RIP Tim.
   75. plink Posted: October 01, 2023 at 07:19 PM (#6143052)
Still the only baseball jersey I've ever owned. RIP Wake.
   76. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 01, 2023 at 07:39 PM (#6143054)
Should be in the Hall of Fame -- 200 wins as a knuckleballer looks increasingly like a record that will never be matched.

OTOH it might be the only way someone gets to 200 wins going forward — sticking around until their mid-40s as a knuckleballer.

But even though we talk about that path a lot, few guys have been able to do it and nobody has done it as well as Wakefield since (some guys, like Dickey, had a few great years). RIP.
   77. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: October 01, 2023 at 10:58 PM (#6143071)
Should be in the Hall of Fame -- 200 wins as a knuckleballer looks increasingly like a record that will never be matched.


Am I missing something? Were the Niekros not knuckleballers?
   78. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 01, 2023 at 11:08 PM (#6143072)
I assume he just meant never again.

Which, either Wainwright or Cole might well go down in history as the last 200 game winner of any pitch selection, at the rate things are going. And the knuckleball is all but extinct now. R.A. Dickey was the last full time knuckleballer to have a substantial career, and he retired six years ago.
   79. Gary Truth Serum Posted: October 01, 2023 at 11:12 PM (#6143073)
(I find myself morbidly curious as to whether any other MLB veterans died on the last day of the regular season.)

The closest I can think of, which is not that close, was WGN Cubs producer Arne Harris dying in 2001 shortly before the season finale against the Pirates. Since Arne was a frequently mentioned by Harry Caray during Cubs games throughout the 80s and 90s, the WGN telecast that day understandably talked as much about Arne as they did about the game.

my buddy and I drove up to a game at Fenway Park many years ago.

we sat in the RF bleachers, and the sun made the field mostly invisible. I told my pal that Wakefield would pitch a no-hitter.

I think I was at that game--it sounds like this one. But now that I check Tino Martinez got a single in the second inning. Even so, the circumstances sound really familiar.

It was just one of those 10 inning complete game wins where the starter allows a run in the tenth. Those happen all the time nowadays.
   80. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: October 01, 2023 at 11:37 PM (#6143076)
I assume he just meant never again.


I suppose. It's odd phrasing. I wasn't trying to be a wise guy. I was wondering if it was some sort of catch, like the Niekros threw other pitches on occasion but Wakefield didn't. Or they didn't start throwing the knucklers until later in their careers and didn't win 200 games with the pitch.
   81. Cris E Posted: October 02, 2023 at 11:19 AM (#6143106)
The Twins minor league pitcher of the year this season is Cory Lewis, who has a knuckler as his fourth pitch. He's not close to throwing it exclusively, but how many other guys have a 50 grade knuckleball on MLB.com?

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/twins/cory-lewis-675375
   82. karlmagnus Posted: October 02, 2023 at 01:11 PM (#6143124)
Sorry, 78 and 80, I did indeed mean "never again." I am alas old enough to remember the Niekros and indeed Hoyt Wilhelm (who was mostly a reliever.)

But knuckleballers have disappeared (hopefully temporarily) and 200 game winners are becoming very scarce (Rick Porcello was the last non-elite pitcher to be well on the trajectory, with 151 wins at age 30). I think Wake's achievement looks more special than it did in 2011, when he got there.
   83. Mr. Hotfoot Jackson (gef, talking mongoose) Posted: October 02, 2023 at 01:28 PM (#6143131)
   84. baxter Posted: October 02, 2023 at 11:10 PM (#6143251)
Nice story on Mr. W by John Tomase, even has a Marciano reference:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/irascible-lovable-tim-wakefield-behind-161031758.html

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